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Kaliforians are starting to snivel.........
bgjohn
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I have a rifle being auctioned on GB. I got an email this AM bemoaning the fact that I have stated "No Sales to California". I told him to vote them out of office or move out of state.
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I don't see a problem ... with him.
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JM
[:(!]Grr
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Have been glad to be here for 51 years.
Am, and will be, eternally glad, that you are not.
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Some of them never stopped.
Then YOU sell it to him, and YOU jump through their latest hoops.
Grr
JM
I was not referring to that portion of your sentiments. I'm referring
to the fact that you would accuse a fellow American shooting
enthusiast to be responsible for something completely out of his
control.
... it's just ignorant and I'd be embarrassed to say anything like that.
Then again - like I said - it's just ignorant.
... got the little man complex, eh?
Figures.
Golly John. I dont need to jump through any hoops to send a gun to someone in Cali. Tell me what hoops do you go through.. The guy on the other end is the one going through the red tape, and if he is willing to then I wouldnt hesitate to sell to him.. Why would you punish this guy for his state laws???????????[:(]
You are not an FFL. The BATF letter is posted elsewhere on this forum.
JM
However, it looks like you might have lost a sale. [:0]
I understand why a dealer would refuse to sell to CA. After all, for now, there are many nice handguns that one could not sell to CA anyway.
However, it looks like you might have lost a sale. [:0]
Do a search for BATF if you are interested.
He isn't interested in bidding just sniveling.
JM
The person who wants your rifle didn't elect the anti-gun politicians and being in the political minority he can't "vote them out of office."
CA gunowners are in a terrible situation and you are making it worse for them with your attitude that it's their fault.
Too old to live...too young to die...
It requires "a little extra paperwork" to ship a gun to Canada or Cuba, too, and I don't do that either.
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We no longer sell to Kalifornians either.
Yes, I'm from California.
Have been glad to be here for 51 years.
Am, and will be, eternally glad, that you are not.
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I love it when everybody is happy. [:)]
Thanks for standing by principle and just a little ..the Constitution.
Ignore the brickbats hurled your way . they ALWAYS are thrown by those willing to compromise away their Rights, ethics, and morals for profit.
We out here in the hinterlands that are fighting for freedom and Constitutional government salute you, Sir.
JM
Bgjohn;
Thanks for standing by principle and just a little ..the Constitution.
Ignore the brickbats hurled your way . they ALWAYS are thrown by those willing to compromise away their Rights, ethics, and morals for profit.
We out here in the hinterlands that are fighting for freedom and Constitutional government salute you, Sir.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. They just don't understand "principal".
JM
....They like living there so much let them PAY for the privilege.[^]
JM
Oh, they do, believe me, they do...
I have got to side with Zip on this,by not shipping to CA you are letting the gov win and our fellow shooters lose. I'm not an FFL and I really do not sell guns,mainly because I just can't part with one after I get it. I don't think the CA gov will see the light if people keep shipping there even though they impose rediculus rules,but maybe it will help those who own guns see the light that the only way they are going to change things is VOTE. In little CT I know way to many gun owners who will not vote because it won't do any good,wrong attitude.Probably 25% of the forum members here who spout gun rights don't vote.
There's a fair argument on both sides. However, if sellers start refusing to ship firearms to California in protest of the new requirements, maybe the people there will stop worrying so much about legalizing marijuana and gay marriages and start doing something about their ridiculous and unconstitutional gun laws. If out-of-state dealers are protesting, why aren't the citizens? Maybe they need a good kick in the * to make some noise about the fact that they are being deprived of a product that's available in nearly every other state. FFL dealers are investigated and licensed by the Federal Government and I consider this new regulation as a blatant "restraint of trade" by the California government.
By the way, I thought "Governator Ahnold" was a "Conservative Republican"? Yeah, sure, and I'm the King of England. [:(!]
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Posted - 06/30/2008 : 11:40:51 AM
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Originally posted by brier-49
I have got to side with Zip on this,by not shipping to CA you are letting the gov win and our fellow shooters lose. I'm not an FFL and I really do not sell guns,mainly because I just can't part with one after I get it. I don't think the CA gov will see the light if people keep shipping there even though they impose rediculus rules,but maybe it will help those who own guns see the light that the only way they are going to change things is VOTE. In little CT I know way to many gun owners who will not vote because it won't do any good,wrong attitude.Probably 25% of the forum members here who spout gun rights don't vote.
There's a fair argument on both sides. However, if sellers start refusing to ship firearms to California in protest of the new requirements, maybe the people there will stop worrying so much about legalizing marijuana and gay marriages and start doing something about their ridiculous and unconstitutional gun laws. If out-of-state dealers are protesting, why aren't the citizens? Maybe they need a good kick in the * to make some noise about the fact that they are being deprived of a product that's available in nearly every other state. FFL dealers are investigated and licensed by the Federal Government and I consider this new regulation as a blatant "restraint of trade" by the California government.
By the way, I thought "Governator Ahnold" was a "Conservative Republican"? Yeah, sure, and I'm the King of England.
Normally I agree with you - this time not even a little bit.
Californians are no more guilty about "If out-of-state dealers are protesting, why aren't the citizens" ... probably for the same reason you don't see many gun owners protesting Federal Gun laws. California's gun laws were not voted in by the electorate.
Why don't YOU do something about the illegals being allowed to pour over our borders, why don't you do something about the high price of gasoline (and fuel oil next winter - God help you), why aren't you protesting about the HUGE federal bailout now under way with the housing debauchery? Why aren't you protesting out-sourcing? Why aren't you protesting the spending of trillions of dollars - which has pretty much ruined our national economy - which you have paid for and have encouraged by paying your taxes - to help oil rich Iraq?
... ignorant hypocrites, maybe, no, definitely.
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The Founders envisioned a series of basically independent States.
The States were allowed to enact various and sundrey laws...guided by the people IN those States.
If you did not like those laws...you either CHANGED those laws, by convincing other people about the error of their ways....
OR YOU MOVED !!
WHAT a thought !! If you are surrounded by idiots, perverts, the dregs of the earth...YOU HAUL YOUR * OUT of there !!
It is NOT incumbent on sane people to deal with the insane !!
Get over it.
California's gun laws were not voted in by the electorate.You're right, but weren't California's stringent additional gun laws established by the California Lawmakers that the California electorate voted into office.
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
Normally I agree with you - this time not even a little bit.
Californians are no more guilty about "If out-of-state dealers are protesting, why aren't the citizens" ... probably for the same reason you don't see many gun owners protesting Federal Gun laws.
California's gun laws were not voted in by the electorate.
Why don't YOU do something about the illegals being allowed to pour over our borders, why don't you do something about the high price of gasoline (and fuel oil next winter - God help you), why aren't you protesting about the HUGE federal bailout now under way with the housing debauchery? Why aren't you protesting out-sourcing? Why aren't you protesting the spending of trillions of dollars - which has pretty much ruined our national economy - which you have paid for and have encouraged by paying your taxes - to help oil rich Iraq?
... ignorant hypocrites, maybe, no, definitely.
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Sure they were, Zip - by proxy. Your gun laws, like ours, were enacted by representatives chosen by us to make laws on our behalf. We elected them and now regret it for stupid regulations like this. However, WE (and I certainly include myself) need to let them know how we feel by letters, e-mails, faxes and, most importantly, at the voting booth.
What are we supposed to do about ignorant California laws ?
We are not allowed to vote in California the last I knew.
It is the ignorant people of California who keep electing these liberal idiots into office.
Ignorant and pathetic.
Thanks---Peabo
Boy you sure told him. Then ran right to the puter to tell us all about it like the little kid who announces to mommy he used the potty all by himself. You go bgjohn.
" I have a rifle being auctioned on GB. I got an email this AM bemoaning the fact that I have stated "No Sales to California". I told him to vote them out of office or move out of state."
Boy you sure told him. Then ran right to the puter to tell us all about it like the little kid who announces to mommy he used the potty all by himself. You go bgjohn.
Remember, this is the same gang who rushs over to C&P the latest chain e-mail that they received or tell us about their run in with a Nigerian bank scam, just like we had never heard of it before.
Not being a gun dealer a lot of this is mysterious but don't you just go to a CA DOJ web site, enter the CA dealers info (which he provides to you) and if he is legit the DOJ gives you a confirmation number? I was under the impression that dealers around the country were already going over to an ATF web site and running each other's FFLs to check on them more or less automatically. For a bunch of guys who can spend hours logged on here each day one extra trip to a web site hardly seems like much work to make a nice sale.
Nope...from my understanding we have to obtain an approval letter from the CA DOJ before shipping any firearm into CA. The profit margin on Internet sales is extremely marginal...and certainly not worth jumping through any additional hoops for CA's Un-Constitutional restrictions.
If the guy on the other end wants to pay the extra, or take the time to qualify the deal then what is the freakin problem..
Problem? You are talking to a bunch of guys on a web site where members have actually posted about feeling that low flush toilets infringe on their rights as Americans!
Doesn't matter what anyone else likes or dislikes or thinks about it. My business=my business! If I don't want to do business with someone from Mars or California then that is my perogative and so be it....
Case closed.
Bode
LMAO Kristov. They all want hi-cap flushing toilets.
Are you talking about those environmentally sound "water savers" that usually require two flushes (and a plunger)? Thereby using 1/2 again as much water per successful flush?
Do it my way... Dig a hole! Most everything composts and returns to nature. (not sure about politicians though) [:D]
Allen