Class III question

wiplash

There were some pretty heated debates going on about the Legality of an HK Trigger Pac. (Safe, Economy, and Fun switch).

Most said it was Legal to own if the person did not own or possess an HK Rifle, and that the Upper Reciever is the part that makes it Class III. Others said that it is completely Illegal without a Tax Stamp.

I thought there was going to be Fist Fights there for awhile![:D]

wiplash

I have been looking at the class 3 guns on auction here for S&Gs and I notice alot of H&K MP5s for auction. I thought any gun manufactured after 1986 was nontransferable, arent MP5s made after '86? If so how are these guns transferable or are they LE only?

Ohh, and where are all the M16s? If I was to buy a class 3 weapon I want and M16!

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select-fire

Tax stamp required IF it is pre 86

wiplash

quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Tax stamp required IF it is pre 86


I forgot to add, they said that there are no numbers or markings on it. Would that have made it post 86?

mark christian

The select fire trigger group/pack by itself is not a machinegun conversion device. If the housing is cut to allow it to fit a semi auto (HK-91 or a clone) and the other modifications to the rifle are in place (I won't describe them here), it would result in a machinegun, which can no longer be registered.

wiplash

quote:Originally posted by mark christian
The select fire trigger group/pack by itself is not a machinegun conversion device. If the housing is cut to allow it to fit a semi auto (HK-91 or a clone) and the other modifications to the rifle are in place (I won't describe them here), it would result in a machinegun, which can no longer be registered.


They were talking about "Clipped and Pinned". I think that a lot of the arguing was about it being "clipped" making it Legal?

mark christian

Without going into any detail, the only real difference between a G-3 select fire rifle and a semi auto HK-91 is that the 91's receiver has been modified so that it cannot accept the swing-down, selective fire trigger group found in the G-3. This was not always the case and the semi autos imported in the early 1960s by Mars Inc. and Santa Fe Arms had no such block. These rifle were later declared non importable by the ATTU, as thre BATF was then known. Later imports were modified to accept only what became known as a "clip-on" trigger group, which had many of the internal parts modified for semi auto fire. If a G-3 trigger group is cut so that it will fit a HK-91 receiver and if certain other parts, which I will not name here, are changed or modified, the result will be a functional machine gun.

Once again, a G-3 trigger group, modified or not, is not a machinegun conversion device. Other modification have to be made which do not in any way involve the trigger group. Back in the heady days leading up to the May, 1986 cutoff for machinegun registrations, people were reregistering MG parts left and right with the notion that the parts were "kits". In most cases the ATF Technical Branch notified those folks that what they had attempted to register were in fact nothing more than a collection of assorted parts, which even if installed would not convert a semi auto to a MG. The ATF then denied registration and refunded the $200.

wiplash

Thanks Mark. We have another Gun Show in about a month and I'll see if I can get things stirred up again![:D]

What your saying goes along with what about 80% of the Dealers are saying. The other 20% are either just totally Paranoid, uninformed and refuse to be proven wrong, or in one of these cases, A so called Firearms Attorney whom I have proven wrong twice so far on the Law.[:D]