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Might be a game changer

TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
edited January 2017 in General Discussion
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January 24, 2018

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  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Anyone here know about this weapon system and is it true or false

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    New U.S. Army Rifle!!!
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    The weapon has a range of roughly 7,800 feet - and is to be deployed in Afghanistan soon.
    I would call it the "Equalizer." Some call it the "Punisher".
    The rifle's gun sight uses a laser range finder to determine the exact distance to
    the obstruction, after which the soldier can add or subtract up to 10 meters from that
    distance to enable the bullets to clear the barrier and explode above or beside the target.
    Soldiers will be able to use them to target snipers hidden in trenches rather than calling in air strikes.
    The 35-millimeter round contains a chip that receives a radio signal from the gun sight as to the
    precise distance to the target.
    Lt. Col. Christopher Lehner, project manager for the system, described the weapon as a
    'game-changer' that other nations will try and copy.
    The Army plans to buy 42,500 of the MXT135 rifles this year, enough for every member
    of the infantry and special forces, at a cost of $11,900.00 each.
    Lehner told Fox News: "With this weapon system, we take away cover from
    [enemy targets] forever. Tactics are going to have to be rewritten.
    The only thing we can see [enemies] being able to do is run away."
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    Experts say the rifle means that enemy troops will no longer be safe if they take cover.
    The MXT135 appears to be the perfect weapon for street-to-street fighting that troops
    in Afghanistan have to engage in, with enemy fighters hiding behind walls and only
    breaking cover to fire occasionally.
    The weapon's laser finder would work out how far away the enemy was and then the
    U.S. Soldier would add one meter using a button near the trigger.
    When fired, the explosive round would carry exactly one meter past the wall and explode
    with the force of a hand grenade above the Taliban fighter.
    The army's project manager for new weapons, Douglas Tamilio, said: ''This is the first
    leap-ahead technology for troops that we've been able to develop and deploy."
    A patent granted to the bullet's maker, Alliant Tech systems, reveals that the chip
    can determine how far it has traveled. Mr. Tamilio said: "You could shoot a
    Javelin missile, and it would cost about $69,000.
    These rounds will end up costing $45.00 apiece."
    They're relatively cheap. Lehner added: "This is a game-changer.
    The enemy has learned to get cover, for hundreds if not thousands of years.
    Well, they can't do that anymore. We're taking that cover from them and there's
    only two outcomes: We're going to get you behind that cover or force you to flee."
    The rifle will initially use high-explosive rounds, but its makers say that it might later
    use versions with smaller explosive charges that aim to stun rather than kill.
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    This is what one of the revolutionary bullets looks like that can be pre-programmed
    to explode to hit troops that are hiding.
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    GO USA !!
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 10,461 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I watched a special on this a few months ago. (Military channel, sorry do not remember the name of the show.)
    I thought at the time, that that was amazing, and would be a game changer. The video footage and explanation of the process, was absolutely amazing.
  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    this would be perfect for Selectfire to hunt with, save on corn!
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Known as the AICW, development started about 2004. Article may be jumping the gun (pun intended).

    https://special-ops.org/weapons/rifle/aicw/
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't wait for mine.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Elmer Fudd would have loved one of these...
    "What is truth?'
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,516 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by woodhog
    this would be perfect for Selectfire to hunt with, save on corn!



    Not so. 45 dollars would be about 350-400 # of corn. I have a good enough sight on the Sig. Matter of fact I just put the same sight on the 25/06 but with a BDC not a MIL DOT. They have NO chance.
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    I watched a special on this a few months ago. (Military channel, sorry do not remember the name of the show.)
    I thought at the time, that that was amazing, and would be a game changer. The video footage and explanation of the process, was absolutely amazing.

    Chris and I watched that too. I rarely watch TV. Chris got me watching the military channel with him, once in a while, if something cool comes on.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    At $12,000 rifle that shoots bullets that cost $45 a piece....lol

    How much does this thing weight? How durable is it? It's designed to kill enemies holed up in cover....what about when they are advancing at you in the open? How fast can it be fired?
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It sounds good until the bad guys get them, but since I'm one of the good guys I want one.

    I agree with Rack Ops. It sounds like a pretty specialized weapon.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • nononsensenononsense Member Posts: 10,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TooBig,

    The original idea stems from an article in 2004 followed by the release of field testing around 2009/2010. Since then all the news has been limited to the folks who are notoriously known as 'bloggers'. No official reports and no spending contract from Congress for $504 BILLION dollars.

    I have heard of a few being tested in Afghanistan but re-supplying every boot on the ground with one is total fantasy. Besides, once the system hits a theatre the reward for the capture of one will be sky high and then they will have the same technology within a couple of years.

    Most of these 'reports' are a ploy to get points on the internet and social media.

    Best.
  • medic07medic07 Member Posts: 5,222 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The problems with any "smart" rifle that has electronic "enhancements" is:

    1. We are not teaching the Service Member how to shoot and be a rifleman

    2. The cost per unit is outrageous...we could buy a dozen M4s for one super rifle

    3. Weight...add more on and it weighs more. Increase the rifle weight and you need to sacrifice weight somewhere else (armor, ammo, food, water, IFAK)

    4. Loss of electronics. Damage it, dead batteries or an EMP that fries the electronics. Refer back to problem #1 and you have a guy/gal with a big heavy expensive club.

    Get back to basics and teach our people how to be riflemen and use larger caliber (6.5, 308, 50BMG) as applicable (and teach them to shoot those effectively)
  • dakotashooter2dakotashooter2 Member Posts: 6,186
    edited November -1
    Seems more likely to be a squad weapon. Having one for every grunt would seem like overkill. I agree too much dependency on technology.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    At $12,000 rifle that shoots bullets that cost $45 a piece....lol

    How much does this thing weight? How durable is it? It's designed to kill enemies holed up in cover....what about when they are advancing at you in the open? How fast can it be fired?


    My Question is how much will that Bullet cost once the Army Has the Rifles.

    Think of the Navy ship that can't shoot its big guns cause they cannot afford them now.
  • bigborefanbigborefan Member Posts: 159 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not actually the same but the Army has a 50 caliber Raufoss round that has a similar outcome but must hit a solid wall or barricade first. All the sniper needs to know is approx. where the bad guy is behind the wall and fire through the wall about where he or others are. The bullet has a tungsten inner point to penetrate the wall and then a delayed explosive that goes off after exiting the wall and shatters the bullet into shrapnel killing anyone in close vicinity on the other side of wall.
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by medic07
    The problems with any "smart" rifle that has electronic "enhancements" is:

    1. We are not teaching the Service Member how to shoot and be a rifleman

    It is for special use isn't it? Not to replace a rifle. A grenade doesn't replace a rifle.

    2. The cost per unit is outrageous...we could buy a dozen M4s for one super rifle

    Yeah but you only need a few of these per unit

    3. Weight...add more on and it weighs more. Increase the rifle weight and you need to sacrifice weight somewhere else (armor, ammo, food, water, IFAK)

    So does the machine gun

    4. Loss of electronics. Damage it, dead batteries or an EMP that fries the electronics. Refer back to problem #1 and you have a guy/gal with a big heavy expensive club.

    OK it breaks you still have all your other stuff including more expensive air strikes, how much electronics are on the aircraft?


    Get back to basics and teach our people how to be riflemen and use larger caliber (6.5, 308, 50BMG) as applicable (and teach them to shoot those effectively)
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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