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quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
quote:Originally posted by bullshot
Open carry is a bad idea all around. Makes you the first target of good and bad guys alike and in general, makes everyone feel uncomfortable.
When I'm in an open carry state and I see someone carrying, I can't help but wonder to myself "is this a good thing or is the s__t getting ready to hit the fan.
I think that smart, trained and informed people carry their weapon concealed. No better advantage than that of surprise.
I wrote a big long reply to this, but then thought better of it. In its place I'll just say...
That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you feel that way.
And here I go again, quoting myself from that thread.
"At what point did having to ask permission to carry a firearm concealed take precedence over the right to carry however you want to? It's a question that shouldn't even have to be asked, but apparently some of you need a refresher.
The only thing that ever hurt open carry, and the 2nd as a whole, were and are the people that grasp the concept of neither."
Makes sense to me, so why do people such as yourself appear to question freedom, and the purest form of it; being able to arm and protect yourself by whatever means you choose, concealed or open. Some people don't do it, so nobody should, right?
We all live under the same Constitution, and live with the same rights. Singling out one right, and knowingly nitpicking it into either obsolescence, or outright cancellation, isn't something I care to practice. Matter of fact, I refuse to. My rights don't end where your unfounded paranoia begins.
Again, I ask; exactly where do your loyalties lie, anyway? You are not alone in needing to answer such questions, in a way that doesn't immediately make people such as myself wonder just how you came to the conclusion of how deep the hole needed to be, before you jammed your head down in it.
You're welcome !!!
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
I don't care either way. We can open carry here in Texas with a permit. I carry concealed, but one son commonly open carries. As a family, we were all in a Denny's eating breakfast one Sunday morning when visiting my daughter in Houston. We had a large group (19) and had a place in the back room. The waiter asked my son if he had a carry permit and asked to see it. He obliged and the waiter said he just wanted to check. My son laughed and asked if he was going to check everyone else. When the guy said no, we all just grinned. Everyone but my grandkids were carrying....
I just drop the little custom Colt Mustang down in my pocket (shorts, jeans, whatever) and go on about my business....
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
Yeah, but if you had dinner with him he was a really nice self-effacing guy who made perfect sense.
I've seen a couple people carry openly,both were carrying small framed Glocks in a holster, I could barely tell that they had it because both were wearing black pants. so. Most people wouldn't notice you were carrying openly as long as the small semi automatic and it blended in with the color of your pants. So if you're going to be carrying a stainless steell pissed and don't want it to be so noticeable where silver metallic pants[:D]
I've seen a couple people carry openly,both were carrying small framed Glocks in a holster, I could barely tell that they had it because both were wearing black pants. so. Most people wouldn't notice you were carrying openly as long as the small semi automatic and it blended in with the color of your pants. So if you're going to be carrying a stainless steell pissed and don't want it to be so noticeable where silver metallic pants[:D]
Open carry is legal here in Texas and as far as I'm concerned it is just a personal choice. The only folks here that I have seen open carry are LEOs.
I carry concealed simply because I just think it is tactical advantage. I have a love affair with 1911s so I carry Condition 1 most of the time...if I am in Shorts and T-shirt I just put my S&W Mod 36 38spcl in my pocket with an empty cylinder under the hammer since mine predates the hammer block.
Just as important, if not more so, is your level of Situational Awareness. I'm not paranoid but I am at the Yellow Alert most of the time...Relaxed but Aware...and I never sit with my back to a door or window in public...and folks overly dressed in warm weather really get my attention.[:D] The Navy in the 1950s had very odd ways of teaching Situational Awareness...odd but effective.
The Navy in the 1950s had very odd ways of teaching Situational Awareness...odd but effective.
Callktulu,
Please elaborate.
While in boot camp, the DI (while reading a newspaper) had several of us dig a rather large pit 8x8x6 feet and then had us fill in without an explanation...while we were filling it back up he tossed the newspaper in the hole.
After filling the hole and patting it down and replacing the sod, he asked us what the headlines were on the newspaper. When we didn't have clue, he told us to dig the newspaper up and read it...A real WTH moment.
Other times we might individually get asked to describe some seemingly insignificant occurrence while marching to a class or happening in the mess hall....a no answer might get you some push up time...generally 25 to 50.
Suffice it to say, after a couple of episodes like these you quickly figured out it was in your best interest to pay attention to what was going on around you...regardless of whether or not you were personally involved...I just never got out of the habit.
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
Why? Because I choose to not display my * in public does not make me less of a man. I would prefer to be more like Navy Seals. They are not noticed or seen to be any danger to the bad guys until it is too late for the bad guys to do anything about it.
I am not on my bended knees kowtowing to the Elite Masters.
I am trying to be smart about being armed, not draw attention to myself and blend in with the crowd.
If, God above please forbid, I ever am forced to pull my gun I want nothing fair about the issue. I want to win and that means the aggressor gets shot not me. His not knowing I am armed gives me a one up over him.
My practiced response time is about 0.5 to 0.8 (give or take) of a second. Response time by LEOs might run 15 minutes or longer...It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
By the same token, folks that don't carry may not like to have fire extinguishers around, after all you can always call the fire department.[:D]
But like someone else said, "Hey, after all this is America, Land of the Free, so you can do whatever floats your boat."
While in boot camp, the DI (while reading a newspaper) had several of us dig a rather large pit 8x8x6 feet and then had us fill in without an explanation...while we were filling it back up he tossed the newspaper in the hole.
After filling the hole and patting it down and replacing the sod, he asked us what the headlines were on the newspaper. When we didn't have clue, he told us to dig the newspaper up and read it...A real WTH moment.
Other times we might individually get asked to describe some seemingly insignificant occurrence while marching to a class or happening in the mess hall....a no answer might get you some push up time...generally 25 to 50.
Suffice it to say, after a couple of episodes like these you quickly figured out it was in your best interest to pay attention to what was going on around you...regardless of whether or not you were personally involved...I just never got out of the habit.
quote:Originally posted by callktulu
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
You can openly carry a rifle in any state where the open carry of a rifle is not prohibited, including some states where open carry of handguns is prohibited.
You'd have to check the specific state to find out.
From what I understand, unlicensed long gun open carry is legal in more states than unlicensed handgun open carry.
quote:Originally posted by penguin
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Your perception has been vastly underestimated.
There are doers and there are talkers.
When a topic like a homeowner blowing away a burglar or home invader comes up, the talkers concentrate on how much trouble the homeowner is in and all the problems he'll face.
The doers * about getting the blood out of the carpet.
About 60% here I wouldn't trust with a potato gun, a few would go the distance.
quote:Originally posted by penguin
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Your superiority complex remains unsubstantiated.
An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
quote:Originally posted by penguin
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Hey! some of us just want to be tacticool, don't for get us in your senseless condemnation.[:(!]
And here I go again, quoting myself from that thread.
"At what point did having to ask permission to carry a firearm concealed take precedence over the right to carry however you want to? It's a question that shouldn't even have to be asked, but apparently some of you need a refresher.
The only thing that ever hurt open carry, and the 2nd as a whole, were and are the people that grasp the concept of neither."
Makes sense to me, so why do people such as yourself appear to question freedom, and the purest form of it; being able to arm and protect yourself by whatever means you choose, concealed or open. Some people don't do it, so nobody should, right?
We all live under the same Constitution, and live with the same rights. Singling out one right, and knowingly nitpicking it into either obsolescence, or outright cancellation, isn't something I care to practice. Matter of fact, I refuse to. My rights don't end where your unfounded paranoia begins.
Again, I ask; exactly where do your loyalties lie, anyway? You are not alone in needing to answer such questions, in a way that doesn't immediately make people such as myself wonder just how you came to the conclusion of how deep the hole needed to be, before you jammed your head down in it.
So, I'm resurrecting this thread because I open carried this evening (living in CO, open carry is legal w/o permit).
On a whim while driving to a public social function, I decided to grab my holster out of the glove compartment and put my car's S&W 327 onto my hip. The restaurant/bar had no signs on their doors restricting weapons, so I proceeded inside.
No one said a damn thing, and I was standing in the bar area for over 2 hours. Only when I left to leave, one of my Academy classmates asked (obviously tongue-in-cheek), "What's that on your hip?" And even then no one else bothered to say anything. I think I'll exercise more often from now on...[8D][:p]
I personally think open carry deters crime. If a criminal sees someone open carry in a store, he'll go to a different store that has easier pickings. Criminals are criminals because they don't want to work. And they don't want to be in a gun fight. There's just to many other places around to rob to chance being shot
quote:Originally posted by callktulu
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
You can in Washington State and it has caused some problems for those that have in Vancouver. It's not done often though. After the city of Bellingham was sued and lost because the PD was harassing lawful open carry people, most cities in Washington made their LEO's go through some training on how to deal with open carry citizens so they don't get sued for violating rights. While I support a persons right to carry, I don't think open carry of long guns is a great idea. Could set yourself up to get blasted by someone who thinks you are an active shooter. I also don't like open carry of long guns in public because I have been to events with guys doing it who are clueless about muzzle control. Carrying a gun is about protecting yourself and family...not showing off which is what SOME of the long gun open carry people are doing.
quote:Originally posted by penguin
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
That's your narcissism speaking. You think everybody is just like you. And think just the way you think...
I'm here to tell you you're wrong on so many levels.
I have never carried openly or concealed. But the way the worlds heading, I'm thinking strongly about it. If it weren't for liberal nut cases like you, I would never carry. But sadly liberal nut cases like you are becoming more of the norm then the exception. So I might just start to carry to protect myself against nut jobs like you.
And trust me, it doesn't have anything to do with feeling like a cowboy, or PI, or Rambo. It has to do with protecting myself against nut jobs like you
So why don't you build a bridge and get over yourself
Have to go along with retroxler58 on this one .I do open carry sometimes during hunting season in my neighborhood and when fishing .If I a going to town around the snowflakes and transplants from up yonder generally carry concealed
Open carry is a bad idea all around. Makes you the first target of good and bad guys alike and in general, makes everyone feel uncomfortable.
When I'm in an open carry state and I see someone carrying, I can't help but wonder to myself "is this a good thing or is the s__t getting ready to hit the fan.
I think that smart, trained and informed people carry their weapon concealed. No better advantage than that of surprise.
quote:Originally posted by penguin
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Why are you even a member of this forum? You consistently troll and attempt to undermine and/or stir the pot just for apparent poops & giggles. How old are you (mentally) that you consider this being a constructive part of our society?
I open carried lots back in the 80's and early 90's but here in PA it faded away more and more and even though I was open carry at times I still concealed another, today I conceal carry because it's easier and no one looks at you funny but during hunting seasons I open carry ans sometimes during fishing season I will also just easier for me.
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quote:Originally posted by bullshot
Open carry is a bad idea all around. Makes you the first target of good and bad guys alike and in general, makes everyone feel uncomfortable.
When I'm in an open carry state and I see someone carrying, I can't help but wonder to myself "is this a good thing or is the s__t getting ready to hit the fan.
I think that smart, trained and informed people carry their weapon concealed. No better advantage than that of surprise.
I wrote a big long reply to this, but then thought better of it. In its place I'll just say...
That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you feel that way.
Yep! Thanks for saving me the trouble.
OK :
here we go again ???
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=686300
Thanks !!!
And here I go again, quoting myself from that thread.
"At what point did having to ask permission to carry a firearm concealed take precedence over the right to carry however you want to? It's a question that shouldn't even have to be asked, but apparently some of you need a refresher.
The only thing that ever hurt open carry, and the 2nd as a whole, were and are the people that grasp the concept of neither."
Makes sense to me, so why do people such as yourself appear to question freedom, and the purest form of it; being able to arm and protect yourself by whatever means you choose, concealed or open. Some people don't do it, so nobody should, right?
We all live under the same Constitution, and live with the same rights. Singling out one right, and knowingly nitpicking it into either obsolescence, or outright cancellation, isn't something I care to practice. Matter of fact, I refuse to. My rights don't end where your unfounded paranoia begins.
Again, I ask; exactly where do your loyalties lie, anyway? You are not alone in needing to answer such questions, in a way that doesn't immediately make people such as myself wonder just how you came to the conclusion of how deep the hole needed to be, before you jammed your head down in it.
You're welcome !!!
I just drop the little custom Colt Mustang down in my pocket (shorts, jeans, whatever) and go on about my business....
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
Yeah, but if you had dinner with him he was a really nice self-effacing guy who made perfect sense.
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
Yeah, but if you had dinner with him he was a really nice self-effacing guy who made perfect sense.
I miss his input, still.
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
Well obviously New Mexico allows only Winchester long arms.[^]
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
Here in Oklahoma we have Open Carry, but we are restricted to handguns. In some other places, yes you can.
I carry concealed simply because I just think it is tactical advantage. I have a love affair with 1911s so I carry Condition 1 most of the time...if I am in Shorts and T-shirt I just put my S&W Mod 36 38spcl in my pocket with an empty cylinder under the hammer since mine predates the hammer block.
Just as important, if not more so, is your level of Situational Awareness. I'm not paranoid but I am at the Yellow Alert most of the time...Relaxed but Aware...and I never sit with my back to a door or window in public...and folks overly dressed in warm weather really get my attention.[:D] The Navy in the 1950s had very odd ways of teaching Situational Awareness...odd but effective.
The Navy in the 1950s had very odd ways of teaching Situational Awareness...odd but effective.
Please elaborate.
The Navy in the 1950s had very odd ways of teaching Situational Awareness...odd but effective.
Callktulu,
Please elaborate.
While in boot camp, the DI (while reading a newspaper) had several of us dig a rather large pit 8x8x6 feet and then had us fill in without an explanation...while we were filling it back up he tossed the newspaper in the hole.
After filling the hole and patting it down and replacing the sod, he asked us what the headlines were on the newspaper. When we didn't have clue, he told us to dig the newspaper up and read it...A real WTH moment.
Other times we might individually get asked to describe some seemingly insignificant occurrence while marching to a class or happening in the mess hall....a no answer might get you some push up time...generally 25 to 50.
Suffice it to say, after a couple of episodes like these you quickly figured out it was in your best interest to pay attention to what was going on around you...regardless of whether or not you were personally involved...I just never got out of the habit.
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
Why? Because I choose to not display my * in public does not make me less of a man. I would prefer to be more like Navy Seals. They are not noticed or seen to be any danger to the bad guys until it is too late for the bad guys to do anything about it.
I am not on my bended knees kowtowing to the Elite Masters.
I am trying to be smart about being armed, not draw attention to myself and blend in with the crowd.
If, God above please forbid, I ever am forced to pull my gun I want nothing fair about the issue. I want to win and that means the aggressor gets shot not me. His not knowing I am armed gives me a one up over him.
My practiced response time is about 0.5 to 0.8 (give or take) of a second. Response time by LEOs might run 15 minutes or longer...It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
By the same token, folks that don't carry may not like to have fire extinguishers around, after all you can always call the fire department.[:D]
But like someone else said, "Hey, after all this is America, Land of the Free, so you can do whatever floats your boat."
While in boot camp, the DI (while reading a newspaper) had several of us dig a rather large pit 8x8x6 feet and then had us fill in without an explanation...while we were filling it back up he tossed the newspaper in the hole.
After filling the hole and patting it down and replacing the sod, he asked us what the headlines were on the newspaper. When we didn't have clue, he told us to dig the newspaper up and read it...A real WTH moment.
Other times we might individually get asked to describe some seemingly insignificant occurrence while marching to a class or happening in the mess hall....a no answer might get you some push up time...generally 25 to 50.
Suffice it to say, after a couple of episodes like these you quickly figured out it was in your best interest to pay attention to what was going on around you...regardless of whether or not you were personally involved...I just never got out of the habit.
Good stuff, thanks!
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
You can openly carry a rifle in any state where the open carry of a rifle is not prohibited, including some states where open carry of handguns is prohibited.
You'd have to check the specific state to find out.
From what I understand, unlicensed long gun open carry is legal in more states than unlicensed handgun open carry.
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Your perception has been vastly underestimated.
There are doers and there are talkers.
When a topic like a homeowner blowing away a burglar or home invader comes up, the talkers concentrate on how much trouble the homeowner is in and all the problems he'll face.
The doers * about getting the blood out of the carpet.
About 60% here I wouldn't trust with a potato gun, a few would go the distance.
While it is legal here to open carry (with a permit) I never do in public. That makes you a target.
I would be interested to see how many people carrying open where it is legal have been selected as a target?
A good read if nothing else
http://nationalenquirer.com/2015/04/22/the-pro-liberty-choice-dispelling-the-myths-of-open-carry/
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Your superiority complex remains unsubstantiated.
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Hey! some of us just want to be tacticool, don't for get us in your senseless condemnation.[:(!]
quote:Originally posted by Aztngundoc22
OK :
here we go again ???
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=686300
Thanks !!!
And here I go again, quoting myself from that thread.
"At what point did having to ask permission to carry a firearm concealed take precedence over the right to carry however you want to? It's a question that shouldn't even have to be asked, but apparently some of you need a refresher.
The only thing that ever hurt open carry, and the 2nd as a whole, were and are the people that grasp the concept of neither."
Makes sense to me, so why do people such as yourself appear to question freedom, and the purest form of it; being able to arm and protect yourself by whatever means you choose, concealed or open. Some people don't do it, so nobody should, right?
We all live under the same Constitution, and live with the same rights. Singling out one right, and knowingly nitpicking it into either obsolescence, or outright cancellation, isn't something I care to practice. Matter of fact, I refuse to. My rights don't end where your unfounded paranoia begins.
Again, I ask; exactly where do your loyalties lie, anyway? You are not alone in needing to answer such questions, in a way that doesn't immediately make people such as myself wonder just how you came to the conclusion of how deep the hole needed to be, before you jammed your head down in it.
You're welcome !!!
Best post of the thread, in my opinion.
I don't for the reasons already stated.
Concealed carry gives me the upper hand in any instance I would need a gun.
I have the element of surprise and can choose the moment.
No need to feel macho or any desire to be the target.
I wish Highball were here. Some of you would shuffle off with your tail between your legs, talking to yourself.
+1000
On a whim while driving to a public social function, I decided to grab my holster out of the glove compartment and put my car's S&W 327 onto my hip. The restaurant/bar had no signs on their doors restricting weapons, so I proceeded inside.
No one said a damn thing, and I was standing in the bar area for over 2 hours. Only when I left to leave, one of my Academy classmates asked (obviously tongue-in-cheek), "What's that on your hip?" And even then no one else bothered to say anything. I think I'll exercise more often from now on...[8D][:p]
So in Open Carry states, can you walk around with an AR or an M1A strapped around your shoulder?
You can in Washington State and it has caused some problems for those that have in Vancouver. It's not done often though. After the city of Bellingham was sued and lost because the PD was harassing lawful open carry people, most cities in Washington made their LEO's go through some training on how to deal with open carry citizens so they don't get sued for violating rights. While I support a persons right to carry, I don't think open carry of long guns is a great idea. Could set yourself up to get blasted by someone who thinks you are an active shooter. I also don't like open carry of long guns in public because I have been to events with guys doing it who are clueless about muzzle control. Carrying a gun is about protecting yourself and family...not showing off which is what SOME of the long gun open carry people are doing.
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
That's your narcissism speaking. You think everybody is just like you. And think just the way you think...
I'm here to tell you you're wrong on so many levels.
I have never carried openly or concealed. But the way the worlds heading, I'm thinking strongly about it. If it weren't for liberal nut cases like you, I would never carry. But sadly liberal nut cases like you are becoming more of the norm then the exception. So I might just start to carry to protect myself against nut jobs like you.
And trust me, it doesn't have anything to do with feeling like a cowboy, or PI, or Rambo. It has to do with protecting myself against nut jobs like you
So why don't you build a bridge and get over yourself
Open carry is a bad idea all around. Makes you the first target of good and bad guys alike and in general, makes everyone feel uncomfortable.
When I'm in an open carry state and I see someone carrying, I can't help but wonder to myself "is this a good thing or is the s__t getting ready to hit the fan.
I think that smart, trained and informed people carry their weapon concealed. No better advantage than that of surprise.
101% agree.
Do whatever makes you safer.
Some of youj guys sound like a bunch of frustrated rednecks. I would guess easily half of you "carry" just to feel like a P.I. or cowboy. Get over yourselves.
Why are you even a member of this forum? You consistently troll and attempt to undermine and/or stir the pot just for apparent poops & giggles. How old are you (mentally) that you consider this being a constructive part of our society?
My dad open carries everywhere. Nobody ever says anything.