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Open carry Downtown Eugene
grumpygy
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We saw this guy on another video on here the other day. Think it was the weird AR grip method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7UMdniHWkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7UMdniHWkI
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What it says to me is, stay the hell out of Bell County, Texas. No travel, no money spent, just avoid the place. All of central Texas seems to be turning into a liberal stronghold.
My ex-wife got a ticket from a real bozo cop in Belton, just down the road from Temple.
Those two Temple cops are even bigger bozos. I found an email address for the Temple City Manager and asked him if these two bozos are still employed.
quote:Not sure what to say about this one.
What it says to me is, stay the hell out of Bell County, Texas. No travel, no money spent, just avoid the place. All of central Texas seems to be turning into a liberal stronghold.
My ex-wife got a ticket from a real bozo cop in Belton, just down the road from Temple.
Those two Temple cops are even bigger bozos. I found an email address for the Temple City Manager and asked him if these two bozos are still employed.
For sure, be on your P's & Q's when you make a run through that area, and just east of there in Hearne as well.
quote:Not sure what to say about this one.
What it says to me is, stay the hell out of Bell County, Texas. No travel, no money spent, just avoid the place. All of central Texas seems to be turning into a liberal stronghold.
My ex-wife got a ticket from a real bozo cop in Belton, just down the road from Temple.
Those two Temple cops are even bigger bozos. I found an email address for the Temple City Manager and asked him if these two bozos are still employed.
Whats with all this bozo cop, anti-police talk. I have been very critical of some police tactics and procedures, but I do not like to see individual police officers called derogatory names because you disagree with something they do. We have the right to be critical of behavior we feel is wrong, but name calling is not acceptable. These officers are on the street risking their lives to protect the people in their communities.
If you go walking around a city with an AK or AR over your shoulder you are probably going to get checked by the police. Maybe in a very rural area that is more normal, but in a city it is not. If you want to do it just because you can, accept that it is not normal for a person to stroll around in a city with a weapon that attracts attention like and AK or AR (I don't need to recount all the cases where people have shot large numbers of innocent people). Out in the country it seems more logical, in a city it just confrontational. Accept you will be checked to see if you are crazy or irrational, cooperate with the officer instead of screaming your rights at him, and if OC is legal you will probably be free to be on your way to show everyone your 2nd amendment rights.
It's legal to be abnormal.
It's not lawful to detain someone for being abnormal.
"cooperation" with unlawful activities is not being a responsible citizen.
I don't open carry and generally not open to doing it however if someone chooses to do so that is up to them.
Although what I do want to know is where is the "threat" of someone open carrying? Is he a acting in a threatening manner? Waving it around? Is he just walking around carrying a gun?
If there is no visible threat the cops should just leave him alone if it is legal in that state to carry like that. Simply receiving a call is not enough to disarm and demand ID although some cops think it is. Observe from a distance and if there is no threat go to the next call. This harassment is just one more way cops are turning people against them.
quote:but be abnormal and pose a possible threat to the community and the police have an obligation to check and make sure everything is OK
I don't open carry and generally not open to doing it however if someone chooses to do so that is up to them.
Although what I do want to know is where is the "threat" of someone open carrying? Is he a acting in a threatening manner? Waving it around? Is he just walking around carrying a gun?
If there is no visible threat the cops should just leave him alone if it is legal in that state to carry like that. Simply receiving a call is not enough to disarm and demand ID although some cops think it is. Observe from a distance and if there is no threat go to the next call. This harassment is just one more way cops are turning people against them.
I didn't watch the videos since I'm at work. However, it all depends on the situation. A white guy carrying an AR heading towards a rally that is primarily black may be up to no good. He may be just exercising his rights. Either way, a quick stop and maybe a "what are you doing" could be in order. The cops just need to not overstep their boundaries.
If a cop sees a guy walking down the street in the middle of the night in nothing but a towel, he shouldn't just ignore him since he "has the right." A quick check of what is going on is probably in order.
You have to be able to differentiate between innocent abnormality and carrying an AK or AR around town. Be abnormal if you want, but be abnormal and pose a possible threat to the community and the police have an obligation to check and make sure everything is OK. I would expect no less from the police. http://abcnews.go.com/US/ihop-shooting-national-guardsman-dies/story?id=14461691
seeing how carrying an AK or AR around town is not illegal, then, by definition, it is "innocent abnormality"
And, no, the police do not have an obligation to "check and make sure everything is okay" whether you expect less or not, IHOP anecdote or not.
In rural communities carrying an AK or AR around might not be considered anything unusual. In some rural communities people drive unlicensed ATVs around and ride horses downtown. In cities there are too many crazy/angry people doing violent things and injuring innocent people. People taking a stroll in town with an AR/AK can not be ignored by police, to do so would be negligent. It does not require a big investigation, just a contact to see if everything looks OK. A CCW is really the way to go, and available in most states now. You have the element of surprise, and do not draw attention to yourself. These guys walking around town with AR/AKs know very well they will get attention. They have their cameras ready, and rush home to post a video on youtube.
I'm kind of with you on this. When they guy says yes I'm legal to carry, how is the cop to know for sure if he cannot check your ID.
It may be a right to open carry but you also have to know your location. I live here in Eugene area. And know anywhere down town would not be a good place for it. There was one guy at the Federal building he was lucky it was Sunday.
Cause I'm not sure where they figure it is Federal Ground. Wrong spot just a couple of Blocks over and You are on School grounds a posted Gun free Zone.
I have dropped my Pen in a store in that area and cleared folks out. Its a 50 Cal Pen.
In rural communities carrying an AK or AR around might not be considered anything unusual. In some rural communities people drive unlicensed ATVs around and ride horses downtown. In cities there are too many crazy/angry people doing violent things and injuring innocent people. People taking a stroll in town with an AR/AK can not be ignored by police, to do so would be negligent. yes, they can be ignored, and no, it wouldn't be negligent. quote: It does not require a big investigation, just a contact to see if everything looks OK. if they are detained without reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, then that's not okay. quote: A CCW is really the way to go, and available in most states now. You have the element of surprise, and do not draw attention to yourself. These guys walking around town with AR/AKs know very well they will get attention. They have their cameras ready, and rush home to post a video on youtube.
If you don't like them doing it for attention, then stop giving it to them.
You're not much on board with the whole "libertarian" thing, are you?
quote:Originally posted by capgun
In rural communities carrying an AK or AR around might not be considered anything unusual. In some rural communities people drive unlicensed ATVs around and ride horses downtown. In cities there are too many crazy/angry people doing violent things and injuring innocent people. People taking a stroll in town with an AR/AK can not be ignored by police, to do so would be negligent. yes, they can be ignored, and no, it wouldn't be negligent. quote: It does not require a big investigation, just a contact to see if everything looks OK. if they are detained without reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, then that's not okay. quote: A CCW is really the way to go, and available in most states now. You have the element of surprise, and do not draw attention to yourself. These guys walking around town with AR/AKs know very well they will get attention. They have their cameras ready, and rush home to post a video on youtube.
If you don't like them doing it for attention, then stop giving it to them.
You're not much on board with the whole "libertarian" thing, are you?
I believe living in society has limitations and responsibilities, and people need to exercise good judgment and common sense. If you want to push the envelope, go ahead, but don't be surprised if you draw attention to yourself. And that attention may involve contact by a police officer if it involves the display of a weapon.
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
quote:Originally posted by capgun
In rural communities carrying an AK or AR around might not be considered anything unusual. In some rural communities people drive unlicensed ATVs around and ride horses downtown. In cities there are too many crazy/angry people doing violent things and injuring innocent people. People taking a stroll in town with an AR/AK can not be ignored by police, to do so would be negligent. yes, they can be ignored, and no, it wouldn't be negligent. quote: It does not require a big investigation, just a contact to see if everything looks OK. if they are detained without reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, then that's not okay. quote: A CCW is really the way to go, and available in most states now. You have the element of surprise, and do not draw attention to yourself. These guys walking around town with AR/AKs know very well they will get attention. They have their cameras ready, and rush home to post a video on youtube.
If you don't like them doing it for attention, then stop giving it to them.
You're not much on board with the whole "libertarian" thing, are you?
I believe living in society has limitations and responsibilities, and people need to exercise good judgment and common sense. If you want to push the envelope, go ahead, but don't be surprised if you draw attention to yourself. And that attention may involve contact by a police officer if it involves the display of a weapon.
And that contact may involve a lawsuit by the detained if it involves detention without reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime is being committed, or is about to be committed.
Do as YOU see fit to do but IMO walking around with an long gun instead of a holstered handgun does nothing but fuel the antigun fires. Do it enough times and you will get CA that had open carry which has now been revoked except for hunting or range time. We get enough grief with handguns...but again do as YOU see fit for you.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Not sure what to say about this one.
What it says to me is, stay the hell out of Bell County, Texas. No travel, no money spent, just avoid the place. All of central Texas seems to be turning into a liberal stronghold.
My ex-wife got a ticket from a real bozo cop in Belton, just down the road from Temple.
Those two Temple cops are even bigger bozos. I found an email address for the Temple City Manager and asked him if these two bozos are still employed.
Whats with all this bozo cop, anti-police talk. I have been very critical of some police tactics and procedures, but I do not like to see individual police officers called derogatory names because you disagree with something they do. We have the right to be critical of behavior we feel is wrong, but name calling is not acceptable. These officers are on the street risking their lives to protect the people in their communities.
This is funny!
Ol' Mr Nunn is a police officer in the State of Texas. What's he going to do....hurt his own feelings?[:D]
I believe a person should be able to carry whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want. There is no mention in the 2nd Amendment as to type of firearm to carry. Having said that it's stricktly my opinion and worth nothing to anyone but me and I believe someone who walks around a busy city with a AR15 slung over his/her back/front with a camera rolling is an Attention Whoooaree.
Do as YOU see fit to do but IMO walking around with an long gun instead of a holstered handgun does nothing but fuel the antigun fires. Do it enough times and you will get CA that had open carry which has now been revoked except for hunting or range time. We get enough grief with handguns... but again do as YOU see fit for you.
What are you talking about?
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
I believe a person should be able to carry whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want. There is no mention in the 2nd Amendment as to type of firearm to carry. Having said that it's stricktly my opinion and worth nothing to anyone but me and I believe someone who walks around a busy city with a AR15 slung over his/her back/front with a camera rolling is an Attention Whoooaree.
Do as YOU see fit to do but IMO walking around with an long gun instead of a holstered handgun does nothing but fuel the antigun fires. Do it enough times and you will get CA that had open carry which has now been revoked except for hunting or range time. We get enough grief with handguns... but again do as YOU see fit for you.
What are you talking about?
California had legal open carry until this year, it is now illegal. A lot of people went out of their way to flaunt open carry in provocative ways. They could not just do it, they had to make it confrontational, justifying the confrontation by saying "its our right". The governor paid attention, and signed a law prohibiting open carry.
and this
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/10/local/la-me-brown-guns-20111011
Not that you had tons of people open carrying in CA to begin with..but enough bad publicity & a CA legislature & Governors Mansion held mainly by Democrats and it was a lose-lose situation that you guys still down there will never recover from. Next up for you guys is background checks and no internet direct sales of ammo..if it passes. Suprised you didn't know about the open carry bans.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
I believe a person should be able to carry whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want. There is no mention in the 2nd Amendment as to type of firearm to carry. Having said that it's stricktly my opinion and worth nothing to anyone but me and I believe someone who walks around a busy city with a AR15 slung over his/her back/front with a camera rolling is an Attention Whoooaree.
Do as YOU see fit to do but IMO walking around with an long gun instead of a holstered handgun does nothing but fuel the antigun fires. Do it enough times and you will get CA that had open carry which has now been revoked except for hunting or range time. We get enough grief with handguns... but again do as YOU see fit for you.
What are you talking about?
California had legal open carry until this year, it is now illegal. A lot of people went out of their way to flaunt open carry in provocative ways. They could not just do it, they had to make it confrontational, justifying the confrontation by saying "its our right". The governor paid attention, and signed a law prohibiting open carry.
Exactly. Calif open carry guys put themselves right out of business. I was communicating with some of them and was going to join them at one of their coffee clutches where they all wear pistols openly. I wanted to see how the cops were handling them. Their mission was to try to get the public here to get used to seeing them walking around armed and stop calling the cops on them.
I knew it would backfire on them, and it did. Before you knew it a law was passed prohibiting open carry of handguns. Oops, the law makers put handguns and not firearms in the law, so they were then going to carry long guns, the law was amended to make carrying any firearm openly in public illegal.
The bearded guy with the washers in his ears in grumpygy's video even told the police he was carrying to be an "activist"..... what a dork. These guys are carrying so they can tell the police they don't have to identify themselves and that they are within their rights, and yell "are you detaining me"
The police have other calls to handle without having to baby sit guys walking with an AR over their shoulder and then get argumentative with the police arrive to a citizen reporting them. People should carry loaded and concealed to keep this kind of a waste of police resources from going on and these clowns coming out of their parents basement with their AR and GoPro camera so they can post another show on Youtube.
Apply for a CC license and then carry concealed so you stop alarming the public every time you step outside.
What we are seeing is not that. What we see here is exactly what it looks like which is idiots that want to get some attention getting some.
There is not a police dept in the country that will take the chance of you shooting up a mall and then later having to explain that they saw you walking there with your AR and didn't stop you because you've got rights. So accept that if you want to open carry, the police will likely ask you some questions. I'm ok with that. I prefer they ask some questions than let a mall get shot up.
How you react to the questions will determine what happens next.
Anyone can ask anyone anything, including police. Wasn't that the Zimmerman defense? Most of you agree Zimmerman had the right, some even say civic duty, to look into a suspicious stranger in the area. That's what the police do every day. I can't condone when they go overboard, which happens. Nor when they are ignorant of the law, which also happens. But in general, a good officer should take notice of a guy walking down the sidewalk with a rifle. Ask him a few questions, make sure he seems sane and not mad at the world, etc.
calrugerfan..I'm talking about this http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/08/california-lawmakers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html
and this
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/10/local/la-me-brown-guns-20111011
Not that you had tons of people open carrying in CA to begin with..but enough bad publicity & a CA legislature & Governors Mansion held mainly by Democrats and it was a lose-lose situation that you guys still down there will never recover from. Next up for you guys is background checks and no internet direct sales of ammo..if it passes. Suprised you didn't know about the open carry bans.
Sorry. I forgot about the open carry of rifles and shotguns. To me, that isn't "carrying," that is flaunting. As I understand it, open carry of pistols is still legal if done properly (unloaded).
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
calrugerfan..I'm talking about this http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/08/california-lawmakers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html
and this
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/10/local/la-me-brown-guns-20111011
Not that you had tons of people open carrying in CA to begin with..but enough bad publicity & a CA legislature & Governors Mansion held mainly by Democrats and it was a lose-lose situation that you guys still down there will never recover from. Next up for you guys is background checks and no internet direct sales of ammo..if it passes. Suprised you didn't know about the open carry bans.
Sorry. I forgot about the open carry of rifles and shotguns. To me, that isn't "carrying," that is flaunting. As I understand it, open carry of pistols is still legal if done properly (unloaded).
Not in California as of this year.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
calrugerfan..I'm talking about this http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2012/08/california-lawmakers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html
and this
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/10/local/la-me-brown-guns-20111011
Not that you had tons of people open carrying in CA to begin with..but enough bad publicity & a CA legislature & Governors Mansion held mainly by Democrats and it was a lose-lose situation that you guys still down there will never recover from. Next up for you guys is background checks and no internet direct sales of ammo..if it passes. Suprised you didn't know about the open carry bans.
Sorry. I forgot about the open carry of rifles and shotguns. To me, that isn't "carrying," that is flaunting. As I understand it, open carry of pistols is still legal if done properly (unloaded).
Not in California as of this year.
Somehow I missed that. I wonder if CalGuns newsletter goes to my spam folder now. This should have ended up in court.
And if they outlaw open carry, concealed carry should go to shall issue.
and lest anyone think otherwise, the areas in green have large populations of Republicans but the other areas outnumber them with sheer numbers of Liberals.
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
quote:Originally posted by capgun
In rural communities carrying an AK or AR around might not be considered anything unusual. In some rural communities people drive unlicensed ATVs around and ride horses downtown. In cities there are too many crazy/angry people doing violent things and injuring innocent people. People taking a stroll in town with an AR/AK can not be ignored by police, to do so would be negligent. yes, they can be ignored, and no, it wouldn't be negligent. quote: It does not require a big investigation, just a contact to see if everything looks OK. if they are detained without reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed, then that's not okay. quote: A CCW is really the way to go, and available in most states now. You have the element of surprise, and do not draw attention to yourself. These guys walking around town with AR/AKs know very well they will get attention. They have their cameras ready, and rush home to post a video on youtube.
If you don't like them doing it for attention, then stop giving it to them.
You're not much on board with the whole "libertarian" thing, are you?
I believe living in society has limitations and responsibilities, and people need to exercise good judgment and common sense. If you want to push the envelope, go ahead, but don't be surprised if you draw attention to yourself. And that attention may involve contact by a police officer if it involves the display of a weapon.
Ahhh! I see. You only want a little reasonable gun control.