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UPS Looking for something?
mogley98
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I have shipped numerous rifles and Ammo with UPS and hand guns with FED Ex today UPS actually opened the boxes! And examined the packages even though I clearly indicated what was in them anyway on the form, they have NEVER opened any shipment in the past, I wonder if they lost a nuclear war head or something? I alway take the shippee's FFL with me when I go to the shipping center, never been even asked today she burned a copy? Homeland Security at work? Oh well nothing to hide so no problem but my box ain't as tight as I shipped it!
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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Oh well nothing to hide so no problem
I seriously despise that attitude. Why can some not understand that isn't the point.
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
Oh well nothing to hide so no problem
I seriously despise that attitude. Why can some not understand that isn't the point.
+1
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
Oh well nothing to hide so no problem
I seriously despise that attitude. Why can some not understand that isn't the point.
+1
+1000. That attitude makes me want to puke.
My understanding is that opening someones elses mail [especially w/o permission] is a federal offense?
your understanding is correct.
My understanding is that opening someones elses mail [especially w/o permission] is a federal offense?
Mail yes, if you are refering to USPS mail. UPS, DHL, and FedEx are a different matter. They have reserved the right to open and examine anything you chose to ship using their service.
My understanding is that opening someones elses mail [especially w/o permission] is a federal offense?
UPS isn't US mail. It's a common carrier.
I had a guy ship me a "Colt revolver" that was insured for $900. When I opened the package, it contained a patio brick! I called UPS and they sent an insurance investigator to start a fraud claim against the shipper.
Thanks to the kindness of the Downey, California Police Dept., I got my $900 back. [:)]
I'd sure love to find the aforementioned brick while the postal clerk is witnessing the package being opened...any thoughts? Joe
UPS is a private company and can examine any package they want to. In fact, even the postal service is allowed to open and examine a package containing a firearm as stated in their regulations.
And just how do they (USPS) know it has a firearm? You don't mark packages on the outside indicating they contain a firearm.
Rifles do not need any special form filled out to ship.
Handguns when shipped get a form filled out at the counter but beyond that point who would open it knowing it had a firearm inside?
I would like to see the regulation that states firearms shipments are subject to inspection...
My understanding is that opening someones elses mail [especially w/o permission] is a federal offense?UPS is not the USPS.
By both Federal law and USPS regulations you are required to notify the clerk that the package contains a firearm whether a long gun or a handgun.
And just how do they (USPS) know it has a firearm? You don't mark packages on the outside indicating they contain a firearm.
Rifles do not need any special form filled out to ship.
Handguns when shipped get a form filled out at the counter but beyond that point who would open it knowing it had a firearm inside?
I would like to see the regulation that states firearms shipments are subject to inspection...
From the USPS Regulations.
11.3 Rifles and Shotguns
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1065405
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
And just how do they (USPS) know it has a firearm? You don't mark packages on the outside indicating they contain a firearm.
Rifles do not need any special form filled out to ship.
Handguns when shipped get a form filled out at the counter but beyond that point who would open it knowing it had a firearm inside?
I would like to see the regulation that states firearms shipments are subject to inspection...
From the USPS Regulations.
11.3 Rifles and Shotguns
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.
http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1065405
I suppose you already read what you posted... it says the MAILER may be required to open the parcel OR state by written certification that it is unloaded... it is common for the counter people to ask if the firearm is unloaded when shipping a handgun and presenting them with the firearm shipper form.
IT DOES NOT STATE THAT THE PACKAGE IS SUBJECT TO BEING OPENED AND INSPECTED BY THE POSTAL EMPLOYEES AFTER BEING TENDERED TO THEM
"And just how do they (USPS) know it has a firearm? You don't mark packages on the outside indicating they contain a firearm."
By both Federal law and USPS regulations you are required to notify the clerk that the package contains a firearm whether a long gun or a handgun.
At the counter. The package is not marked. Once past the counter no one knows what is inside.