Shooting Simulator

mogley98

So my wife was excited to take me down to a new gun shop/range that opened recently.

I wasn't sure what it would be like but she had taught a CWP class there and was gung ho to go.

So we shot a tricked out Glock and a M&P, we took turns switching off. The video screen is wall size.
First the guy analyzed our shooting. I was grouping really well and trigger pull was almost non traceable. The computer tracks every move you make with the gun.
So after he congratulated us on our target shooting we moved into scenarios.
Well the good news I guess is I never shot anyone I wasn't supposed to.
In the first scenario a guy ran off from "my garage" but a second guy popped up from behind the car and dusted me.

I was more careful and tried to prevent tunnel vision from allowing that to happen again.

The wife shot a guy in the leg that I wouldn't shoot, she got a discussion about that from the instructor.

In a third scenario she didn't something that shocked and impressed not only me but the instructor. She dropped to her knee and shot the perp before I could get a round off.
The instructor said not once has he seen anyone do that. I felt like she made herself smaller to hit.

The instructor was able to reset the scenes and change things, all in all we did well until the last scene.
I still can't stop thinking about it. A guy is arguing with his neighbor and has a shotgun, as you approach (some of these scenes are for LEO, I wouldn't approach some situations that we had too) anyway he puts down the shotgun and backs away with his hands up, I had gotten very good at leaving both eyes open and was shooting left or right handed equally well.
(I think they sped up the video) but anyway the guy rushes forward picks up the gun (I am thinking if he picks it up I shoot) and shoots the neighbor before I could get a round off.
The wife shot him after the fact but I was stunned.
Bothered me that I didn't get him!

Sobering some of these situations were involving young people in schools. Hard to shoot a kid but when we had to we did.
In one scene at one point a guy was punching the air screaming, the instructor said why didn't you shoot him I said he wasn't hitting me he laughed and said yes he was we can't get him any closer then that. Oh well.

Anyway for the two of us it was 55 for an hour of solid "shooting" scenarios. The guns use CO2 magazines and the slides function like real with some recoil also.

If you get a chance I highly recommend it.

TooBig

Sounds cool and it would be a experience for sure

1BigGuy

Reminds me of this scene from Men In Black:[;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hAVT2sDqQ

Ditch-Runner

sounds interesting also a eye opening experience .

Mobuck

Somewhat unrealistic as you're going in knowing you're going to shoot something. Quite a bit different than the out-of-the-blue realization that "holy crap, I may have to shoot someone" of a real life scenario. On the other hand, it's better than walking out in the yard and blasting a beer can.

mogley98

Yes that is true, but you have to make split second decisions shoot or don't shoot, did you fear for your life or someone else.

In some scenarios no bad guy jumps out it could be a family member or other innocent.

And as you say short of being shot at for real it is almost as real as you can get.


quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
Somewhat unrealistic as you're going in knowing you're going to shoot something. Quite a bit different than the out-of-the-blue realization that "holy crap, I may have to shoot someone" of a real life scenario. On the other hand, it's better than walking out in the yard and blasting a beer can.
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
Somewhat unrealistic as you're going in knowing you're going to shoot something. Quite a bit different than the out-of-the-blue realization that "holy crap, I may have to shoot someone" of a real life scenario. On the other hand, it's better than walking out in the yard and blasting a beer can.

ChrisStreett

Simulators are great practice and train your decision process as well as weapons skills. The playbacks are VERY telling, especially when there is video not only on the shoot/don't shoot scenarios on the screen but also of the individual making the decisions. There is much to be learned from them.

Rack Ops

quote:Originally posted by 1BigGuy
Reminds me of this scene from Men In Black:[;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3hAVT2sDqQ


He's not snarling, he's sneezing.

Riomouse911

Mobuck, many if not most of the scenarios I have experienced are no-shoots, you have no idea which ones are the ones that require shooting. The idea is to train the person to take in the information being shown/spoken, not to focus on the obvious threat, and to make a judgment call in the same amount of time that it happens on the streets....all without the 24-hour media attention and potential for criminal and civil penalties as the result of a wrong decision. You are right because it really is a safe and a sterile environment so that part of the equation isn't genuine, but it's a heck of a lot better than shooting 30 rounds at pop-bottle shaped "kill zone" targets on a static range every 6 months like we used to.

I have been in these simulators where not only is there a scenario playing, there are furniture props in the room, 360-degree sound, variable lighting, and even a compressed air gun mounted on a wall. The air gun shoots you when the suspect does making your decision to stand still after shooting, or not shoot prior to the shooter, a painful reminder. There is a camera on the barrel and it's operated by remote control by the scenario operator, and yes it stings when it hits.

I am glad that more people are being exposed to these things! It is too damn easy to sit back and armchair quarterback and dissect lethal force situations faced by humans in real life, putting people through a few of these makes then realize it's no so damn easy to choose the right decision in a split second after all.

Stay safe!

mogley98

+1 After the experience I told my wife that all those who are so quick to judge LEO should have to go in one of these things.


quote:Originally posted by Riomouse911
Mobuck, many if not most of the scenarios I have experienced are no-shoots, you have no idea which ones are the ones that require shooting. The idea is to train the person to take in the information being shown/spoken, not to focus on the obvious threat, and to make a judgment call in the same amount of time that it happens on the streets....all without the 24-hour media attention and potential for criminal and civil penalties as the result of a wrong decision. You are right because it really is a safe and a sterile environment so that part of the equation isn't genuine, but it's a heck of a lot better than shooting 30 rounds at pop-bottle shaped "kill zone" targets on a static range every 6 months like we used to.

I have been in these simulators where not only is there a scenario playing, there are furniture props in the room, 360-degree sound, variable lighting, and even a compressed air gun mounted on a wall. The air gun shoots you when the suspect does making your decision to stand still after shooting, or not shoot prior to the shooter, a painful reminder. There is a camera on the barrel and it's operated by remote control by the scenario operator, and yes it stings when it hits.

I am glad that more people are being exposed to these things! It is too damn easy to sit back and armchair quarterback and dissect lethal force situations faced by humans in real life, putting people through a few of these makes then realize it's no so damn easy to choose the right decision in a split second after all.

Stay safe!