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quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
quote:
Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by cartod:
Nonsense. There has to be some regulations on guns.
No. There does not have to be regulations nor should there exist any regulation due to the fact it is aginst the law (Constitution) to do so.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I read nothing in that regarding:
1) A 4473 form
2) legitimate sporting purpose
3) Permit to purchase, carry, or conceal
4) FOID card for firearms or ammo
5) Class III or AOW restrictions
Re-read it, and if you can find where it covers regulation of RTKBA, point it out for me. Thanks.
No regulations = chaos.
I see. You have resorted to using the same tactic as the liberals do, by distorting the first clause in the 2nd to mean something that it doesn't.
Just like a liberal, you can find a cloud in every silver lining.
4 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, who are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution voted in favor of government managed tyranny.
Amazing, this is being called a WIN. 4 people who should care about nothing except the sanctity of the country voted to sell you down the river, and now, here we are, Joe American gun owner who is happier than a pig in s-h-*-t because of it.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I've done my time and out on probation. [:I]
I just think no regulations at all would be chaos. We would have 14 year old gang members buying dynamite and uzis.
Probation is part of the problem. A person is either qualified to walk among us and be a citizen or he's not. If he's not qualified to be in society, take him out of it.
Not saying it is a good idea, but I bought dynamite when I was twelve years old. Usually for work, but also to play with.
However, if my mother knew Harry, Larry and Gary and I were going to the creek, she would always tell us to be careful with that dynamite.
4 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, who are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution voted in favor of government managed tyranny.
Amazing, this is being called a WIN. 4 people who should care about nothing except the sanctity of the country voted to sell you down the river, and now, here we are, Joe American gun owner who is happier than a pig in s-h-*-t because of it.
The other 5 members did NOTHING save affirm the completely unconstitutional hodgepodge of laws that we suffer under concerning guns in this country.
They no more upheld the Constitution then does the administration.
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Originally posted by Highball
Sorry, fellas..we (Americans) LOST...BIG time.
Far better they declared a total right to ban guns. You folks would understand, then...
posted by RogueStatesman:
Then Enlighten, Ole Wise One!!
Rogue,
A few of us know exactly what HB is saying, and I couldn't agree with him more.
When dealing with a monster, it is much easier to deal with him when he tries to devour you whole as opposed to when he takes just small "nibbles" at a time.
I understand that. However, I feel like today that the Pro-Gun movement took a bite out of the monster. One mid-sized bite.
Other battles must be won, however, we have achieved a wonderful victory in establishing that citizens HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS![;)][:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I meant to add that the United States survived my owning and using dynamite.
If only the crypts and the bloods had Moms like yours, it would be a much safer place. They would use the dynamite to blow off the back door of liquor store. .....instead of fishing with it like your suppose to.
I think it is very sad that 9 people who are supposed to judge the law, (NOT MAKE the LAW) can read something as clearly written as the second amendment and find (kind of) in favor on a 5 to 4 margin.
that is a sad statement about how twisted we have become as a society.
did anybody hear the little spoof on Glen Becks show where Ted the dollar store owner is advocating gun ownership in light of the other monumental decision this week? that it is "cruel and unusual" to put a child rapist to capital punishment.
I personally think the SC has failed us almost completely and am kind of in agreement with Highball, let them try and eat everybody at once so that enough people get angry and maybe some real core changes will come about.
this country's government, legislative, executive, and judicial branches are absolutely disgusting in how they have twisted and abused the constitution this nation was based on.
quote:let them try and eat everybody at once so that enough people get angry and maybe some real core changes will come about.
Too smart to try that, might get themselves eaten all at once.[;)]
hahah
Highball, I forgot what a poetic drama queen you are.....
a real patriot would no be putting down all of the other gun owners and would have already made his valiant last stand.
hahah
Highball, I forgot what a poetic drama queen you are.....
a real patriot would no be putting down all of the other gun owners and would have already made his valiant last stand.
you are a super badass!
Tsavo,
Not that I will attempt to defend him, because he is quite capable of doing that on his own, but why the animosity directed at HB?
He has done nothing but state the truth. 90% of the people on here are cutting cartwheels and breaking out the champagne bottles when there is absolutely no reason to do so. What happened today was a classic example of incrementalism.
I am happy that the good folks of D.C. got their wish, but when you look into the opinion of the court, it leaves the door wide * open for more restrictions. Had the court announced:
Government has absolutely no right to restrict/regulate RTKBA. NFA 34, GCA 68, HR 2640 are all null and void.
I would be dancing a jig. Unfortunately, that ain't the case. Had the SCOTUS handed down that decision, you would not have Fenty and Daley coming out with responses like, "Well, citizens can only have revolvers, not pistols" or "We can still regulate what people can have, and make them register them."
You see, people the likes of Fenty and Daley are already starting to disassemble the ruling. Why? Because the door was left wide open for them to do so, and believe me, they will.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
MVP & jonk,
While I admire your enthusiasm over the ruling, I believe you both are missing the point. The ruling is a first step alright, but in which direction? The door was clearly left open for goverment regulation of RTKBA. While I am happy that the good folks of D.C. will now have (on paper) the right to possess/own a pistol or revolver, what people fail to see is that right has been there since ratification of the BOR. The 2nd is clear and unambiguous, but politicians have tried to distort it. Government has no lawful authority to :
1) Regulate the possession of firearms
2) Regulate the sale of firearms
3) Regulate the transfer of firearms
4) Regulate the carry of firearms
5) regulate legality of firearms based on "type" or "legitimatacy"
Period.Nonsense. There has to be some regulations on guns.
I'm sorry friends, I just can not see this any other way than a VICTORY! I mean a security guard,(God love him), stood up against the "MAN", and the 32 year ban on firearms fell to pieces! Maybe now its time for another one of us to stand up and fight another monster nipping at our rights?
I mean did you really think the SC would just throw out ALL Gun Laws????? You have to admit there are some people in this country that should NEVER have a gun!!! And if the "Goverment" should not regulate who can and who can not......Who should?
You need to read the whole opinion of the court. In section 8 the Supreme Court said that the right to bear arms applied to wepons not used or designed for use in a military capacity. This means that the .223's, 9MM's, .45's, .50 BMG's etc. can be regulated and restricted as the state and city sees fit since they are and were designed for a military purpose (initially). Also in section 10, the term "bear" means to carry with the intent purpose of a confromtation (i.e., self defense). This also can be restricted and regulated as the state sees fit. So we can own a weapon, but the state can tell you which one and how to own it. This with a possible Democrat President coming in the end of the year could spell big problems for the pro-gun community.
Comments
quote:
Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by cartod:
Nonsense. There has to be some regulations on guns.
No. There does not have to be regulations nor should there exist any regulation due to the fact it is aginst the law (Constitution) to do so.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I read nothing in that regarding:
1) A 4473 form
2) legitimate sporting purpose
3) Permit to purchase, carry, or conceal
4) FOID card for firearms or ammo
5) Class III or AOW restrictions
Re-read it, and if you can find where it covers regulation of RTKBA, point it out for me. Thanks.
No regulations = chaos.
I see. You have resorted to using the same tactic as the liberals do, by distorting the first clause in the 2nd to mean something that it doesn't.
Just like a liberal, you can find a cloud in every silver lining.
Just like a liberal, you can find a cloud in every silver lining.
Or pervert/distort the truth in an attempt to make it say something it clearly doesn't.[:(!]
This is a temporary pass.
4 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, who are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution voted in favor of government managed tyranny.
Amazing, this is being called a WIN. 4 people who should care about nothing except the sanctity of the country voted to sell you down the river, and now, here we are, Joe American gun owner who is happier than a pig in s-h-*-t because of it.
I've done my time and out on probation. [:I]
I just think no regulations at all would be chaos. We would have 14 year old gang members buying dynamite and uzis.
Probation is part of the problem. A person is either qualified to walk among us and be a citizen or he's not. If he's not qualified to be in society, take him out of it.
Not saying it is a good idea, but I bought dynamite when I was twelve years old. Usually for work, but also to play with.
However, if my mother knew Harry, Larry and Gary and I were going to the creek, she would always tell us to be careful with that dynamite.
This is a temporary pass.
4 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, who are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution voted in favor of government managed tyranny.
Amazing, this is being called a WIN. 4 people who should care about nothing except the sanctity of the country voted to sell you down the river, and now, here we are, Joe American gun owner who is happier than a pig in s-h-*-t because of it.
The other 5 members did NOTHING save affirm the completely unconstitutional hodgepodge of laws that we suffer under concerning guns in this country.
They no more upheld the Constitution then does the administration.
Originally posted by Highball
Sorry, fellas..we (Americans) LOST...BIG time.
Far better they declared a total right to ban guns. You folks would understand, then...
posted by RogueStatesman:
Then Enlighten, Ole Wise One!!
Rogue,
A few of us know exactly what HB is saying, and I couldn't agree with him more.
When dealing with a monster, it is much easier to deal with him when he tries to devour you whole as opposed to when he takes just small "nibbles" at a time.
I understand that. However, I feel like today that the Pro-Gun movement took a bite out of the monster. One mid-sized bite.
Other battles must be won, however, we have achieved a wonderful victory in establishing that citizens HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS![;)][:D][:D][:D]
I meant to add that the United States survived my owning and using dynamite.
We were lucky I guess![:D]
I meant to add that the United States survived my owning and using dynamite.
If only the crypts and the bloods had Moms like yours, it would be a much safer place. They would use the dynamite to blow off the back door of liquor store. .....instead of fishing with it like your suppose to.
that is a sad statement about how twisted we have become as a society.
did anybody hear the little spoof on Glen Becks show where Ted the dollar store owner is advocating gun ownership in light of the other monumental decision this week? that it is "cruel and unusual" to put a child rapist to capital punishment.
I personally think the SC has failed us almost completely and am kind of in agreement with Highball, let them try and eat everybody at once so that enough people get angry and maybe some real core changes will come about.
this country's government, legislative, executive, and judicial branches are absolutely disgusting in how they have twisted and abused the constitution this nation was based on.
Here is a man that gets it. All the rotten stench from the halls of power...and the foul breath of tyranny that emanated from the highest court today.
Too smart to try that, might get themselves eaten all at once.[;)]
Highball, I forgot what a poetic drama queen you are.....
a real patriot would no be putting down all of the other gun owners and would have already made his valiant last stand.
you are a super badass!
hahah
Highball, I forgot what a poetic drama queen you are.....
a real patriot would no be putting down all of the other gun owners and would have already made his valiant last stand.
you are a super badass!
Tsavo,
Not that I will attempt to defend him, because he is quite capable of doing that on his own, but why the animosity directed at HB?
He has done nothing but state the truth. 90% of the people on here are cutting cartwheels and breaking out the champagne bottles when there is absolutely no reason to do so. What happened today was a classic example of incrementalism.
I am happy that the good folks of D.C. got their wish, but when you look into the opinion of the court, it leaves the door wide * open for more restrictions. Had the court announced:
Government has absolutely no right to restrict/regulate RTKBA. NFA 34, GCA 68, HR 2640 are all null and void.
I would be dancing a jig. Unfortunately, that ain't the case. Had the SCOTUS handed down that decision, you would not have Fenty and Daley coming out with responses like, "Well, citizens can only have revolvers, not pistols" or "We can still regulate what people can have, and make them register them."
You see, people the likes of Fenty and Daley are already starting to disassemble the ruling. Why? Because the door was left wide open for them to do so, and believe me, they will.
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
MVP & jonk,
While I admire your enthusiasm over the ruling, I believe you both are missing the point. The ruling is a first step alright, but in which direction? The door was clearly left open for goverment regulation of RTKBA. While I am happy that the good folks of D.C. will now have (on paper) the right to possess/own a pistol or revolver, what people fail to see is that right has been there since ratification of the BOR. The 2nd is clear and unambiguous, but politicians have tried to distort it. Government has no lawful authority to :
1) Regulate the possession of firearms
2) Regulate the sale of firearms
3) Regulate the transfer of firearms
4) Regulate the carry of firearms
5) regulate legality of firearms based on "type" or "legitimatacy"
Period.Nonsense. There has to be some regulations on guns.
BS![xx(][V]
I mean did you really think the SC would just throw out ALL Gun Laws????? You have to admit there are some people in this country that should NEVER have a gun!!! And if the "Goverment" should not regulate who can and who can not......Who should?
odentheviking, you're right, of course.