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well ....i warned them
brickmaster1248
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just got back from the grocery store with all my beans,spam and rice[;)]and when i arrived in the driveway there was the neighbors dog standing on the porch. No big deal at first but when i approached my front door i told the dog to * and when i did the dog started to growl and showed his teeth. so i slowly set down the bag of groceries and pulled my pistol but was afraid to fire because of his location( my kids were in the house also). so we stood there in a stare down and by this time i was getting pissed. next thing i know is here comes my wife with a mossberg persuador from around back of the house and she proceeds to tell me that the dog has killed one of my hens and another one has a broken leg! Ok now ive decided that this dog is dead. but i took my eye of the dog just a second while my wife was telling me about what had happened and the next thing i know the dog jets across the yard snd i drew down on him and by the time i get a decent bead on him he is almost to the road and was no longer safe to fire. I watched for wich house he went to and when i finished carrying the groceries in i proceeded to walk to the neighbors and inform them of the situation and told them in a nice way that if they like their dog then tie it up or keep it in the house. The dog will not get a second chance mainly because my kids play out back and i have registered yorkshire terriers and beagles and will not chance no more problems. As a write this the dog is laying in his front yard about 120 yards away( i ranged him)and its all i can do not to go ahead and take the shot. Any ways that waas the first time ive ever had to draw a firearm for any reason other than plinking or punching holes in paper.
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Edit: Did the dog go for the watermelon too? [:D][:D][:D]
Fortunately, old dogs seldom learn new tricks so bide your time as he will run a fowl again! [:p][:D][;)]
I see a lot of poorly trained dogs, people treat them like little furry people instead of what they are.
I also would not shoot a neighbor's dog for killing my chicken, nor would I suffer him to shoot my dog for killing his chicken. Chickens are cheap and easily replaced. If my dog kills your chicken, I owe you a new chicken and an apology. If your dog kills my chicken, same same.
I don't buy into the belief that a dog will not stop killing chickens, or cows, or whatever, once he gets a taste of blood. I also don't allow my dogs to run the neighborhood. That is bad manners and irresponsible.
I also would not shoot a neighbor's dog for killing my chicken, nor would I suffer him to shoot my dog for killing his chicken. Chickens are cheap and easily replaced. If my dog kills your chicken, I owe you a new chicken and an apology. If your dog kills my chicken, same same.
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quote:Originally posted by nunn
I don't buy into the belief that a dog will not stop killing chickens, or cows, or whatever, once he gets a taste of blood. I also don't allow my dogs to run the neighborhood. That is bad manners and irresponsible.
I also would not shoot a neighbor's dog for killing my chicken, nor would I suffer him to shoot my dog for killing his chicken. Chickens are cheap and easily replaced. If my dog kills your chicken, I owe you a new chicken and an apology. If your dog kills my chicken, same same.
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the dog will die not because he killed a chicken but because he showed aggression to me. your right chickens are replaceable and i have lost many chickens to dogs but ive only shot one dog because of chicken killing and i beleive it was just a stray.
What kind of dog is it?
seems to be a lab and pit bull mix
That is hardly the point...
The rest of the chickens are upset, if they are layers, they could stop laying and if a person is selling the eggs, it could be a tad costly...and yes I know I used to raise chickens...
Also, the dog growled and showed his teeth, not in his own property protecting his own family, but on someone else's home ground...
The dog could attack the kids, your spouse, and perhaps visitors to your home....
He told the owner of the dog what was going on and he has full right to kill the dog IF it attacks his live stock or his family....
quote:Chickens are cheap and easily replaced
And you want to kill a turtle that is not causing any harm?
I am assuming you live in a rural area, because you have chickens, your wife came after the dog with a shotgun and your neighbor is 120 yards away.
Some chickens are not replaceable. I have a hen that I have rescued from death twice and took care of personally, sewed her up fed and watered her, tamed her and taught some tricks. I will kill the hawk that came for her and injured her if I can and I don't shoot predators.
I don't believe killing the dog is the way to go here. Go and speak to your neighbors again and ask them what they intend to do to keep it from happening again.
Here in California, if someone's dog is running loose on your property (rural, ag, etc.), that's grounds to shoot it. If it's chasing your cows, all the more reason to shoot it. I don't shoot at free-running dogs because they don't harrass my horses, but if they did, I'd have to. One of my neighbors about a mile down the way took several shots at a friend's Husky who wandered away hunting squirrels. Bo never chased any cows. I went over to see my neighbor and spoke to him about it and he was pretty aggressive until I told him that if he hits the dog, kills it, or the dog simply disappears, the owner will come for HIM. My neighbor stopped shooting at the dog and became friendly with it.
My point is, perhaps you should become friendly with the dog. Show it your chickens and if the dog tries to go for them, spank the dog three or four medium whacks with about half of a rolled-up newspaper. I know you shouldn't have to do this. It won't take much on your part and your neighbor should be willing and anxious to help in this endeavor. Indeed, you might become close friends out of this deal. Don't be so quick to pull your weapon and shoot. You will know when it's time, I'm sure, as evidenced by your holding off when your fields of fire were not clear and when you remained level-headed enough to realize your legal standing in not firing when the dog was approaching your property line. You'll do the right thing.
That's the ideal situation.
I think everyone is missing the point of why brickmaster even drew down on the dog in the first place.
It wasn't about the chickens...it was about the dog growling and baring teeth at him FROM HIS OWN PORCH.
Wow...
I think everyone is missing the point of why brickmaster even drew down on the dog in the first place.
It wasn't about the chickens...it was about the dog growling and baring teeth at him FROM HIS OWN PORCH.
i didnt miss the point.
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Wow...
I think everyone is missing the point of why brickmaster even drew down on the dog in the first place.
It wasn't about the chickens...it was about the dog growling and baring teeth at him FROM HIS OWN PORCH.
i didnt miss the point.
Ok but it makes the dog a stock killer Which will draw a large fine in most states. THAT threat might bring quicker response from the owner since most places the county will shoot it(if caught in the act) and then charge the owner with harboring a stock killing animal and the court will order him to pay replacement costs.
BTW your chickens are worth whatever price you assign them! $100/ea isn't unheard of for repeated offenses. Whatever the limit is in small claims court just divide it by number of chickens slain. (take pics of the carnage with you)
You give the owner one chance to pen the dog then do what ever is necessary to end the problem. Whether it's shoot it or sic the law on him! Owners need to learn be responsible for their animals! Sometimes it takes a kick in the head(or the billfold) to bring em around!
I watched my dad cure a dog of chasing and killing chickens by swatting him two or three times with one taken from his mouth while scolding him, and then tying the body around his neck for a couple of days. Sounds cruel, but the dog never looked at another chicken again.
Oh. Wanted to add that I'm assuming that your chickens are penned and not fertilizing the neighborhood like the pollo's that infest my area.
(Game roosters are not great eating!)
Allen
(2) Keep YOUR dog and YOUR kids in YOUR yard.
MOST areas have ordinances against dogs "running at large". Would talk to owner, explain problem, if owner will not deal with HIS dog, notify animal control. I have neighbor, has well mannered pup, will come over and say hi if he sees me in the yard (wants to get pettted). Had another neighbor that continued to let his pit bull run loose after it had been chasing/ killing animals. Those two would receive different welcomes. And FWIW, I do not blame the dog- but I DO blame the owner.
I have had neighbors dogs show up and chase my cattle, 12 gauge took care of the first one, .308 got the second, third and fourth ones. The neighbors received the dog carcasses back along with a bill for the value of the aborted calves. My closest neighbor lives 2 miles away.
He shall return to eat some more chicken. Once they get the taste they come back....
I knew a girl like that once.
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Wow...
I think everyone is missing the point of why brickmaster even drew down on the dog in the first place.
It wasn't about the chickens...it was about the dog growling and baring teeth at him FROM HIS OWN PORCH.
i didnt miss the point.
Yep.
On the other hand have opened door to find one of my neighbors dogs wanting to play, know who he is and I take my time getting his dog back to him. Its a great dog.
But I have also shot one of my own dogs, he was chasing the neighbors cattle, couldnot get him to stop. So when I had a clear shot I took it. Did not have the dog long and wa trying to break it of some real bad habits it got from it previous owners.
Feel for you on the chickens, I have way to many raccoons in the area to have chickens. Maybe I will try again but only after I completly rebuild the hen house. Have to Bury the chicken wire underground. Also Close up and and All opening in the barn. Was wiped out the last time I tried.
I wouldn't kill over the chicken, but I would protect myself and my family.
What reall concerns me is after you told the neighbor, the dog was still loose. Sounds like you've got a winner for a neighbor!
Sorry for your chickens. By chance, do they have any animal control where you are at? I guess not, or you probably would have mentioned that? I don't blame you for wanting to shoot the dog. I can't stand those pit bulls anyway. That breed seems to have plenty of problems.
I have to diagree, I have had 5 pitbulls in my lifetime and it they are just like any other dog, it is all in how they are raised. Ask brickmaster he will tell you, when his son was 4 years old he was no my couch playing with my "ferociuos" pit bull. They just have a bad reputation due to the owners
In this area, if you called in a vicious animal to the sheriff dept., they would tell you to shoot it. Why bring in a third party? Brickmaster was a lot more lenient than I would have been. I would have killed the aggressive creature without thinking twice.
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While your pits may be tamed and good around the kids, the above link tells a fistfull of differnet stories. It is a review of all the animals linked to human deaths in the past few years. Of couse, we know that the media lies and some of this might not be true, but too many of the stories tell the tale that the family pit bull turned on the family member all of a sudden and killed them.
I have never owned a pit bull, and while you may be convinced that its all in the upbringing of an animal, some species are just prone to violence, I'm sure these folks thought their pits would never attack either.
Statistics don't always tell the truth either, but in their gatherings, they relate that Pits account for 45% of the attacks and fatal attacks on humans. Rotweillers account for 22%.
quote:Also, the dog growled and showed his teeth, not in his own property protecting his own family, but on someone else's home ground...
The dog could attack the kids, your spouse, and perhaps visitors to your home
I think most are forgetting one thing or didnt read it....The dog growled and bared his teeth while on SOMEONE else's property (namely brickmaters)....the dog wasnt even on his own property when he was showing aggression, now what would have happened if brickmaster did not come home when he did and his wife was to encounter that dog as she came from the back?...or perhaps the kids?...
Its one thing for the dog to protect his own home and family, but something totally different when showing aggression to the owner of someone else's property while on that persons property...(hope that is clear)
The dog is not to be trusted, and while I am, for the most part, against killing dogs etc there are times when it becomes necessary...this is not about the dead chicken any longer, it stopped being that when the dog was showing aggression to brickmaster while on brickmasters front porch...its now about an aggressive dog, one that I dont think would hesitate to bite...