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In the end... It's ALL about the money. *UPDATED*

retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
edited February 2013 in General Discussion
Update... Please see my most recent comment posted below Zulu7... Thanks.


Damn... Jus'DAMN !!!

I've been a staunch supporter of the BSA for more years than I care to count...

But even that may soon come to an end for me. [V]

And for anyone that knows me personally, I take my scouting career seriously.

I just found this on W.N.D. News site...
http://www.w_n_d.com/2013/01/why-scouts-are-rethinking-happy-policy/
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WHY SCOUTS ARE RETHINKING 'happy' POLICY
Activists shamed corporate donors that tout diversity, tolerance

The Boy Scouts of America's apparent decision to reverse a century-old policy to bar samesexuals from its ranks coincides with a sudden drop in major corporate funding that began last summer after a happy-rights blogger for the Huffington Post published a collaborative report that named the donors and chastised them for violating their own policy of not discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.

At the same time, two prominent board members - including an adviser to the Obama White House - were carrying out a vow to change the policy from within.

Published in collaboration with The American Independent, the report called out Intel, United Parcel Service, United Way, Merck and others for contributing to an organization with a stated policy of banning samesexuals from membership.

The report came less than two months after the BSA affirmed its policy at the conclusion of a two-year examination of the issue by a committee of volunteers convened by national BSA leaders.

The Boy Scouts' national headquarters in Texas said it is not granting interviews at the moment but invited questions submitted by email. Questions posed by W.N.D were not answered, however.

At the time of the September report, shipping giant UPS insisted the Scouts' policy would not impact its donations, which totaled close to $167,000 in 2010, the most recent year for which data was available for most companies.

However, bolstered by a petition drive by the samesexual-rights group Scouts for Equality, Intel - which led the way in 2010 corporate giving with $700,000 - announced that month it would stop funding Scout troops that adhere to the ban.

UPS followed Intel's lead and also cut off its funding.

In December, Merck issued a statement saying it could not "continue to provide support to an organization with a policy that is contrary to one of our core beliefs."

"We remain ready and willing to re-consider our funding position in the event that the BSA were to revise its policy," the statement said.

At the moment, the Verizon Foundation, which donated more than $300,000 in 2010 is facing heat as more than 70,000 people have signed a petition asking the corporation to stop funding the Scouts.

The American Interest report said 23 of the top 50 corporate foundations, ranked by the Foundation Center in terms of total charitable giving, gave at least $10,000 each to the Boy Scouts in 2010.

Combined, they donated about $3.6 million.


Reversal

The Boy Scouts, with more than 2.7 million youth members and more than 1 million adult members, [Roughly $1 per youth and adult member... That's the buyout price! You gotta be kiddin'me... [:(!]] reaffirmed its policy on samesexuals July 17 upon the recommendation of an 11-member committee that had been meeting since 2010.

The policy states: "While the BSA does not proactively inquire about the sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed samesexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA." BUT...

But last week, the national office signaled a reversal ahead of its national board meeting next week.

Speaking for the BSA National Council, Director of Public Relations Deron Smith explained the organization is discussing allowing, the local, chartered organizations that oversee Scouting to establish their own requirements.

BSA members and parents "would be able to choose a local unit which best meets the needs of their families," Smith said.

He said BSA leadership "has always been in an ongoing dialogue with the Scouting family to determine what is in the best interest of the organization and the young people we serve."

Under the proposed policy, the BSA, he explained, "would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization's mission, principles or religious beliefs."

The BSA has more than 290 local councils nationwide that oversee more than 116,000 local organizations. Individual Scout troops are sponsored by religious and civic organizations.

While there have been major cuts in funding in recent months since the Scouts reaffirmed their policy, the organization has faced boycott and censure for more than a decade, particularly since the U.S. Supreme Court sided with them on the issue in 2000.

In 2002, for example, the United Way chapter of Ventura County, Calif., stopped its allocations to the Scouts after funding the group for 57 years. I stopped donating to the United Way when The United Way stopped supporting Scouting in my area... long before this.

The resistance also has come from within as many samesexual scouts and family members, and some local councils, have engaged in activism.

As W.N.D reported in 2003, the Scouts' Cradle of Liberty Council in Philadelphia drew national attention when it added "sexual orientation" to its policy of nondiscrimination.

In contrast to its current stance, the national office at that time was resolute.

In an interview with W.N.D, BSA national spokesman Gregg Shields declared: "No council is allowed to depart from Boy Scouts policy." And then they started counting money...

"We have a national policy that has been in existence since we were formed," he said in 2003. "The Boy Scouts have taught traditional, American family values. A known or openly avowed samesexual would not be accepted for membership nor would an atheist."


`Change from within'

Amid the spotlight on major donors, the prominent samesexual-rights group Human Rights Campaign has warned it plans to downgrade its non-discrimination ratings for corporations that continue to give the BSA financial support. And their 'MONEY'... became worth more to the BSA then principle. SAD...

Meanwhile, two corporate CEOs on BSA's national board, Randall Stephenson of AT&T, who is next in line to become BSA national chairman, and James Turley of Ernst & Young have said they would work to end the ban. With BIG Money comes BIG POWER... [:(!]

Last June, Turley vowed he "will work from within to seek a change" to the BSA policy.

"As I have done in leading Ernst & Young to being a most inclusive organization, I intend to continue to work from within the BSA board to actively encourage dialogue and sustainable progress," Turley said.

Stephenson was praised for publicly opposing the Boy Scouts' policy and explained he would remain on the board, which he's in line to lead in 2014, because he could have more influence. AND had MORE MONEY... [:(!][:(!]

Turley was nominated to President Obama's Export Council in 2010, and has been a promoter of Obama's economic policy.

Turley and his wife, Lynne, were guests at a state dinner hosted by President Obama for British Prime Minister David Cameron at the White House last March.

As with previous U.S. presidents going back to President William Howard Taft in 1910, Obama became the honorary president of the BSA shortly after taking office in 2009.

His induction, however, was conducted behind closed doors in the Oval Office with no notice in any official communication.

Obama also did not attend the BSA's 100th Anniversary Gala in Washington, D.C. in 2010. [V][xx(][:(]

Family Research [BSA] Council President Tony Perkins has pointed to attacks on Scout funding sources by activist samesexuals as a major influence on the organizations decision to reconsider its policy. Uhhh DUH... Didn't see that coming...

"The Boy Scouts of America board would be making a serious mistake to bow to the strong-arm tactics of LGBT activists and open the organization to samesexuality," he said. [Perkins ??? [:0]]

"What has changed in terms of the Boy Scouts' concern for the well-being of the boys under their care? Or is this not about the well-being of the Scouts, but the funding for the organization?"

Perkins emphasized the Boy Scouts has been "a force for moral integrity and leadership in the United States."

"Sadly, their principled stances have marked them as a target for harassment by samesexual activists and corporations such as UPS, which are working to pressure the Boy Scouts into abandoning their historic values." At least it seems I may STILL have respect for Perkins... We shall see.


Needless to say... I ain't a happy camper over this...
And I thought I would never see the day that the BSA would sell out for $1 per member...
Damn... Jus'DAMN !!! [V][V][V]

Comments

  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    Is it just "happy" kids their letting on or,
    Are they hiring/allowing SMILEY scout masters?
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    Is it just "happy" kids their letting on or,
    Are they hiring/allowing SMILEY scout masters?
    BOTH... [:(!]
  • evileye fleagalevileye fleagal Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    suprizes me they have held out this long, the demise of this org. and this country, are such that nothing is shocking anymore, and thats sad, indeed.

    makes you wonder how many kids will be abused before a lawsuit shuts it down.
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    Is it just "happy" kids their letting on or,
    Are they hiring/allowing SMILEY scout masters?
    BOTH... [:(!]

    Their's no way in he:: that should be allowed.
    Just imagine the outcome of that!!![V][V]
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    Is it just "happy" kids their letting on or,
    Are they hiring/allowing SMILEY scout masters?
    BOTH... [:(!]

    Their's no way in he:: that should be allowed.
    Just imagine the outcome of that!!![V][V]
    Exactly why they had upheld their policy position for so long...
    It WAS in the best interest of the youth members...
    But now... That's ALL going to hell in a handbag.

    I'm so disgusted... I sent an eMail to a buddy of mine... Vietnam Vet who was an Army medic...
    He came out and went into medicine as a pediatric nurse for near on thirty years before retiring.
    He's been involved with scouting since he was 8 years old... And that's well been over 60 years now.
    He's still a Scoutmaster in Monroe, NC.

    I explained that I was so pissed about this that I was ready to mail my Eagle Award back
    to National Headquarters with a small piece of my mind. [:(!]
    I'm hoping to hear from him on this soon...
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,240 ******
    edited November -1
    [V][V][:(!][:(!]
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well... I heard back from my buddy...
    Before getting my eMail...
    He'd already called the national council office and said the same thing and expressed his displeasure of the situation.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is a changing country, either they change their policy or they get left behind. Its irrelevent if I approve or not, the paying customer dictates. If their policy is effecting fundraising then they'll have to go with the times if they need that fundraising to survive.
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    It is a changing country, either they change their policy or they get left behind. Its irrelevent if I approve or not, the paying customer dictates. If their policy is effecting fundraising then they'll have to go with the times if they need that fundraising to survive.
    IF... They required 'fund raising' through corporate donors solely to support the organization... I would agree.

    But the National Organization is selling out for $1 per member youth and adult collectively...
    $1 is easily added to the membership dues already paid by each member yearly and would easily offset
    the 'conceived loss' of $3.7 mil in corporate donation they seem so worried about losing.

    The local units raise their operating funds solely on their own or through family support.
    It does not come from the national organization... Or large corporate donor sponsorship.

    $1...

    Hardly enough to sell your ideals for...
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Shamefully a sign of the times...
  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    Yep, all about the money. That is why I pulled my kids out. They could care less about the kids as long as they get the all mighty dollar out of the parents.[:(!]
  • mike_02mike_02 Member Posts: 259 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Will the Girl Scouts now permit male troop leaders? (equiv. of Scoutmaster)
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    .
    I explained that I was so pissed about this that I was ready to mail my Eagle Award back
    to National Headquarters with a small piece of my mind. [:(!]
    I'm hoping to hear from him on this soon...


    instead of sending back your Eagle Award, why don't you send them the hundreds of thousands of dollars they need to continue on as before?

    Are you going to boycott these companies like Verison and others who are withdrawing their support from the BSA?

    At first I was outraged too, but then it occurred to me, if the BSA goes un-funded what happens to all their good work?
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kimberkid
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    .
    I explained that I was so pissed about this that I was ready to mail my Eagle Award back
    to National Headquarters with a small piece of my mind. [:(!]
    I'm hoping to hear from him on this soon...


    instead of sending back your Eagle Award, why don't you send them the hundreds of thousands of dollars they need to continue on as before?

    Are you going to boycott these companies like Verison and others who are withdrawing their support from the BSA?

    At first I was outraged too, but then it occurred to me, if the BSA goes un-funded what happens to all their good work?
    I've boycotted companies before for less...

    For $1 buck per... They would capture what they claim they are losing...
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They find themselves being denied the use of campgrounds, buildings for meetings, etc if the facilities are taxpayer supported because of their exclusive policy. At some point you have to accept reality.
    ....................................................................................................
    Too old to live...too young to die...
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    They find themselves being denied the use of campgrounds, buildings for meetings, etc if the facilities are taxpayer supported because of their exclusive policy. At some point you have to accept reality.
    Some units use public buildings I admit... Schools and Rural Volunteer Fire Departments...
    But the majority of units use private institutions for meetings... Primarily Chapels, Churches, and Synagogues...
    With some smaller units actually meetings in homes of some of the leaders...
  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mike_02
    Will the Girl Scouts now permit male troop leaders? (equiv. of Scoutmaster)


    You mean will the girl scouts now permit carpet munchers.
  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The happy couples must look respectable in society and act accordingly. Of course they can have there escapism with RuPaul the drag queen for male happy couples,the female happy couples only have Ellen DeGeneres show.[:D]

    Money and talent buys respect for many!

    serf
  • Rocky4windsRocky4winds Member Posts: 760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    As an Eagle Scout and long-time volunteer leader, this concerns me as well. However, as has been stated the money for the local councils comes from the community itself, not from the National Office. In fact, the local council has to send money to the National office.

    As I understand it, these donations that are being threatened are donations to the National Office, not the local Councils. This should not stop anyone, then, from giving to your local Council.

    For those who threaten to return their Eagle awards- does a decision made today somehow change what you did to earn your award? Does it change who you are? For me, even if the National BSA goes under, or gives up, or changes, or morphs, whatever, I am still the person I am because of the things that I learned as a result of participating as a youth, and later as a leader. I would never disrespect the Eagle award by returning it, any more than a Vietnam vet would throw his medals over a fence in protest of who knows what.

    If it truly is about the money, then wouldn't it be a better solution to find an alternate funding source for them? Such as private donations, trusts, bake sales, whatever- if you think it really is about the money then raise enough money for them so that they can tell their hundred-thousand-dollars sponsors to go pound sand. If every Eagle Scout would send National $5 a year I suspect that National would be able to tell these PC corporate sponsors to take their own private beliefs and stuff it.

    Unless it really isn't about the money, but rather about an outside group that is annoyed that someone disagrees with them and is trying to shut down that group, you know, in the name of diversity and tolerance, since everyone has to think the same in today's world. What I don't get is that the BSA is a private organization with it's own requirements for membership- if you don't like the requirements, then don't join!!! I don't like the requirements for membership to the KKK, so guess what, I don't join!! If the BSA's standards and values are no longer relevant in today's world, then it should die out- personally I think that they are more relevant now than ever before. Wouldn't it be nice to have every politician follow the Scout Law??

    I'm done now.....
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Well put and thank-you Rocky4winds
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am curious about how anyone can tell if a boy or girl is "happy" when they apply to join the BSA or GSA.
    It's a safe assumption that, like with the military, they have always been there, just not "out".
    Now, inappropriate "behavior" was and still is unacceptable in either organization. If everyone sticks to camping, hiking, trailcraft, etc, I doubt anyone will see any changes. If a scout master or parent catches anyone misbehaving, then the proper warning or expulsion should occur. If it is an adult involved in the inappropriate behavior, then the legal options should be exercised. (I can't stand pedophiles.)
  • pietro75pietro75 Member Posts: 7,048
    edited November -1
    And to minimize this to the term "Happy"???
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Utterly revolting! As a Scout and later as a leader, Waterfront and Program Director, we ran these types who preyed on boys out of camp. We made sure they knew they were no longer welcome even when district authorities turned a blind-eye to what was going on. I still remember one "strange" individual who touched a Scout and got knocked out by the boy (the perv never showed his face again though I learned he was later seen hanging around the YMCA youth programs).
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    just another deliberate step in the destruction of our society
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understand addiction to money, and once addicted it's hard to kick the habit, but I have to say I don't understand the Scouts need for so much of it.

    My experience with the BSA is extremely limited. Fifty some odd years ago I attended one Boy Scout meeting and that was the end of my Scouting career. I couldn't afford it. I know things change, and they change a lot in fifty years, but back then there was zero support to local Scout units from the BSA. In fact the local Scouts send money to the BSA. Each Scout, or his family, paid all the expenses for the individual Scout and the Scout Leader and all other support was volunteer. Any time they did anything out of the ordinary that took cash money, it was supported by local Churches or business or it didn't happen.

    I know they have corporate offices complete with corporate officers who have to be paid along with their expenses, but it seems like there is a lot of money floating around out there looking for a place to go.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the good old days, they got Knocked right back into the closet [:D]
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • utbrowningmanutbrowningman Member Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So "...morally straight." will be removed from the scout oath.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now I am far from samephobic, but when I took my son to bsa camp, there was a scout leader that was absolutly flaming, he did a my little tea pot song/routine in front of everyone, gueydar went of very fast, I was sceptical and nervonext visit my son said all the kids where very ware and he w as the butt of jokes, and no one wanted anything to with him

    I know guey guys that would have looked at him and say, damn he's a flamer, and if he wasnt he sure did miss his calling
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is the national organization only, and yes it is for money. Local troops retain the option to deny both happy membership and leadership.

    A well-constructed F. U. To the P. C. Crowd if you ask me.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    what is the honorary "presidents" position on this ?? and a good point about the scout oath...has/will it change ???.. how does one teach values and honor if they set two standards by catering at one level to the PC crap and yet allowing local standards set
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,059 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I forsee lots of Gladiator movies will be rented and empty shelves of baby oil at CVS. So I wonder how many troops will be led by priests on "vacation"?

    They really should have a third group of scouts. Like on dating sites where tranny-somethings can hang out and be.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My buddy, the retired Pediatric Nurse and Vietnam medic, sent me an eMail late last night that he received from another adult Eagle Scout...

    This fella... Has been involved with discussions at the national level...

    Here is his understanding and comments.


    My friend Dr Greg Thomas, OD, sent me this tonight.

    Most of you are aware by now of the announcement made on Monday, January 28th, 2013 by the National office of the Boy Scouts of America regarding potential changes in the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. I had the opportunity to join a conference call on Friday presented by BSA's National Key Three Leaders - National President Wayne Perry, National Commissioner Tico Perez, and Chief Scout Executive Wayne Brock. The purpose of this call was to brief us on the upcoming discussion of the National Policy of Sexual Orientation that will take place at the National Executive Board meeting on February 6th. Once the initial announcement was made through the media, the debate began from both sides of the issue of why or why not this policy change should occur, and in the course of this, comments have been made by each side that may or may not be factual. To help clarify some of this, and in respect of time and space, I want to share with you some key points that are factual.

    No decision on a change to this policy has yet been made. The issue will be discussed on Wednesday and one of several options could take place: 1) the National Board could vote to remove the national restriction currently in place; 2) the National Board could vote to leave the current policy in place with no change; or 3) the National Board could decide to table the issue to a later point in time.

    It is clear to me that our National office feels they are in a "no-win" situation. Nationwide, many of the historical chartering organizations of Scouting are telling National that the policy currently in place does not fall in line with that organization's current beliefs or practices. The opportunity for continued legal action against Scouting, which has been occurring for decades and has cost the Scouting movement significant money and time, will continue. This continued fight, at the expense of more time and money, takes away from the potential of programs that Scouting is trying to provide to the core of our movement - our youth.

    If the decision is made to change the national membership policy regarding sexual orientation, the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would make the decision of accepting membership and selecting leaders consistent with each organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs.

    This announcement has created significant heated debate and comments from many within and outside the Scouting movement, some fully supporting this move for change and others adamantly opposed to it. Our National President, Wayne Perry, is personally opposed to the change, while there is obviously enough of the members of the National Executive Board, many of these corporate and community leaders, that support the change.

    Let me state that I am not sending this information to you as an official representative of Scouting or on behalf of a chartering organization. I am sending this as an Eagle Scout who values the morals and principles that were instilled in me through my experiences in Scouting. I am sending this as an adult volunteer who continues to offer countless hours giving back to a program that is near and dear to me, just as other volunteers did for me and thousands of others in our movement do today. I am sending this because I oppose any change to the current policy as it applies to restricting membership based on sexual orientation. I have seen the signs of division in our national membership that has occurred in the past week, and this will only accelerate if this policy change is approved. Scouting as we know it will no longer exist, and our Scouting movement, the one built through dedication of our adult leaders and youth, will dwindle nationally. Our time-tested morals and values of the past 102 years are being put under scrutiny and stand to be sacrificed if this change occurs.

    The National Council has set up contact points for individuals to offer feedback regarding this ongoing discussion. NOW is the time to let your voice be heard through one of the following contacts:

    Email Feedback@Scouting.org
    Visit the contact page on Scouting.org at www.scouting.org/ContactUs
    Or Call 972-580-2000

    Please share this information with those who you have contact with that believe in the traditional Scouting values as stated in the Scout Oath and the Scout Law. I do not view this as a vote against any specific group of individuals - everyone is allowed to decide their choice of lifestyle whether I agree with it or not. This is a vote against having an organization change its established policy, known by members and volunteers when they decide to join Scouting, and what that policy represents. Demand for such change is just wrong.

    Yours in Scouting,

    Greg Thomas
    Eagle Scout, Class of 1979

    (I have attached a copy of the media statement from National BSA for your review.)



    MEDIA STATEMENT

    Boy Scouts of America

    Monday, Jan. 28, 2013

    Attributable to: Deron Smith, Director of Public Relations

    "For more than 100 years, Scouting's focus has been on working together to deliver the nation's foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training. Scouting has always been in an ongoing dialogue with the Scouting family to determine what is in the best interest of the organization and the young people we serve.

    "Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs. BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.

    "The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic, or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue. The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents. Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs."


    I encourage any of our members on this forum to which this is important to make contact and express your personal feelings to National...

    Also feel free to copy and send to others you deem to be interested or involved in this debate...

    And Thanks.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    just another deliberate step in the destruction of our society


    yes
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