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Texas open carry
Big Sky Redneck
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I suppose I was not able to walk very fast......making it quite easy!
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Too old to live...too young to die...
I thought OC was illegal in TX?
......only in your kitchen!
Long overdue for Texas to get its gun laws fixed up right.
I think I'm one of the few here in Texas that thinks open carry is a bad idea. I don't have any problem with it being legal, but I personally would never open carry.
Just curious, but why????? I will also state that I agree with you, but will wait for your answer. I want to see if you are thinking along the same lines as me. Oakie
I think I'm one of the few here in Texas that thinks open carry is a bad idea. I don't have any problem with it being legal, but I personally would never open carry.
Generally I prefer to carry concealed. I believe there are potential advantages in it. All of which have been endlessly debated in these and many other forums I follow from time to time.
Even so, openly carrying is a natural Right. To ban open carrying of firearms is an infringement of the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
On the other hand, there are times, places, manner of openly carrying and specific persons who's choices and actions are politically self defeating for Second Amendment proponents. We have all seen photos of some of these people. Again they have been endlessly debated in too many pro-gun forums to count.
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I have heard the concerns of "the bad guy will target you first" scenario. If open carry was legal, I am betting there would be more than just me open carrying and the bad guy would most likely go find another place to attempt to rob.
Why do LEOs, both in uniform and plain clothes, carry openly?
1. It is a deterrent to crime if criminals see good people with guns ready to stop them.
2. Reaction time to present weapon is much faster than having to remove layers of clothing from said weapon to get a hand on it.
I see another benefit of open carry. Enough good people doing it, and maybe just possibly we can turn the tide of negative thinking about firearms.
I have gone to some of the Open Carry rallies here in TX and while most of the people are good and present a favorable image, I have also seen the groups of guys that come out all "tactical" looking which actually turns some who are the fence to oppose firearms.
Too many empty magwells, but other than that, it's a good start.
Think if he had them filled his pants would stay up. Suspenders would even be straining.
The only danger to society is bad behavior, not how those with good behavior carry. I worry about the guy waving a gun around in the supermarket & yelling "Allahuh Akbar", not the guy minding his own business with or without a gun.
Neal
fast true story
before the place I use to work ban have having any guns on the property , a lot of gun racks in the trucks , in the parking lot with guns in them , I know crazy idea , but its a rural area countless hunters and target shooters work there .
one of the big dogs up front was telling us a story about a fellow from NY interviewing for a engineer position , told him he was scared when he came driving thru the parking lot, He had never seen so many firearms , he grew up in a bigger city and guns had one use shoot some one [:(!] the idea we had them and in the open was just a shock to him. the manager said he smiled and explained in Ohio it was a way of life especially where we were ,
I think I'm one of the few here in Texas that thinks open carry is a bad idea. I don't have any problem with it being legal, but I personally would never open carry.
I second that.
I have no problem with open carry.
I have heard the concerns of "the bad guy will target you first" scenario. If open carry was legal, I am betting there would be more than just me open carrying and the bad guy would most likely go find another place to attempt to rob.
I agree with this in principal but not in practice. In reality, the guy on offense has the advantage as they know when and where they will strike. Finding yourself on defense is bad enough but finding yourself on defense and targeted specifically because you are armed sucks.
I do agree that the flip side of this is that someone seeing you open carry may be enough to change their plans. I don't know that I want to gamble on being the visible deterrent as opposed to the first target.
Come on guys, those myths are debunked daily, in 44 states.
The big myth is that concealed carry would make the streets run red with blood because there would be too many guns. This myth has been disproved because those that go through the effort to get a concealed carry permit are not the psychopaths the media would like everyone to think.
The difference is that those who would commit those crimes may very well be the psychopaths we've been warned about. You can predict with some degree of confidence the actions in general of the man that attempts to follow the law. You cannot do the same of the psychopath.
The odds of actually encountering a psychopath in out day to day encounters are admittedly slim. Should one have such an encounter then every advantage you can muster will work in your favor.
It may sound like paranoia to some, or just a wild myth to others. As for me, I prefer to keep my advantage secret.
The problem with laws that ban open carry is that it's too easy for a CCW to accidentally reveal his gun, whether a jacket blows open, or light clothing gets pushed aside on a hot day, & an innocent person is now open to a charge of illegal open carry.
The only danger to society is bad behavior, not how those with good behavior carry. I worry about the guy waving a gun around in the supermarket & yelling "Allahuh Akbar", not the guy minding his own business with or without a gun.
Neal
Here in Georgia if you have a weapons permit then open and concealed carry are allowed. Also includes automatic knives.
I was looking for the law that banned open carry on handgns in Texas and found one reference that dates back to carpetbag days during reconstruction. News to me since lots of folks open carried handguns in East Texas when I was growing up. So much for enforcing laws born on the heels of the War Between The States and the next hundred years. [:D]
Yeah, been illegal in Texas since reconstruction, but most Texans, including law enforcement, didn't believe it or didn't notice or didn't care. [:D]
The problem with laws that ban open carry is that it's too easy for a CCW to accidentally reveal his gun, whether a jacket blows open, or light clothing gets pushed aside on a hot day, & an innocent person is now open to a charge of illegal open carry.
The wife accidentally revealed hers at a Walmart while standing in front of a LEO, he tapped her on the shoulder and told her he could see her pistol and she should do a better job of keeping it "concealed". I guess it would depend on the LEO and his thoughts on keeping it concealed or who else may have seen it.
OK with open carry, hand gun fine, but not an AR slung over the shoulder.!
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I think I'm one of the few here in Texas that thinks open carry is a bad idea. I don't have any problem with it being legal, but I personally would never open carry.
Just curious, but why????? I will also state that I agree with you, but will wait for your answer. I want to see if you are thinking along the same lines as me. Oakie
I just feel like you lose the element of surprise if someone knows you have a gun. I don't like everyone in a public setting knowing I am armed. It's personal preference, if some feel the need to open carry, I fully believe they have the right to.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
I was looking for the law that banned open carry on handgns in Texas and found one reference that dates back to carpetbag days during reconstruction. News to me since lots of folks open carried handguns in East Texas when I was growing up. So much for enforcing laws born on the heels of the War Between The States and the next hundred years. [:D]
Yeah, been illegal in Texas since reconstruction, but most Texans, including law enforcement, didn't believe it or didn't notice or didn't care. [:D]
I think you're right James, and that was likely the general feeling throughout most of the south. [^]
quote:Originally posted by nmyers
The problem with laws that ban open carry is that it's too easy for a CCW to accidentally reveal his gun, whether a jacket blows open, or light clothing gets pushed aside on a hot day, & an innocent person is now open to a charge of illegal open carry.
The wife accidentally revealed hers at a Walmart while standing in front of a LEO, he tapped her on the shoulder and told her he could see her pistol and she should do a better job of keeping it "concealed". I guess it would depend on the LEO and his thoughts on keeping it concealed or who else may have seen it.
OK with open carry, hand gun fine, but not an AR slung over the shoulder.!
Why not? What if the gun is the only one that a person has?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
Come on guys, those myths are debunked daily, in 44 states.
The big myth is that concealed carry would make the streets run red with blood because there would be too many guns. This myth has been disproved because those that go through the effort to get a concealed carry permit are not the psychopaths the media would like everyone to think.
The difference is that those who would commit those crimes may very well be the psychopaths we've been warned about. You can predict with some degree of confidence the actions in general of the man that attempts to follow the law. You cannot do the same of the psychopath.
The odds of actually encountering a psychopath in out day to day encounters are admittedly slim. Should one have such an encounter then every advantage you can muster will work in your favor.
It may sound like paranoia to some, or just a wild myth to others. As for me, I prefer to keep my advantage secret.
Yeah, and how is that secret advantage going to help you when you're attacked by that psychopath that you were just talking about, that attacks and kills you without warning?
Most of the dreamed up scenarios that "prove" that open carry will get someone killed also "prove" that concealed carry will also get him killed.
quote:Originally posted by Bosketti
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
Come on guys, those myths are debunked daily, in 44 states.
The big myth is that concealed carry would make the streets run red with blood because there would be too many guns. This myth has been disproved because those that go through the effort to get a concealed carry permit are not the psychopaths the media would like everyone to think.
The difference is that those who would commit those crimes may very well be the psychopaths we've been warned about. You can predict with some degree of confidence the actions in general of the man that attempts to follow the law. You cannot do the same of the psychopath.
The odds of actually encountering a psychopath in out day to day encounters are admittedly slim. Should one have such an encounter then every advantage you can muster will work in your favor.
It may sound like paranoia to some, or just a wild myth to others. As for me, I prefer to keep my advantage secret.
Yeah, and how is that secret advantage going to help you when you're attacked by that psychopath that you were just talking about, that attacks and kills you without warning?
Most of the dreamed up scenarios that "prove" that open carry will get someone killed also "prove" that concealed carry will also get him killed.
You are correct. The concealed carry person can be targeted just as easily. But hopefully not for the same reason. Concealed carry does not make you bullet proof. It just means that your are not advertising that you are willing to fight back. It is true that open carry may deter someone. It may even make your response time quicker. I stand by my preferences for the reasons I have stated.
There is also the added benefit of not alerting the mamby pamby innocents who are afraid of guns because they always jump out and kill people at random that I am in position of one.
I don't have a problem with someone's choice to responsibly open carry, I just don't care to follow suit.
What if open carry was more prevalent?
Instead of encountering 1 open carrier who could be initially targeted, what if the criminal saw 3 or 4.
Seems to me this would be the best form of deterrence
The usual argument against open carry is that it provides an advantage to an attacker because they now know who to target first.
What if open carry was more prevalent?
Instead of encountering 1 open carrier who could be initially targeted, what if the criminal saw 3 or 4.
Seems to me this would be the best form of deterrence
The usual argument lacks substance, IMO. I have no doubt that one who open carries is keenly aware of his presence, probably much more so than anyone that carries concealed. And individuals bent on trouble will most always steer clear of such a person.
Rack, you're thinking like me on the 3 or four issue too. Maybe that's the Marine in us.
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
quote:Originally posted by Bosketti
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
Come on guys, those myths are debunked daily, in 44 states.
The big myth is that concealed carry would make the streets run red with blood because there would be too many guns. This myth has been disproved because those that go through the effort to get a concealed carry permit are not the psychopaths the media would like everyone to think.
The difference is that those who would commit those crimes may very well be the psychopaths we've been warned about. You can predict with some degree of confidence the actions in general of the man that attempts to follow the law. You cannot do the same of the psychopath.
The odds of actually encountering a psychopath in out day to day encounters are admittedly slim. Should one have such an encounter then every advantage you can muster will work in your favor.
It may sound like paranoia to some, or just a wild myth to others. As for me, I prefer to keep my advantage secret.
Yeah, and how is that secret advantage going to help you when you're attacked by that psychopath that you were just talking about, that attacks and kills you without warning?
Most of the dreamed up scenarios that "prove" that open carry will get someone killed also "prove" that concealed carry will also get him killed.
You are correct. The concealed carry person can be targeted just as easily. But hopefully not for the same reason.
Why is the reason for the attack important? quote:
Concealed carry does not make you bullet proof. It just means that your are not advertising that you are willing to fight back. It is true that open carry may deter someone. It may even make your response time quicker. I stand by my preferences for the reasons I have stated.
There is also the added benefit of not alerting the mamby pamby innocents who are afraid of guns because they always jump out and kill people at random that I am in position of one.
That's actually one of the things I like about open carry. the "mamby pamby innocents who are afraid of guns because they always jump out and kill people at random" don't get worked up over seeing firearms. the many many times I've openly carried, nobody's been afraid of me. They may even realize that their "fear" of guns is ridiculous. quote:
I don't have a problem with someone's choice to responsibly open carry, I just don't care to follow suit.
Okay, so we're agreed that you won't perpetuate the anti-open carry myths anymore?