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Injured Marine wants Citizenship C&P

bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
edited August 2011 in General Discussion
This is an odd one:
HIDALGO COUNTY - He was one of the first Marines injured in the war in Iraq and spent nearly four years in the Marine Corps, but he can't get U.S. citizenship.

Manuel Espinoza has a Purple Heart, a Bronze Star Medal and even a Texas House Resolution honoring his sacrifice. But he doesn't have his U.S. citizenship.

"When you first join, they say that if you're not a citizen and you complete your first four years, the military helps you out trying to get your citizenship," says Espinoza.

He was discharged one and a half months shy of the four years, after a mortar attack left him seriously injured in Iraq. The injuries kept him from active duty and has so far kept him from his citizenship. The U.S. State Department denied his attempts to get citizenship.


"They say that I have improper documentation and that I have to resubmit everything. I have applied ever since. I just got frustrated again," he says.

For now, he's working with veterans' advocacy groups and has petitioned lawmakers in hopes of getting his citizenship. He remains in the country with a resident alien card.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Valley-Veteran-Battling-For-Citizenship/jZR-zSJHwkWwdVQIOweaqQ.cspx?hpt=us_bn5

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    trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    Not a good precedent ,when military service is being touted as one way to gain citizenship .
    If he is willing to fight ,I think he deserves it !
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    Wolf.Wolf. Member Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Texas, right? March into Austin and into the Statehouse and into his representative's and senator's offices. It's easy....it's Texas. Get those guys to get him in to see the Governor and get all those guys to hustle the Senators and representatives from Texas.

    Light a big enough fire under the right people and his citizenship will be granted very quickly.
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    torosapotorosapo Member Posts: 4,946
    edited November -1
    This is one case where citizenship should be expidited.
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    NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 16,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by torosapo
    This is one case where citizenship should be expidited.


    +100
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    4627046270 Member Posts: 12,627
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by trapguy2007
    Not a good precedent ,when military service is being touted as one way to gain citizenship .
    If he is willing to fight ,I think he deserves it !


    amen
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    Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,828 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought you had to be a citizen to join? I knew a guy from S. America who looked into joining the Navy and they sent him away. He was a legal resident Alien..
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    guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,187 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He doesn't want it "given" to him....by God, he earned it!

    There should be no question about this.
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    MMOMEQ-55MMOMEQ-55 Member Posts: 13,134
    edited November -1
    If this Marine doesn't deserve citizenship no one does. Purple Heart and a Bronze star, he should have no problem getting his citizenship.

    This country has really gone off the deep end. They want to give amnesty to all the illegals who cross over our borders yet this Marine almost gave all for this country and they don't give him his citizenship. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU WASHINGTON?[:(!]
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    cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In 2004 they started expediting citizenship for all military. One of my Marines, an immigrant from China was able to get his citizenship then. Espinoza must have slipped through the cracks.

    He should talk to his US Rep about this.

    US Citizenship is only mandatory for officers and those with security clearances. (I believe secret clearance may have dual citizenship, but TS must renounce any foreign citizenship).
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    11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CCE is correct. Our oldest son is now a retired US Marine, and for his first 10 years, was a British subject. Citizenship is not required for enlistment- legal residency IS.

    FWIW, back in the late 60s, young man that had served with the West German army emigrated to the US, and got drafted into the US Army. He was one of my NCOs. He was permitted to wear his German jump wings (award, not a decoration)

    The Marine in the OP should be the one that goes to the front of the line.
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    chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I remember correctly there was at least one in my unit in Vietnam. He was Canadian. There may have been others. Are residents of Puerto Rico and Guam US citizens?


    Give the marine US citizenship.
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    11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cholla- Puerto Rico is a US commonwealth- citizens. Guam, American Samoa, US Virgin Islands, etc are a territory. US Citizens.
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    grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 53,466
    edited November -1
    Actually the best thing that could happen did he is now in the news. Just needs to make National and that will happen if somebody can get it to their news. Hopefully this made it to Military.com I will check to see if it has.


    Checked and they did not have it there yet. I have found that if something like this happens and it is posted there for some reason things happen. So I posted it will checkin later to see what is going on.
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    nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,880 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the '60s I trained with 2 Filipinos from the 101 Airborne. Their deal was, serve 4 years, US citizenship was guaranteed. Good soldiers, good citizens. Anyone willing to serve like that deserves to be at the head of the line.

    Neal
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    spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,724 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    he should be walked thru and granted TOMORROW...
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    Alan RushingAlan Rushing Member Posts: 9,002 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Agreed for sure.

    It gets mighty, mighty stinky when promises are made and then not delivered upon.

    The US Military, the Pentagon and D.C. don't need this sort of stuff stirred-up.

    Not delivering on promises and playing military servicemen as patsies and/or fools is not the way to engender respect and trust.

    I'll hope someone with uncommon sense rectifies the situation promptly. [?]
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    yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 21,126 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So was he a "guest worker" in the Marines? Booting him is cheaper on the government and a black eye.

    This kind a reminds me of "Starship Trooper" join and earn your citizenship.
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    SturmgewehrSturmgewehr Member Posts: 4,420
    edited November -1
    Give him citizenship...
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    shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,815 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sturmgewehr
    Give him citizenship.. what he has rightfully earned.
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    jonkjonk Member Posts: 10,121
    edited November -1
    I am all for him getting citizenship; I still want him to have to pass the same tests and take the same oaths that any foreign national applying for citizenship would take, however.
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    While I think this guy should be granted citizenship... no question in my mind, I have serious reservations about allowing non-citizens to serve in our military. Don't the words espionage and quisling still mean anything?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,519 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as I am concerned, This MAN is entitled to a citizenship. He has earned it. His sacrifice and love of our country entitles him to a citizenship that other take for granite. Thank you sir for your sacrifice and duty to our great country. I concider you a true american.
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    A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jonk
    I am all for him getting citizenship; I still want him to have to pass the same tests and take the same oaths that any foreign national applying for citizenship would take, however.


    BS!

    He has already passed the test.

    He should be escorted to the head of the line, handed his citizenship on a silver platter and issued an apology for some pogue trying to hassle him.
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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
    It gets mighty, mighty stinky when promises are made and then not delivered upon.

    reading comprehension.

    as i understand it, the deal was serve four years and we'll do eveything we can to get you in; not serve less than 4 years and we'll guarantee your citizenship.

    i agree that if you're willing to fight and bleed and die for this country, you should without a doubt be fast tracked on the citizenship process. i would disagree with any skipping of the steps.

    this guy is without question deserving of citizenship, provided he's not a terrorist or other unfriendly type.
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    nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,880 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ummm, Ali Mohamed, top terrorist trainer for Al Qaeda, was permitted to join the US Army, & given access to Top Secret data, despite the fact that he had served as a major in the Egyptian Army.

    But, he got his citizenship the old fashioned way: he married an American.

    Maybe we need to do a better job of screening everyone.

    Neal
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    cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by KEVD18
    quote:Originally posted by Alan Rushing
    It gets mighty, mighty stinky when promises are made and then not delivered upon.

    reading comprehension.

    as i understand it, the deal was serve four years and we'll do eveything we can to get you in; not serve less than 4 years and we'll guarantee your citizenship.

    i agree that if you're willing to fight and bleed and die for this country, you should without a doubt be fast tracked on the citizenship process. i would disagree with any skipping of the steps.

    this guy is without question deserving of citizenship, provided he's not a terrorist or other unfriendly type.

    Try again:

    (from usmilitary.about.com)

    quote:Service During Hostilities : By Executive Order Number 13269, dated July 3, 2002, President Bush declared that all those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States at any time on or after September 11, 2001 until a date to be announced, are eligible to apply for naturalization in accordance with the service during hostilities statutory exception in Section 329 of the INA to the naturalization requirements. This means that individuals with even one day of honorable active duty service can apply for citizenship, regardless of how long they have been a resident. Note: Under this provision, individuals who apply for citizenship after discharge must present a DD Form 214, with service characterized as "Honorable," or "General." Those with other characterizations (including Entry Level Separation), are not eligible.


    I also take issue with the description of "injured" provided by the news article. If he has a purple heart, he was "wounded" not "injured."
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    11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,588 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neal, being married to a US citizen does NOT make you a citizen. My lady of 40 years is still a British subject. Black passport. Lion and unicorn on the cover. Portrait of the Queen on the mantle. Trust me on this one.
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    dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Too many "citizens" don't have the guts to fight for this country, but this man does and wants to be a citizen.

    He gets my vote.
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    LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by chollagardens
    If I remember correctly there was at least one in my unit in Vietnam. He was Canadian. There may have been others. Are residents of Puerto Rico and Guam US citizens?

    Puerto Rico and Guam are US territories. They are considered citizen's and can join the Military.

    They can draw Welfare, get medical cards and free government handouts from the US. The kicker is. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY A SINGLE DIME IN US TAXES. The citizens of Puerto Rico have voted down becoming the 51st US state a few times due to that very reason.
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