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asop
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At this point in time anyway, and I sold ALL my firearms to private individuals and kept no records of the sales I'm completely within the law?
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At this point in time anyway, and I sold ALL my firearms to private individuals and kept no records of the sales I'm completely within the law?
If you sold them in state and your state allows Face to Face sales, probably yes. There is no Federal requirement to record to whom you sold the firearms, again, provided you sell them to a resident of the state in which you live.
Your state laws will govern this transaction.
What you describe would have been 100% within the law in my state up until December of last year.
Brad Steele
AL Dealer sales only Handguns only permanent
CA All sales All firearms 3 years
CO (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
CT All sales All firearms 5 years
DE (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
D.C. All sales All firearms unspecified
FL Dealer sales only Handguns only unspecified
IL (2 laws) All sales Handguns unspecified
All sales All firearms 10 years
ME Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MD (2 laws) All sales Handguns 3 years
Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MA Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MI (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NJ (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NY (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
NC Dealer sales only Handguns unspecified
OR Dealer sales only All firearms 5 years
PA (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms 20 years
Private sales Handguns only
RI All sales All firearms 6 years
VT Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years
WA Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years
We have a great local gun shop that will let you meet face to face in their shop which helps with safety.
I don't sell guns but I've recommended that local sales see/record a drivers license. Maybe a bill of sale, only because if the gun were later used in some sort of criminal event and recovered and traced to me I would want to be able to say when I sold it and to whom.
Legally, you may or may not have acted within the law.
But, you definitely failed to CYA (Cover Your barack). If any of the guns that you sold is subsequently used in a crime & is linked back to you, you have no way to prove that you transferred it to a resident of your state. Without your producing a photocopy of the buyer's drivers license (or, at the least, his DL information), any idiot federal ADA could convince a jury that you violated federal law.
Neal
Failure to keep records is not a good thing.
Legally, you may or may not have acted within the law.
But, you definitely failed to CYA (Cover Your barack). If any of the guns that you sold is subsequently used in a crime & is linked back to you, you have no way to prove that you transferred it to a resident of your state. Without your producing a photocopy of the buyer's drivers license (or, at the least, his DL information), any idiot federal ADA could convince a jury that you violated federal law.
Neal
+1
if my name I on a 4473 im not selling it without a receipt, and I.D. period , im not going to allow a buyer to resale it until it gets used in a crime, and the trace stops with me, that's just stupid
I have records back to 1989 of every gun that came and went
UNDER STATE LAW IN . Sales Where Records Retained Firearm Types Where Records Retained Duration of Required Retention
AL Dealer sales only Handguns only permanent
CA All sales All firearms 3 years
CO (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
CT All sales All firearms 5 years
DE (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
D.C. All sales All firearms unspecified
FL Dealer sales only Handguns only unspecified
IL (2 laws) All sales Handguns unspecified
All sales All firearms 10 years
ME Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MD (2 laws) All sales Handguns 3 years
Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MA Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
MI (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NJ (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms unspecified
Private sales Handguns only
NY (2 laws) Dealer sales Handguns unspecified
Private sales All firearms
NC Dealer sales only Handguns unspecified
OR Dealer sales only All firearms 5 years
PA (2 laws) Dealer sales only All firearms 20 years
Private sales Handguns only
RI All sales All firearms 6 years
VT Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years
WA Dealer sales only Handguns only 6 years
Where'd this info come from? In WA we cannot legally sell any firearm without using a FFL with a few exceptions anymore. The dealer may have to only keep records for 6 yrs but the Dept of Licensing keeps a record permanently.
If you live in SC it is perfectly legal to do a face to face with no required documentation.
I don't sell guns but I've recommended that local sales see/record a drivers license. Maybe a bill of sale, only because if the gun were later used in some sort of criminal event and recovered and traced to me I would want to be able to say when I sold it and to whom.
As it is in VA. However I typically do a BOS and get a VA ID and either Voter Registration card or CHL. That is pretty standard on the online classified board I buy and sell on.