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Patreaus

shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
edited December 2016 in General Discussion
I am not apposed to Patreaus being in the administration, however a cabinet position requires a security clearance. Patreaus pled guilty to mishandling classified information, a misdemeanor so wouldn't that make him ineligible to obtain a security clearance? Yes I know it was politically driven, that's not the point he chose to plead guilty rather than defend himself of the allegation. Yes I know Hillary did far worse, relativism is not the point either. So from a technical standpoint doesn't that create problems if not liabilities in the Trump administration? In fact Patreaus is still on probation for that criminal conviction.

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  • lpaalplpaalp Member Posts: 951 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He's not automatically and completely 'ineligible' for a security clearance; in fact, my guess is he is still cleared (?).

    There are rules and guidelines for approval and maintaining clearances, but, ultimately, its a judgement call on the part of the approving authority (whoever that might be in his case).

    Same applies to Hillary, who committed much more egregious violations and, under questioning, claimed she didn't know, or didn't remember so much.

    IMO, if someone powerful enough wants a clearance granted, it will be so.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,105 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If he was hired he F'n DEMOCRAT media would be having a conniption fit and you can be certain these DEMOCRATs would make comparisons and make many comparisons and ALL favorable to MRS Bill Clinton.

    One must give credit for Patreaus, for pleading guilty and he was in fact punished. He has both honor and character for doing so.

    However, lets not forget there is a big difference between he and MRS Bill Clinton and that is INTEGRITY. A hundred smoking guns were found pertaining to MRS Bill Clintons crimes, the difference is she will NEVER admit or confess.

    In her own mind she is NOT guilty: A problem in its self. She thinks she is above all laws written and moral; therefore, she is far more dangerous. MRS Bill Clinton is a sociopath.

    The real question boils down to who is best for the job. I seriously doubt if there is anyone more qualified than the General. No matter what Trump does, the DEMOCRAT party
    will constantly be telling us hourly through their propagandists in the media he is wrong, thus IMHO Trump should hire him anyway.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't like him and don't want him in the administration....[xx(]
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,891 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't see a problem here. First, a Presidential pardon from the Draft Dodger; then, an EO to expunge Petraeus' record; finally, restoration of his highest rank & back pay. That's it, he's innocent.

    A lot less questionable than Slick Willie granting a Presidential pardon to the late Marc Rich while Rich was a fugitive from justice & on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

    Heck, I'd even throw in a pardon for Martha Stewart; the regulations against lying to the FBI hadn't been clarified at the time.

    Neal
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Skip over him, and keep it clean.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am a fan of Patreaus, but I think he's untouchable now.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are others just as smart at Patreaus, just as talented as Patreaus and with a lot less baggage on his shoulders. It is better to keep it clean going into the upcoming fight with media and Congress.

    Patreaus blew it when he did what he did, no matter how trivial. There is a price to pay for that kind of stuff and he is paying it.

    Enjoy your retirement General, ya done real good right up until the point you did real bad.
  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.

    Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
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    Too old to live...too young to die...
  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.

    Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.


    He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.

    If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.

    In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.

    "Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.

    BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.

    Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.


    He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.

    If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.

    In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.

    "Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.

    BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.


    Well that certainly puts it in perspective. Do what I say not what I do...has an impact on one's true leadership

    His full press release is below.


    Message from the Director: Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case

    Statement to Employees by Director of Central Intelligence Agency David H. Petraeus on Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case

    October 23, 2012



    Earlier today, former Agency officer John Kiriakou pled guilty to one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) and, under the terms of a plea agreement, he will receive a sentence of 30 months in prison. As you may know, the FBI arrested Kiriakou in January on charges that he illegally disclosed national defense information to reporters concerning some of his fellow CIA officers, that he revealed the identity of an undercover officer to a reporter, and that he made false statements to our Publications Review Board.

    This case yielded the first IIPA successful prosecution in 27 years, and it marks an important victory for our Agency, for our Intelligence Community, and for our country. Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy. Accordingly, I thank our legal and counterintelligence specialists for their contributions to this effort, and I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the men and women of the Department of Justice in bringing this case to a successful conclusion.



    David H. Petraeus


    Historical Document
    Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:45 AM
    Last Updated: Apr 29, 2013 01:37 PM
    https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/2012-press-releasese-statements/statement--former-officer-convicted.html
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 10,461 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.

    Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.


    He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.

    If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.

    In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.

    "Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.

    BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.


    Well that certainly puts it in perspective. Do what I say not what I do...has an impact on one's true leadership

    His full press release is below.


    Message from the Director: Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case

    Statement to Employees by Director of Central Intelligence Agency David H. Petraeus on Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case

    October 23, 2012



    Earlier today, former Agency officer John Kiriakou pled guilty to one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) and, under the terms of a plea agreement, he will receive a sentence of 30 months in prison. As you may know, the FBI arrested Kiriakou in January on charges that he illegally disclosed national defense information to reporters concerning some of his fellow CIA officers, that he revealed the identity of an undercover officer to a reporter, and that he made false statements to our Publications Review Board.

    This case yielded the first IIPA successful prosecution in 27 years, and it marks an important victory for our Agency, for our Intelligence Community, and for our country. Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy. Accordingly, I thank our legal and counterintelligence specialists for their contributions to this effort, and I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the men and women of the Department of Justice in bringing this case to a successful conclusion.



    David H. Petraeus


    Historical Document
    Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:45 AM
    Last Updated: Apr 29, 2013 01:37 PM
    https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/2012-press-releasese-statements/statement--former-officer-convicted.html



    I would agree. That particular quote, never came to light, to me before now.
  • Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess I missed this thread. No one has mentioned that Petraeus signed on earlier this year with Mark Kelly to form a gun control advocacy group.

    The stated goal is to push for nationwide universal background checks...to 'protect our rights'.

    If the choices for SoS are Petraeus and Romney, I suggest continuing the search until a suitable person is found.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    Pass on Betrayus
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ole Judge Napolitano said on Fox that Trump would have to first pardon Patreaus before he nominated him. He says that Patraeus is currently ineligble to hold office because in his plea deal he admitted to taking government property.
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Patreaus blew it when he did what he did, no matter how trivial. There is a price to pay for that kind of stuff and he is paying it.


    What Patreaus did pales in comparison to all the things the hildabeast has done and she's still walking (hobbling) the streets a free woman. As long as that woman is free everyone sitting in prison should be released. She's worse than any criminal in the USA.
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag

    What Patreaus did pales in comparison to all the things the hildabeast has done and she's still walking (hobbling) the streets a free woman. As long as that woman is free everyone sitting in prison should be released. She's worse than any criminal in the USA.





    True, but lets not start the show pardoning an admitted criminal and making him the SOS..... No pardon for BetrayUS and NO SOS for him or Milquetoast .....
  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    From the GOA website and newsletter:

    Anti-gun activist David Petraeus is under consideration for the position of Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
    Although Petraeus seldom speaks publicly on domestic issues, he hates guns so much that he teamed up with anti-gun leader Mark Kelly and his wife, Gabrielle Giffords, to co-found the Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, an anti-gun organization devoted to "do[ing] more to prevent gun tragedies" by "urging lawmakers to toughen gun laws."
    Not surprisingly, the Leftist media is elated that a gun-hater like Petraeus might be awarded the top Cabinet post by Trump.This is true even though Petraeus, in November 2012, resigned as CIA Director and pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to a biographer with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
    But Petraeus' "Clinton-like" disregard for American security is the least of his problems.
    As Secretary of State, Petraeus would play a key role in deciding whether to remove the U.S. from the UN Arms Trade Treaty (UN ATT). This agreement would mandate gun registration, and would authorize comprehensive gun bans -- all goals supported by Petraeus' colleagues Kelly and Giffords.
    Petraeus would effectively decide whether to push for ratification of the anti-gun UN Small Arms Treaty.
    Finally, Petraeus would have jurisdiction over the international trade (ITAR) regulations. Under Clinton/Kerry "guidance," these regulations have been expanded to outlaw gunsmithing. In addition, a gun technician who communicates "how-to" information about guns on the Internet (without purchasing a $2,250 State Department license) could be prosecuted and imprisoned.
    You can read GOA's comments against these anti-gun State Department regulations here.
    If anti-gun Patraeus is nominated and confirmed, we can expect these policies to be continued and expanded.
    Donald Trump was elected with the broad support of members of the Second Amendment community. We believe it would be a huge mistake to begin his transition by putting an anti-gun activist in a position whether he could regulate and ban guns.
    Sincerely,
    Tim Macy
    Chairman
  • use enough gunuse enough gun Member Posts: 1,443 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would still like to see John Bolton as Sec. of State. I'm also one that always gives second chances and I think Patreaus is to valuable to be sitting on the sidelines. I think Trump needs him in some capacity.Dave
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Ironic,isnt it? How supposed pro-gun people on a gun forum will blindly support anti-gun candidates...[xx(]

    quote:Originally posted by DirtyDawg
    From the GOA website and newsletter:

    Anti-gun activist David Petraeus is under consideration for the position of Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
    Although Petraeus seldom speaks publicly on domestic issues, he hates guns so much that he teamed up with anti-gun leader Mark Kelly and his wife, Gabrielle Giffords, to co-found the Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, an anti-gun organization devoted to "do[ing] more to prevent gun tragedies" by "urging lawmakers to toughen gun laws."
    Not surprisingly, the Leftist media is elated that a gun-hater like Petraeus might be awarded the top Cabinet post by Trump.This is true even though Petraeus, in November 2012, resigned as CIA Director and pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to a biographer with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
    But Petraeus' "Clinton-like" disregard for American security is the least of his problems.
    As Secretary of State, Petraeus would play a key role in deciding whether to remove the U.S. from the UN Arms Trade Treaty (UN ATT). This agreement would mandate gun registration, and would authorize comprehensive gun bans -- all goals supported by Petraeus' colleagues Kelly and Giffords.
    Petraeus would effectively decide whether to push for ratification of the anti-gun UN Small Arms Treaty.
    Finally, Petraeus would have jurisdiction over the international trade (ITAR) regulations. Under Clinton/Kerry "guidance," these regulations have been expanded to outlaw gunsmithing. In addition, a gun technician who communicates "how-to" information about guns on the Internet (without purchasing a $2,250 State Department license) could be prosecuted and imprisoned.
    You can read GOA's comments against these anti-gun State Department regulations here.
    If anti-gun Patraeus is nominated and confirmed, we can expect these policies to be continued and expanded.
    Donald Trump was elected with the broad support of members of the Second Amendment community. We believe it would be a huge mistake to begin his transition by putting an anti-gun activist in a position whether he could regulate and ban guns.
    Sincerely,
    Tim Macy
    Chairman
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,891 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm changing my position.

    Petraeus' admission of guilt shouldn't be held against; it's called a "plea bargain". By admitting to a misdemeanor, he avoided prosecution for a felony. Everyone does it; no one wants to serve jail time if they can avoid it.

    But, signing on with Commie Mark is tantamount to treason. To heck with him. I wouldn't give the convicted general a job as a greeter at Walmart.

    Neal
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lpaalp
    He's not automatically and completely 'ineligible' for a security clearance; in fact, my guess is he is still cleared (?).

    There are rules and guidelines for approval and maintaining clearances, but, ultimately, its a judgement call on the part of the approving authority (whoever that might be in his case).

    Same applies to Hillary, who committed much more egregious violations and, under questioning, claimed she didn't know, or didn't remember so much.

    IMO, if someone powerful enough wants a clearance granted, it will be so.

    William Jefferson (Moscow Bill) Clinton was cleared for everything including Mess Deck Scuttlebutt. Anything can happen.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are many good folks who can do the job...
    "What is truth?'
  • JimmyJackJimmyJack Member Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He is anti gun. Enough for me.
  • DirtyDawgDirtyDawg Member Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always referred to him as David Betrayus.
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.

    Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.


    + 1
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If Trump insists on having Patraeus in a leadership position in his Administration I'd rather see him at DOD, NSA, CIA or DHS than Sec of State. Let an experienced diplomat like John Bolton run State. Put him in charge of cleaning up the VA, if he does a good job in Trump's first term, consider him for a higher post later.
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