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Colt to bolt
dheffley
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So after 175 years in Connecticut, they will leave because of the anti's. Sad.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/21/colt-ceo-says-no-definite-plans-to-stay-or-flee-connecticut-amid-gun/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/21/colt-ceo-says-no-definite-plans-to-stay-or-flee-connecticut-amid-gun/
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What gun-friendly state wouldn't love to have Colt?
I hope they come to Texas. We would love to have them.
It's gonna take the Big Boys getting involved to swing the absurd legislation we're having to deal with...
Away from total annihilation of the 2 Amendment!!!
Although I hate the upheaval it will create for the local economies in CT...
All I can say is GREAT!!! And about Damn Time!
Let the anti-gun states go the route they've set into place...
Anyone involved in American Freedom should pull up stakes and get out...
Leaving nothing but criminals and crime in their wake and for the state to deal with.
This just might wake up the anti-gun crowds... Who knows.
Nowhere does it say they are 'bolting.'
They should have left the US in 1994. Or 1986. Or 1968. Or 1934.
Where could they have gone to avoid those federal laws ?
Colt has had decades of trouble with its labor union......Pulling out of Conn. under the cover of "hostile political climate" sounds much better in the press than pulling out because of labor costs.
Don't forget Colt recently purchased facilities in Fla.
MAGPUL is in the process of leaving now that the Gov in CO signed the bill into law.
Lets make it hurt for these states that want to play big boy ball.
Colt's CEO may be in a better position than he's admitting.
Colt has had decades of trouble with its labor union......Pulling out of Conn. under the cover of "hostile political climate" sounds much better in the press than pulling out because of labor costs.
Don't forget Colt recently purchased facilities in Fla.
Just what are these "union" problems you speak of? I havent found a thing about it......
This just might wake up the anti-gun crowds... Who knows.
Doubt it would even register with the fools.
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Colt's CEO may be in a better position than he's admitting.
Colt has had decades of trouble with its labor union......Pulling out of Conn. under the cover of "hostile political climate" sounds much better in the press than pulling out because of labor costs.
Don't forget Colt recently purchased facilities in Fla.
Just what are these "union" problems you speak of? I havent found a thing about it......
Was pretty easy to find
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/nyregion/colt-told-to-rehire-800-strikers-back-pay-is-to-be-in-millions.html
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Colt's CEO may be in a better position than he's admitting.
Colt has had decades of trouble with its labor union......Pulling out of Conn. under the cover of "hostile political climate" sounds much better in the press than pulling out because of labor costs.
Don't forget Colt recently purchased facilities in Fla.
Just what are these "union" problems you speak of? I havent found a thing about it......
Was pretty easy to find
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/nyregion/colt-told-to-rehire-800-strikers-back-pay-is-to-be-in-millions.html
LOL...thats from 1989..and there have been no problems since....no...if they move, it will be because of the anti-gun laws, and I dont blame them....they enjoy good relations with the union now...
Dont blame the workers....everyone of them is pro gun....they are on our side.
Just what are these "union" problems you speak of? I havent found a thing about it......
Then you obviously ain't looking.....
LOL...thats from 1989..and there have been no problems since....no...if they move, it will be because of the anti-gun laws, and I dont blame them....they enjoy good relations with the union now...
They obviously purchased facilities in Florida in 2011 because of the sunny relations with the union
http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-12/business/hc-colt-florida-plant-20111212_1_hometown-plant-uaw-hulking-plant
Colt recently lost a major bid to revamp the M-4 carbine, a loss largely blamed on labor costs (The winner, FN Herstal, manufacturers out of "right to work" South Carolina)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unions-help-foreign-company-land-220622507.html
quote:Originally posted by the middle
LOL...thats from 1989..and there have been no problems since....no...if they move, it will be because of the anti-gun laws, and I dont blame them....they enjoy good relations with the union now...
They obviously purchased facilities in Florida in 2011 because of the sunny relations with the union
http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-12/business/hc-colt-florida-plant-20111212_1_hometown-plant-uaw-hulking-plant
Colt recently lost a major bid to revamp the M-4 carbine, a loss largely blamed on labor costs (The winner, FN Herstal, manufacturers out of "right to work" South Carolina)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unions-help-foreign-company-land-220622507.html
That one article dated Dec 2011 commented that the then current Union Contract would expire in three months...
That would have been March 2012...
And here it is March 2013... I suspect that the companies comments recently tie in to a current union contract
that expires this month... Perfect timing in that it would ALSO coincide with current legislation in CT.
Yep... I say it involves the Union as much as if not more so than the current legislation...
quote:Originally posted by savage170
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Colt's CEO may be in a better position than he's admitting.
Colt has had decades of trouble with its labor union......Pulling out of Conn. under the cover of "hostile political climate" sounds much better in the press than pulling out because of labor costs.
Don't forget Colt recently purchased facilities in Fla.
Just what are these "union" problems you speak of? I havent found a thing about it......
Was pretty easy to find
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/nyregion/colt-told-to-rehire-800-strikers-back-pay-is-to-be-in-millions.html
LOL...thats from 1989..and there have been no problems since....no...if they move, it will be because of the anti-gun laws, and I dont blame them....they enjoy good relations with the union now...
Dont blame the workers....everyone of them is pro gun....they are on our side.
Looks pretty ongoing to me and I haven't spent a min on research time yet pretty easy stuff to find
http://articles.courant.com/2004-04-02/business/0404020226_1_colt-s-west-hartford-union-workers-second-shift-workers
So..when they move to a slave...err I mean a right to work state, and pay lower wages...do you think their guns will carry a lower price tag? I think...NO...
You also seem to champion "low wage states" like they are a good thing.....boy are you clueless....that is the very thing wrong with this country....its become a wage race to the bottom......
But you think its good......OK..
Id also like to add.....Colts are some of the best made guns out there...made by generations of proud craftsman...who are very pro gun.....and you think that can just be replaced overnight by slaves..err I mean "right to work" (for less) labor? I think...if they move, they will have a sudden and drastic drop in QC...and will take them quite a while to get back up to speed....if they ever do....
I wouldn't bet on a large percentage of those folks uprooting and relocating in a completely different part of the country.
Could move in next to Walther and Umarex
Or up the road by Wilson and Nighthawk
No unions and ProGun
[:D]
Colt has been CT for almost 200 yrs..Thats a LOT of history
What gun-friendly state wouldn't love to have Colt?
Specially one like that one[;)]
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
FNH has been in Columbia SC for years. Laws are very gun friendly in SC.. Boeing recently located here. Biggest challenge imho would be to attract SKILLED labor..
Colt has been CT for almost 200 yrs..Thats a LOT of history
You made my point...skilled labor is hard to find.......good labor isnt.
FNH makes fine guns, but they aint Colt.....Colts need SKILLED labor, and SKILLED labor wants payed...and payed more than the average slave...err "right to work" wage...
Colt seems to forget that..that why they unionized in the first place..If Colt would play level with the work force...Im sure the Union would get voted out, and all would be well....but that doesnt seem to be the case.
Does anyone really think Colt would give a price break for the "savings" they would get from slave...err "right to work" labor prices....or would you just be paying the same for a less well made gun.....? They wouldnt.....you would be paying the same, or more (gotta cover those moving expenses) for junk.
There are none now.
They need machinists and CNC operators.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
What gun-friendly state wouldn't love to have Colt?
I hope they come to Texas. We would love to have them.
+1
Explain to me exactly which firearm Colt makes now that requires a fine craftsman.
There are none now.
They need machinists and CNC operators.
They should have left the US in 1994. Or 1986. Or 1968. Or 1934.
Leave the U.S.? They are as American as apple pie.
Arizona would be best I think. The greater Phoenix region.
Lots of industrial buildings to pick from, lots of industrial land to build upon.
Not much for union labor here.
Our politicians will practically give away their First Born Taxpayer to attract them. Heck, I know a few who would physically kiss their as_ feet if they'd bring more gun making to Arizona.
Shoot, we already made their Peacemaker our Official State Gun.
Arizona is more 2nd Amendment Friendly than Texas!
You beat me to it. Exactly right, In modern manufacturing there is very little hand fitted craftmanship involved.quote:Originally posted by cpermd
Explain to me exactly which firearm Colt makes now that requires a fine craftsman.
There are none now.
They need machinists and CNC operators.
BEAT ME to it also..mass produced doesnt need craftsemen
Chris--l know Ruger moved to AZ a few yrs back and seem to be doing well.. Are their back east plants still open [?][?]
http://www.ruger.com/corporate/directory.html
Chris--l know Ruger moved to AZ a few yrs back and seem to be doing well.. Are their back east plants still open [?][?]
Yes, all Ruger's plants are still going strong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm,_Ruger_&_Co.
http://www.ruger.com/corporate/directory.html
Colt's employees made it shown they were afraid of loosing their jobs and left. Not one that I'm aware of stayed to give testimony, well the Union Rep did. I spoke to about 10 Colt employees and all of them said they hoped "we" would win, they were fearful of losing their job but not one mentioned loss of Rights though I'm sure some that were there did share that concern.
Contrary to one foolish comment above there is a lot of talented people at Colt (and a lot of other talent elsewhere around here). It appeared that most of these guys are mid 50's and up, closer to retiring and Colt will be looking to fill a lot of jobs in coming years whether they move or not. This while the younger folks around here admittedly do not have a large pool of relevant skilled labor to pull from.
Colt is working with the Governor behind the scenes for what is best for Colt. They don't care about employees unless it would hurt the company and they don't care about our Rights. For some time now their main focus has been military and law enforcement anyway and I'm sure they'd be happy just running with that if they could get guarantees. Watch out if they come to area. Back in the early 90's Colt sold out part of the company to a State Pension Fund and declared bankruptcy about a year later. A bunch of State workers lost their pensions in this debacle including one family member of mine.