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Global Warming-Need Answers
RogueStatesman
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Don't call me stupid, but I'm puzzled-and confused-at this whole 'global warming' Crap.
Can somebody tell me how some scientists have determined that the earth's overall average temperature has increased a degree or two in the last hundred years or so? We live on a HUGE planet, so how do we know that the records which have been kept are TOTALLY Accurate? Furthermore, how do we know the thermometers used were EXACT and Correct? HOW DO WE KNOW?
Think about THIS ... to get a accurate, usable temperature average, a person would've had to put thermometers on every square mile of earth's surface, monitor them from the earth's formation, record each thermometer's temperature for every minute of the day and night. All those thermometers would have to be in place even until this very moment. Each and every temperature would have to be calculated to determine the earth's heating/cooling patterns over the planet's history. Then and only then, could a mean temperature average be established to verify if the world was getting hotter/cooler. Correct me if I'm wrong!
And I hear talk of the polar caps melting. But I also hear that other areas of both the artic and anartic are growing in size; more ice-gotta be colder. How does that happen if the earth is getting hotter? Hell, some scientist are predicting a Global Cooling. Doesn't seem possible if the earth is getting hotter?
And how does the select scientific community along with one loser POTUS candidate decide that the earth is coming to an end, based on a possible couple of degrees difference (like they could really actually tell)? And why won't the Honorable VP (I say Honorable very recklessly!) just once, debate the issue with the Global Warming non-believers. The way it looks to me, Gore doesn't have a case, so he refuses to face facts. Thats what it looks like to me.
I'm just asking, but one would be out of his/her crazy mind believing that another human being could predict, merely by studying only a few years history and a very limited number of facts, that this planet is headed toward a global, self-imposed Bar BQ. The earth has been around anywhere from 7000 to millions of years, and decendants of all the basic types of plants and animals are still living!! Looks like we would have all burned up at some point in time before now, don't you think?
I don't know, maybe I've missed something somewhere along the climate-changing trail.
Somebody help me ... I'm in a confused, 'Baffled by B%&& $h!+' state of mind trying to figure out this farse of a panic!! It appears to me that we're all being SNOWED!!
Can somebody convince me that we're not!!
Can somebody tell me how some scientists have determined that the earth's overall average temperature has increased a degree or two in the last hundred years or so? We live on a HUGE planet, so how do we know that the records which have been kept are TOTALLY Accurate? Furthermore, how do we know the thermometers used were EXACT and Correct? HOW DO WE KNOW?
Think about THIS ... to get a accurate, usable temperature average, a person would've had to put thermometers on every square mile of earth's surface, monitor them from the earth's formation, record each thermometer's temperature for every minute of the day and night. All those thermometers would have to be in place even until this very moment. Each and every temperature would have to be calculated to determine the earth's heating/cooling patterns over the planet's history. Then and only then, could a mean temperature average be established to verify if the world was getting hotter/cooler. Correct me if I'm wrong!
And I hear talk of the polar caps melting. But I also hear that other areas of both the artic and anartic are growing in size; more ice-gotta be colder. How does that happen if the earth is getting hotter? Hell, some scientist are predicting a Global Cooling. Doesn't seem possible if the earth is getting hotter?
And how does the select scientific community along with one loser POTUS candidate decide that the earth is coming to an end, based on a possible couple of degrees difference (like they could really actually tell)? And why won't the Honorable VP (I say Honorable very recklessly!) just once, debate the issue with the Global Warming non-believers. The way it looks to me, Gore doesn't have a case, so he refuses to face facts. Thats what it looks like to me.
I'm just asking, but one would be out of his/her crazy mind believing that another human being could predict, merely by studying only a few years history and a very limited number of facts, that this planet is headed toward a global, self-imposed Bar BQ. The earth has been around anywhere from 7000 to millions of years, and decendants of all the basic types of plants and animals are still living!! Looks like we would have all burned up at some point in time before now, don't you think?
I don't know, maybe I've missed something somewhere along the climate-changing trail.
Somebody help me ... I'm in a confused, 'Baffled by B%&& $h!+' state of mind trying to figure out this farse of a panic!! It appears to me that we're all being SNOWED!!
Can somebody convince me that we're not!!
Comments
Or did I miss something?
John Coleman founded and was CEO and President of The Weather Channel. I believe he has an idea what he's talking about.
John Coleman's Comments Before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce
Global Warming and the Price of a Gallon of Gas
by John Coleman (the founder of The Weather Channel)
You may want to give credit where credit is due to Al Gore and his global warming campaign the next time you fill your car with gasoline, because there is a direct connection between Global Warming and four dollar a gallon gas. It is shocking, but true, to learn that the entire Global Warming frenzy is based on the environmentalist's attack on fossil fuels, particularly gasoline. All this big time science, international meetings, thick research papers, dire threats for the future; all of it, comes down to their claim that the carbon dioxide in the exhaust from your car and in the smoke stacks from our power plants is destroying the climate of planet Earth. What an amazing fraud; what a scam.
The future of our civilization lies in the balance.
That's the battle cry of the High Priest of Global Warming Al Gore and his fellow, agenda driven disciples as they predict a calamitous outcome from anthropogenic global warming. According to Mr. Gore the polar ice caps will collapse and melt and sea levels will rise 20 feet inundating the coastal cities making 100 million of us refugees. Vice President Gore tells us numerous Pacific islands will be totally submerged and uninhabitable. He tells us global warming will disrupt the circulation of the ocean waters, dramatically changing climates, throwing the world food supply into chaos. He tells us global warming will turn hurricanes into super storms, produce droughts, wipe out the polar bears and result in bleaching of coral reefs. He tells us tropical diseases will spread to mid latitudes and heat waves will kill tens of thousands. He preaches to us that we must change our lives and eliminate fossil fuels or face the dire consequences. The future of our civilization is in the balance.
With a preacher's zeal, Mr. Gore sets out to strike terror into us and our children and make us feel we are all complicit in the potential demise of the planet.
Here is my rebuttal.
There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind's activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.
Through all history, Earth has shifted between two basic climate regimes: ice ages and what paleoclimatologists call "Interglacial periods". For the past 10 thousand years the Earth has been in an interglacial period. That might well be called nature's global warming because what happens during an interglacial period is the Earth warms up, the glaciers melt and life flourishes. Clearly from our point of view, an interglacial period is greatly preferred to the deadly rigors of an ice age. Mr. Gore and his crowd would have us believe that the activities of man have overwhelmed nature during this interglacial period and are producing an unprecedented, out of control warming.
Well, it is simply not happening. Worldwide there was a significant natural warming trend in the 1980's and 1990's as a Solar cycle peaked with lots of sunspots and solar flares. That ended in 1998 and now the Sun has gone quiet with fewer and fewer Sun spots, and the global temperatures have gone into decline. Earth has cooled for almost ten straight years. So, I ask Al Gore, where's the global warming?
The cooling trend is so strong that recently the head of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to acknowledge it. He speculated that nature has temporarily overwhelmed mankind's warming and it may be ten years or so before the warming returns. Oh, really. We are supposed to be in a panic about man-made global warming and the whole thing takes a ten year break because of the lack of Sun spots. If this weren't so serious, it would be laughable.
Now allow me to talk a little about the science behind the global warming frenzy. I have dug through thousands of pages of research papers, including the voluminous documents published by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I have worked my way through complicated math and complex theories. Here's the bottom line: the entire global warming scientific case is based on the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the use of fossil fuels. They don't have any other issue. Carbon Dioxide, that's it.
Hello Al Gore; Hello UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Your science is flawed; your hypothesis is wrong; your data is manipulated. And, may I add, your scare tactics are deplorable. The Earth does not have a fever. Carbon dioxide does not cause significant global warming.
The focus on atmospheric carbon dioxide grew out a study by Roger Revelle who was an esteemed scientist at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute. He took his research with him when he moved to Harvard and allowed his students to help him process the data for his paper. One of those students was Al Gore. That is where Gore got caught up in this global warming frenzy. Revelle's paper linked the increases in carbon dioxide, CO2, in the atmosphere with warming. It labeled CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
Charles Keeling, another researcher at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute, set up a system to make continuous CO2 measurements. His graph of these increases has now become known as the Keeling Curve. When Charles Keeling died in 2005, his son David, also at Scripps, took over the measurements. Here is what the Keeling curve shows: an increase in CO2 from 315 parts per million in 1958 to 385 parts per million today, an increase of 70 parts per million or about 20 percent.
All the computer models, all of the other findings, all of the other angles of study, all come back to and are based on CO2 as a significant greenhouse gas. It is not.
Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. It has been there since time began. It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans. It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis. Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it. Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.
Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere. Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand. That makes it a trace component. Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can't. That's all there is to it; it can't.
The UN IPCC has attracted billions of dollars for the research to try to make the case that CO2 is the culprit of run-away, man-made global warming. The scientists have come up with very complex creative theories and done elaborate calculations and run computer models they say prove those theories. They present us with a concept they call radiative forcing. The research organizations and scientists who are making a career out of this theory, keep cranking out the research papers. Then the IPCC puts on big conferences at exotic places, such as the recent conference in Bali. The scientists endorse each other's papers, they are summarized and voted on, and viola, we are told global warming is going to kill us all unless we stop burning fossil fuels.
May I stop here for a few historical notes? First, the internal combustion engine and gasoline were awful polluters when they were first invented. And, both gasoline and automobile engines continued to leave a layer of smog behind right up through the 1960's. Then science and engineering came to the environmental rescue. Better exhaust and ignition systems, catalytic converters, fuel injectors, better engineering throughout the engine and reformulated gasoline have all contributed to a huge reduction in the exhaust emissions from today's cars. Their goal then was to only exhaust carbon dioxide and water vapor, two gases widely accepted as natural and totally harmless. Anyone old enough to remember the pall of smog that used to hang over all our cities knows how much improvement there has been. So the environmentalists, in their battle against fossil fuels and automobiles had a very good point forty years ago, but now they have to focus almost entirely on the once harmless carbon dioxide. And, that is the rub. Carbon dioxide is not an environmental problem; they just want you now to think it is.
Numerous independent research projects have been done about the greenhouse impact from increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. These studies have proven to my total satisfaction that CO2 is not creating a major greenhouse effect and is not causing an increase in temperatures. By the way, before his death, Roger Revelle coauthored a paper cautioning that CO2 and its greenhouse effect did not warrant extreme countermeasures.
So now it has come down to an intense campaign, orchestrated by environmentalists claiming that the burning of fossil fuels dooms the planet to run-away global warming. Ladies and Gentlemen, that is a myth.
So how has the entire global warming frenzy with all its predictions of dire consequences, become so widely believed, accepted and regarded as a real threat to planet Earth? That is the most amazing part of the story.
To start with global warming has the backing of the United Nations, a major world force. Second, it has the backing of a former Vice President and very popular political figure. Third it has the endorsement of Hollywood, and that's enough for millions. And, fourth, the environmentalists love global warming. It is their tool to combat fossil fuels. So with the environmentalists, the UN, Gore and Hollywood touting Global Warming and predictions of doom and gloom, the media has scrambled with excitement to climb aboard. After all the media loves a crisis. From YK2 to killer bees the media just loves to tell us our lives are threatened. And the media is biased toward liberal, so it's pre-programmed to support Al Gore and UN. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The LA Times, The Washington Post, the Associated Press and here in San Diego The Union Tribune are all constantly promoting the global warming crisis.
So who is going to go against all of that power? Not the politicians. So now the President of the United States, just about every Governor, most Senators and most Congress people, both of the major current candidates for President, most other elected officials on all levels of government are all riding the Al Gore Global Warming express. That is one crowded bus.
I suspect you haven't heard it because the mass media did not report it, but I am not alone on the no man-made warming side of this issue. On May 20th, a list of the names of over thirty-one thousand scientists who refute global warming was released. Thirty-one thousand of which 9,000 are Ph.ds. Think about that. Thirty-one thousand. That dwarfs the supposed 2,500 scientists on the UN panel. In the past year, five hundred of scientists have issued public statements challenging global warming. A few more join the chorus every week. There are about 100 defectors from the UN IPCC. There was an International Conference of Climate Change Skeptics in New York in March of this year. One hundred of us gave presentations. Attendance was limited to six hundred people. Every seat was taken. There are a half dozen excellent internet sites that debunk global warming. And, thank goodness for KUSI and Michael McKinnon, its owner. He allows me to post my comments on global warming on the website KUSI.com. Following the publicity of my position form Fox News, Glen Beck on CNN, Rush Limbaugh and a host of other interviews, thousands of people come to the website and read my comments. I get hundreds of supportive emails from them. No I am not alone and the debate is not over.
In my remarks in New York I speculated that perhaps we should sue Al Gore for fraud because of his carbon credits trading scheme. That remark has caused a stir in the fringe media and on the internet. The concept is that if the media won't give us a hearing and the other side will not debate us, perhaps we could use a Court of law to present our papers and our research and if the Judge is unbiased and understands science, we win. The media couldn't ignore that. That idea has become the basis for legal research by notable attorneys and discussion among global warming debunkers, but it's a long way from the Court room.
I am very serious about this issue. I think stamping out the global warming scam is vital to saving our wonderful way of life.
The battle against fossil fuels has controlled policy in this country for decades. It was the environmentalist's prime force in blocking any drilling for oil in this country and the blocking the building of any new refineries, as well. So now the shortage they created has sent gasoline prices soaring. And, it has lead to the folly of ethanol, which is also partly behind the fuel price increases; that and our restricted oil policy. The ethanol folly is also creating a food crisis throughput the world - it is behind the food price rises for all the grains, for cereals, bread, everything that relies on corn or soy or wheat, including animals that are fed corn, most processed foods that use corn oil or soybean oil or corn syrup. Food shortages or high costs have led to food riots in some third world countries and made the cost of eating out or at home budget busting for many.
So now the global warming myth actually has lead to the chaos we are now enduring with energy and food prices. We pay for it every time we fill our gas tanks. Not only is it running up gasoline prices, it has changed government policy impacting our taxes, our utility bills and the entire focus of government funding. And, now the Congress is considering a cap and trade carbon credits policy. We the citizens will pay for that, too. It all ends up in our taxes and the price of goods and services.
So the Global warming frenzy is, indeed, threatening our civilization. Not because global warming is real; it is not. But because of the all the horrible side effects of the global warming scam.
I love this civilization. I want to do my part to protect it.
If Al Gore and his global warming scare dictates the future policy of our governments, the current economic downturn could indeed become a recession, drift into a depression and our modern civilization could fall into an abyss. And it would largely be a direct result of the global warming frenzy.
My mission, in what is left of a long and exciting lifetime, is to stamp out this Global Warming silliness and let all of us get on with enjoying our lives and loving our planet, Earth.
Gore's estate has been criticized twice by the group, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR). In February 2007 the group stated that "a report by the Nashville Electric Service revealed that Mr Gore's mansion in Nashville consumed between 12 and 20 times more electricity than the average family home and that his electricity consumption had risen since the film's release in 2005."[109]
Don't call me stupid, but I'm puzzled-and confused-at this whole 'global warming' Crap.
Can somebody tell me how some scientists have determined that the earth's overall average temperature has increased a degree or two in the last hundred years or so? We live on a HUGE planet, so how do we know that the records which have been kept are TOTALLY Accurate? Furthermore, how do we know the thermometers used were EXACT and Correct? HOW DO WE KNOW?
There are several different ways of determining past temp history. The most obvious, of course, is weather stations located across the planet. The major drawback to this is, as you mentioned, questions in the accuracy of the instruments.
There are other methods, however, which which allow scientists to measure temperature from several thousand years ago, the two primary methods being ice core samples and sea sediment samples. Neither of these two methods are hindered by the lack of hyper-accurate themometers placed around the world.
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Think about THIS ... to get a accurate, usable temperature average, a person would've had to put thermometers on every square mile of earth's surface, monitor them from the earth's formation, record each thermometer's temperature for every minute of the day and night. All those thermometers would have to be in place even until this very moment. Each and every temperature would have to be calculated to determine the earth's heating/cooling patterns over the planet's history. Then and only then, could a mean temperature average be established to verify if the world was getting hotter/cooler. Correct me if I'm wrong!
Ok, you're wrong. As far as I know, the oldest ice core sample we've retrieved is about 850,000 years old. Due to the depth of the ice in Antarctica, there should be (in theory) ice close to 1 million years old. Thats as far back as we can go.
The problem with your proposal is that we're not trying to find and maintain an "average" world temperature. In its past, Earth has been much hotter (avg. 125 degrees, due to a runaway greenhouse effect) and much cooler, to the extent that ice covered the globe.
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And I hear talk of the polar caps melting. But I also hear that other areas of both the artic and anartic are growing in size; more ice-gotta be colder. How does that happen if the earth is getting hotter?
There is no part of the arctic ice cap that is growing, period. In fact, the North Pole is expected to be ice-free in summer within 5-10 years.
The antarctic ice cap is growing overall, losing ice in some areas but gaining it in others.
Theres a big difference between the two. The northern ice cap floats on top of an ocean. The southern ice cap sits on top of a land mass. As sea temperatures rise (and they are) the polar ice cap is subject to melting from not only every direction, but enderneath as well.
Antarctica also benefits in that it is encircled by a current of cold water which, in effect, insulates it from the rest of the ocean
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Hell, some scientist are predicting a Global Cooling.
Only the dumb ones
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And how does the select scientific community along with one loser POTUS candidate decide that the earth is coming to an end, based on a possible couple of degrees difference
Actually, both major presidental canidates are "believers".
No one (credible) is saying that earth is coming to an end. Irregardless of what we do, earth is going to continue orbiting the sun for a couple more billion years.
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And why won't the Honorable VP (I say Honorable very recklessly!) just once, debate the issue with the Global Warming non-believers. The way it looks to me, Gore doesn't have a case, so he refuses to face facts. Thats what it looks like to me.
I don't speak for Gore but I do know that Dr. James Hanson, the guy who predicted global warming a couple decades ago testified before congress yesterday.
Hanson was made famous when he was called to Washington in 1988 to explain why earth was getting warmer. 1988 was, at that time, the hottest on record. Since then 14 years have been hotter.
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I'm just asking, but one would be out of his/her crazy mind believing that another human being could predict, merely by studying only a few years history and a very limited number of facts, that this planet is headed toward a global, self-imposed Bar BQ. The earth has been around anywhere from 7000 to millions of years, and decendants of all the basic types of plants and animals are still living!!
Actually, its been around for a couple a billion years, but whose counting, right?
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Looks like we would have all burned up at some point in time before now, don't you think?
Um, no
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I don't know, maybe I've missed something somewhere along the climate-changing trail.
Somebody help me ... I'm in a confused, 'Baffled by B%&& $h!+' state of mind trying to figure out this farse of a panic!! It appears to me that we're all being SNOWED!!
Can somebody convince me that we're not!!
Its not my job to convince anyone, but if you really want to learn something I'd suggest getting information from sources not called worldnetdaily.com (or John Coleman [:)])
Some good places to start:
NASA GISS (Goddard Institute for Space Studies)
National Snow and Ice Data Center
"Life, Liberty or Property shall not be infringed."
-John Locke
He is the weatherman at KUSI San Diego Ca. If you have seen him and others on that channel it will be obvious that a pretty face for the camera is not what the owner of KUSI is looking for. John Coleman is a hoot, and by far more accurate with the weather than his peers. He loves San Diego and is not afraid to say so.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, for this post, he is a example of millions that live in CA. have conservative views but are out voted.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, for this post, he is a example of millions that live in CA. have conservative views but are out voted.
Since when are climate patterns a "conservative vs. liberal" issue?
Are there any other sciences which have this peculiar aspect?
How about medicine? We can have a big 'ol debate over smoking and lung cancer! If we can just out-vote those damned lib'rals we can stop this farce in its tracks! [:)]
Since liberals started pushing the global warming idea and conservatives took a stand against it.
Since liberals started pushing the global warming idea and conservatives took a stand against it.
LOL
Not so very long ago "Conservatives" took a stand against the "Liberal" idea of a round earth.
How'd that work out?
Thats what happens when science is confused with politics (or worse yet, religion)
At one time they knew the earth was flat.
At one time they knew the sun revolved around the earth.
At one time they knew that there was Global Warming.
.....and time and history will go on.
Arrogance
At one time conservatives knew the earth was flat.
At one time conservatives knew the sun revolved around the earth.
At one time conservatives knew that there was no Global Warming.
.....and time and history will go on.
Fixed it for ya [;)]
My reply is a little lengthy, and it includes the information on the price of gasoline. In short, Global Warming is a hoax. Here's the longer version:
John Coleman founded and was CEO and President of The Weather Channel. I believe he has an idea what he's talking about.
John Coleman's Comments Before the San Diego Chamber of Commerce
Global Warming and the Price of a Gallon of Gas
by John Coleman (the founder of The Weather Channel)
You may want to give credit where credit is due to Al Gore and his global warming campaign the next time you fill your car with gasoline, because there is a direct connection between Global Warming and four dollar a gallon gas. It is shocking, but true, to learn that the entire Global Warming frenzy is based on the environmentalist's attack on fossil fuels, particularly gasoline. All this big time science, international meetings, thick research papers, dire threats for the future; all of it, comes down to their claim that the carbon dioxide in the exhaust from your car and in the smoke stacks from our power plants is destroying the climate of planet Earth. What an amazing fraud; what a scam.
The future of our civilization lies in the balance.
That's the battle cry of the High Priest of Global Warming Al Gore and his fellow, agenda driven disciples as they predict a calamitous outcome from anthropogenic global warming. According to Mr. Gore the polar ice caps will collapse and melt and sea levels will rise 20 feet inundating the coastal cities making 100 million of us refugees. Vice President Gore tells us numerous Pacific islands will be totally submerged and uninhabitable. He tells us global warming will disrupt the circulation of the ocean waters, dramatically changing climates, throwing the world food supply into chaos. He tells us global warming will turn hurricanes into super storms, produce droughts, wipe out the polar bears and result in bleaching of coral reefs. He tells us tropical diseases will spread to mid latitudes and heat waves will kill tens of thousands. He preaches to us that we must change our lives and eliminate fossil fuels or face the dire consequences. The future of our civilization is in the balance.
With a preacher's zeal, Mr. Gore sets out to strike terror into us and our children and make us feel we are all complicit in the potential demise of the planet.
Here is my rebuttal.
There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future. The climate of Earth is changing. It has always changed. But mankind's activities have not overwhelmed or significantly modified the natural forces.
Through all history, Earth has shifted between two basic climate regimes: ice ages and what paleoclimatologists call "Interglacial periods". For the past 10 thousand years the Earth has been in an interglacial period. That might well be called nature's global warming because what happens during an interglacial period is the Earth warms up, the glaciers melt and life flourishes. Clearly from our point of view, an interglacial period is greatly preferred to the deadly rigors of an ice age. Mr. Gore and his crowd would have us believe that the activities of man have overwhelmed nature during this interglacial period and are producing an unprecedented, out of control warming.
Well, it is simply not happening. Worldwide there was a significant natural warming trend in the 1980's and 1990's as a Solar cycle peaked with lots of sunspots and solar flares. That ended in 1998 and now the Sun has gone quiet with fewer and fewer Sun spots, and the global temperatures have gone into decline. Earth has cooled for almost ten straight years. So, I ask Al Gore, where's the global warming?
The cooling trend is so strong that recently the head of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had to acknowledge it. He speculated that nature has temporarily overwhelmed mankind's warming and it may be ten years or so before the warming returns. Oh, really. We are supposed to be in a panic about man-made global warming and the whole thing takes a ten year break because of the lack of Sun spots. If this weren't so serious, it would be laughable.
Now allow me to talk a little about the science behind the global warming frenzy. I have dug through thousands of pages of research papers, including the voluminous documents published by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I have worked my way through complicated math and complex theories. Here's the bottom line: the entire global warming scientific case is based on the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from the use of fossil fuels. They don't have any other issue. Carbon Dioxide, that's it.
Hello Al Gore; Hello UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Your science is flawed; your hypothesis is wrong; your data is manipulated. And, may I add, your scare tactics are deplorable. The Earth does not have a fever. Carbon dioxide does not cause significant global warming.
The focus on atmospheric carbon dioxide grew out a study by Roger Revelle who was an esteemed scientist at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute. He took his research with him when he moved to Harvard and allowed his students to help him process the data for his paper. One of those students was Al Gore. That is where Gore got caught up in this global warming frenzy. Revelle's paper linked the increases in carbon dioxide, CO2, in the atmosphere with warming. It labeled CO2 as a greenhouse gas.
Charles Keeling, another researcher at the Scripps Oceanographic Institute, set up a system to make continuous CO2 measurements. His graph of these increases has now become known as the Keeling Curve. When Charles Keeling died in 2005, his son David, also at Scripps, took over the measurements. Here is what the Keeling curve shows: an increase in CO2 from 315 parts per million in 1958 to 385 parts per million today, an increase of 70 parts per million or about 20 percent.
All the computer models, all of the other findings, all of the other angles of study, all come back to and are based on CO2 as a significant greenhouse gas. It is not.
Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. It has been there since time began. It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans. It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis. Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it. Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.
Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere. Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand. That makes it a trace component. Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can't. That's all there is to it; it can't.
The UN IPCC has attracted billions of dollars for the research to try to make the case that CO2 is the culprit of run-away, man-made global warming. The scientists have come up with very complex creative theories and done elaborate calculations and run computer models they say prove those theories. They present us with a concept they call radiative forcing. The research organizations and scientists who are making a career out of this theory, keep cranking out the research papers. Then the IPCC puts on big conferences at exotic places, such as the recent conference in Bali. The scientists endorse each other's papers, they are summarized and voted on, and viola, we are told global warming is going to kill us all unless we stop burning fossil fuels.
May I stop here for a few historical notes? First, the internal combustion engine and gasoline were awful polluters when they were first invented. And, both gasoline and automobile engines continued to leave a layer of smog behind right up through the 1960's. Then science and engineering came to the environmental rescue. Better exhaust and ignition systems, catalytic converters, fuel injectors, better engineering throughout the engine and reformulated gasoline have all contributed to a huge reduction in the exhaust emissions from today's cars. Their goal then was to only exhaust carbon dioxide and water vapor, two gases widely accepted as natural and totally harmless. Anyone old enough to remember the pall of smog that used to hang over all our cities knows how much improvement there has been. So the environmentalists, in their battle against fossil fuels and automobiles had a very good point forty years ago, but now they have to focus almost entirely on the once harmless carbon dioxide. And, that is the rub. Carbon dioxide is not an environmental problem; they just want you now to think it is.
Numerous independent research projects have been done about the greenhouse impact from increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. These studies have proven to my total satisfaction that CO2 is not creating a major greenhouse effect and is not causing an increase in temperatures. By the way, before his death, Roger Revelle coauthored a paper cautioning that CO2 and its greenhouse effect did not warrant extreme countermeasures.
So now it has come down to an intense campaign, orchestrated by environmentalists claiming that the burning of fossil fuels dooms the planet to run-away global warming. Ladies and Gentlemen, that is a myth.
So how has the entire global warming frenzy with all its predictions of dire consequences, become so widely believed, accepted and regarded as a real threat to planet Earth? That is the most amazing part of the story.
To start with global warming has the backing of the United Nations, a major world force. Second, it has the backing of a former Vice President and very popular political figure. Third it has the endorsement of Hollywood, and that's enough for millions. And, fourth, the environmentalists love global warming. It is their tool to combat fossil fuels. So with the environmentalists, the UN, Gore and Hollywood touting Global Warming and predictions of doom and gloom, the media has scrambled with excitement to climb aboard. After all the media loves a crisis. From YK2 to killer bees the media just loves to tell us our lives are threatened. And the media is biased toward liberal, so it's pre-programmed to support Al Gore and UN. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The LA Times, The Washington Post, the Associated Press and here in San Diego The Union Tribune are all constantly promoting the global warming crisis.
So who is going to go against all of that power? Not the politicians. So now the President of the United States, just about every Governor, most Senators and most Congress people, both of the major current candidates for President, most other elected officials on all levels of government are all riding the Al Gore Global Warming express. That is one crowded bus.
I suspect you haven't heard it because the mass media did not report it, but I am not alone on the no man-made warming side of this issue. On May 20th, a list of the names of over thirty-one thousand scientists who refute global warming was released. Thirty-one thousand of which 9,000 are Ph.ds. Think about that. Thirty-one thousand. That dwarfs the supposed 2,500 scientists on the UN panel. In the past year, five hundred of scientists have issued public statements challenging global warming. A few more join the chorus every week. There are about 100 defectors from the UN IPCC. There was an International Conference of Climate Change Skeptics in New York in March of this year. One hundred of us gave presentations. Attendance was limited to six hundred people. Every seat was taken. There are a half dozen excellent internet sites that debunk global warming. And, thank goodness for KUSI and Michael McKinnon, its owner. He allows me to post my comments on global warming on the website KUSI.com. Following the publicity of my position form Fox News, Glen Beck on CNN, Rush Limbaugh and a host of other interviews, thousands of people come to the website and read my comments. I get hundreds of supportive emails from them. No I am not alone and the debate is not over.
In my remarks in New York I speculated that perhaps we should sue Al Gore for fraud because of his carbon credits trading scheme. That remark has caused a stir in the fringe media and on the internet. The concept is that if the media won't give us a hearing and the other side will not debate us, perhaps we could use a Court of law to present our papers and our research and if the Judge is unbiased and understands science, we win. The media couldn't ignore that. That idea has become the basis for legal research by notable attorneys and discussion among global warming debunkers, but it's a long way from the Court room.
I am very serious about this issue. I think stamping out the global warming scam is vital to saving our wonderful way of life.
The battle against fossil fuels has controlled policy in this country for decades. It was the environmentalist's prime force in blocking any drilling for oil in this country and the blocking the building of any new refineries, as well. So now the shortage they created has sent gasoline prices soaring. And, it has lead to the folly of ethanol, which is also partly behind the fuel price increases; that and our restricted oil policy. The ethanol folly is also creating a food crisis throughput the world - it is behind the food price rises for all the grains, for cereals, bread, everything that relies on corn or soy or wheat, including animals that are fed corn, most processed foods that use corn oil or soybean oil or corn syrup. Food shortages or high costs have led to food riots in some third world countries and made the cost of eating out or at home budget busting for many.
So now the global warming myth actually has lead to the chaos we are now enduring with energy and food prices. We pay for it every time we fill our gas tanks. Not only is it running up gasoline prices, it has changed government policy impacting our taxes, our utility bills and the entire focus of government funding. And, now the Congress is considering a cap and trade carbon credits policy. We the citizens will pay for that, too. It all ends up in our taxes and the price of goods and services.
So the Global warming frenzy is, indeed, threatening our civilization. Not because global warming is real; it is not. But because of the all the horrible side effects of the global warming scam.
I love this civilization. I want to do my part to protect it.
If Al Gore and his global warming scare dictates the future policy of our governments, the current economic downturn could indeed become a recession, drift into a depression and our modern civilization could fall into an abyss. And it would largely be a direct result of the global warming frenzy.
My mission, in what is left of a long and exciting lifetime, is to stamp out this Global Warming silliness and let all of us get on with enjoying our lives and loving our planet, Earth.
I'm Believing this Post much more than the rest!! But keep trying to Convince me PLease!
I believe you have only looked at one side
of the the issue ----
If you want some facts that Al Gore
does not want you to hear go to
http://www.iceagenow.com/
If you have a open mind and want to broaden
your education ----
Lee
Rack ----
I believe you have only looked at one side
of the the issue ----
I've looked at the evidence presented by both sides. I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative by nature, so I have a distinct interest in the "alarmists" being wrong.
I used to find the lack of credible debate offered by the "deniers" somewhat depressing. Now its just amusing.
Don't have any research to back up you theory? Make up something! Nobody will know the difference.
Can't find enough scientists to agree with your research? Change the definition of scientist to "anyone holding a bachelor's degree"! Still not enough? Then create some out of thin air!
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If you want some facts that Al Gore
does not want you to hear go to
http://www.iceagenow.com/
I honestly couldn't give a tinker's damn as to what Al Gore has to say on the matter. His credentials are essentially the same as John Coleman (who is loved so much around here).
I've been pointed to iceagenow before. Its hard to take a website seriously when it that claims the next ice age is upon us, especially given the temperature data for the last hundred years.
That task becomes damn near impossible when I see the "10 rules for belly fat" ad in the top corner.
Just looking at the list of articles, I see several that I'm familiar with...most of them have been pretty soundly thrashed under review.
Pick one, and we'll discuss it. [:)]
Most appropriate for this discussion.
Too many people jumped on this idea. Due to pride they cant get off the train so they need to convince you that it is real in order to keep their credintials intact. It always comes back to pride or money. In this case it's both.
Taking the conspiracy route is so much easier than looking at the evidence yourself. [:)]
You do make an excellent point about money and/or pride. There are plenty of young Ph.D's that could become rich/famous by blowing the whole thing wide open.
That hasn't happened
Need to have POS Gore as sacrificial offering to the gods to find the real answer. [:p]
Aside from the whole Glb Wmg issue, yes ...
Count me IN on that sacrificial service! Wanna sell tickets?[;)][:D][;)][:D]
quote:Originally posted by kiwibird1
Too many people jumped on this idea. Due to pride they cant get off the train so they need to convince you that it is real in order to keep their credintials intact. It always comes back to pride or money. In this case it's both.
Taking the conspiracy route is so much easier than looking at the evidence yourself. [:)]
You do make an excellent point about money and/or pride. There are plenty of young Ph.D's that could become rich/famous by blowing the whole thing wide open.
That hasn't happened
It hasn't happened because the Liberal Extremist try to silence them before their mouths open.
EXAMPLE: Al Gore with NO DEBATES on Global Warming.
Liberals talk about promoting free speech, but ONLY when its their speech that they want heard and to hell with everyone else's ideas or opinions.
It hasn't happened because the Liberal Extremist try to silence them before their mouths open.
I guess you must have lots of experience working with them
I work with more than a couple conservative-leaning scientists (actual scientists, not made up ones) on a daily basis. If they could blow it open, they would.
Even IF global warming is real AND caused by humans even the most radical solutions proposed will do nothing to stop the increasing world consumption of hydrocarbons. The proposed solutions have everything to do with TAXES and NOTHING to do with a global environmental solution.
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Well said
I'd believe it a little more if the UN wasn't trying to ram the kyoto protocol (SP?) or what ever the hell it is down our throats. In the history of the UN and its participates the US has provided most if not all troops and money equip ect.
This kyoto cluster flop is no different If we get roped into this the US will foot the entire bill all along India and China say they will and they are trying but we can contribute this month sorry thanks for picking up the check. [V]Chump
We, as a society, have no clue if the globe really is warming up.
It's my understand that computer and satellite technology wasn't very advanced in 1880. I hope the 1880 data were more accurate than what the Navy reported in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
When I rode them LGS's (Long Gray Ships), the weather data were collected by some poor Deck Seaman who happened to have the watch when the weather report was due. His scientific background was a two minute instruction from the Quartermaster on how to operate the dry bulb/wet bulb. He would usually tap the barometer a few times to unstick the needle. Third tap was considered to be the correct reading.
The accuracy of 1880 ocean temps aside, the globe is either warming or it's not. The climate is either changing or it's not. It's either caused by humans or it's not. Either way makes little or no difference because there is nothing humans can do about it. Some people will refuse to believe that until Hell freezes over.