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Patreaus
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I am not apposed to Patreaus being in the administration, however a cabinet position requires a security clearance. Patreaus pled guilty to mishandling classified information, a misdemeanor so wouldn't that make him ineligible to obtain a security clearance? Yes I know it was politically driven, that's not the point he chose to plead guilty rather than defend himself of the allegation. Yes I know Hillary did far worse, relativism is not the point either. So from a technical standpoint doesn't that create problems if not liabilities in the Trump administration? In fact Patreaus is still on probation for that criminal conviction.
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There are rules and guidelines for approval and maintaining clearances, but, ultimately, its a judgement call on the part of the approving authority (whoever that might be in his case).
Same applies to Hillary, who committed much more egregious violations and, under questioning, claimed she didn't know, or didn't remember so much.
IMO, if someone powerful enough wants a clearance granted, it will be so.
One must give credit for Patreaus, for pleading guilty and he was in fact punished. He has both honor and character for doing so.
However, lets not forget there is a big difference between he and MRS Bill Clinton and that is INTEGRITY. A hundred smoking guns were found pertaining to MRS Bill Clintons crimes, the difference is she will NEVER admit or confess.
In her own mind she is NOT guilty: A problem in its self. She thinks she is above all laws written and moral; therefore, she is far more dangerous. MRS Bill Clinton is a sociopath.
The real question boils down to who is best for the job. I seriously doubt if there is anyone more qualified than the General. No matter what Trump does, the DEMOCRAT party
will constantly be telling us hourly through their propagandists in the media he is wrong, thus IMHO Trump should hire him anyway.
A lot less questionable than Slick Willie granting a Presidential pardon to the late Marc Rich while Rich was a fugitive from justice & on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.
Heck, I'd even throw in a pardon for Martha Stewart; the regulations against lying to the FBI hadn't been clarified at the time.
Neal
Patreaus blew it when he did what he did, no matter how trivial. There is a price to pay for that kind of stuff and he is paying it.
Enjoy your retirement General, ya done real good right up until the point you did real bad.
Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
Too old to live...too young to die...
Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.
Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.
If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.
In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.
"Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.
BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.
quote:Originally posted by Doc
Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.
Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.
If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.
In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.
"Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.
BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.
Well that certainly puts it in perspective. Do what I say not what I do...has an impact on one's true leadership
His full press release is below.
Message from the Director: Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case
Statement to Employees by Director of Central Intelligence Agency David H. Petraeus on Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case
October 23, 2012
Earlier today, former Agency officer John Kiriakou pled guilty to one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) and, under the terms of a plea agreement, he will receive a sentence of 30 months in prison. As you may know, the FBI arrested Kiriakou in January on charges that he illegally disclosed national defense information to reporters concerning some of his fellow CIA officers, that he revealed the identity of an undercover officer to a reporter, and that he made false statements to our Publications Review Board.
This case yielded the first IIPA successful prosecution in 27 years, and it marks an important victory for our Agency, for our Intelligence Community, and for our country. Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy. Accordingly, I thank our legal and counterintelligence specialists for their contributions to this effort, and I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the men and women of the Department of Justice in bringing this case to a successful conclusion.
David H. Petraeus
Historical Document
Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:45 AM
Last Updated: Apr 29, 2013 01:37 PM
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/2012-press-releasese-statements/statement--former-officer-convicted.html
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
quote:Originally posted by Doc
Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.
Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
He's holding a very important position right now. He's an example that all people, no matter how high in the government or how many stars or how many academic degrees, must obey the law. He betrayed an oath he took, and did so to keep sleeping with a woman who wasn't his wife.
If Trump takes office and pardons Petraeus, he reinforces the idea that there is one standard of justice for 99% of Americans, and another for the top 1%.
In 2012 after John Kiriakou, a former agency officer, was convicted of leaking classified information. Petraeus sent this message to the CIA workforce about the man's leaks.
"Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy," Petraeus wrote.
BTW, prosecuting attorneys wanted this statement included in Petraeus's plea deal. Patraeus got his lawyers to get it out. Interesting.
Well that certainly puts it in perspective. Do what I say not what I do...has an impact on one's true leadership
His full press release is below.
Message from the Director: Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case
Statement to Employees by Director of Central Intelligence Agency David H. Petraeus on Former Officer Convicted in Leak Case
October 23, 2012
Earlier today, former Agency officer John Kiriakou pled guilty to one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) and, under the terms of a plea agreement, he will receive a sentence of 30 months in prison. As you may know, the FBI arrested Kiriakou in January on charges that he illegally disclosed national defense information to reporters concerning some of his fellow CIA officers, that he revealed the identity of an undercover officer to a reporter, and that he made false statements to our Publications Review Board.
This case yielded the first IIPA successful prosecution in 27 years, and it marks an important victory for our Agency, for our Intelligence Community, and for our country. Oaths do matter, and there are indeed consequences for those who believe they are above the laws that protect our fellow officers and enable American intelligence agencies to operate with the requisite degree of secrecy. Accordingly, I thank our legal and counterintelligence specialists for their contributions to this effort, and I appreciate the hard work and dedication of the men and women of the Department of Justice in bringing this case to a successful conclusion.
David H. Petraeus
Historical Document
Posted: Oct 24, 2012 10:45 AM
Last Updated: Apr 29, 2013 01:37 PM
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/2012-press-releasese-statements/statement--former-officer-convicted.html
I would agree. That particular quote, never came to light, to me before now.
The stated goal is to push for nationwide universal background checks...to 'protect our rights'.
If the choices for SoS are Petraeus and Romney, I suggest continuing the search until a suitable person is found.
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Patreaus blew it when he did what he did, no matter how trivial. There is a price to pay for that kind of stuff and he is paying it.
What Patreaus did pales in comparison to all the things the hildabeast has done and she's still walking (hobbling) the streets a free woman. As long as that woman is free everyone sitting in prison should be released. She's worse than any criminal in the USA.
What Patreaus did pales in comparison to all the things the hildabeast has done and she's still walking (hobbling) the streets a free woman. As long as that woman is free everyone sitting in prison should be released. She's worse than any criminal in the USA.
True, but lets not start the show pardoning an admitted criminal and making him the SOS..... No pardon for BetrayUS and NO SOS for him or Milquetoast .....
Anti-gun activist David Petraeus is under consideration for the position of Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
Although Petraeus seldom speaks publicly on domestic issues, he hates guns so much that he teamed up with anti-gun leader Mark Kelly and his wife, Gabrielle Giffords, to co-found the Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, an anti-gun organization devoted to "do[ing] more to prevent gun tragedies" by "urging lawmakers to toughen gun laws."
Not surprisingly, the Leftist media is elated that a gun-hater like Petraeus might be awarded the top Cabinet post by Trump.This is true even though Petraeus, in November 2012, resigned as CIA Director and pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to a biographer with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
But Petraeus' "Clinton-like" disregard for American security is the least of his problems.
As Secretary of State, Petraeus would play a key role in deciding whether to remove the U.S. from the UN Arms Trade Treaty (UN ATT). This agreement would mandate gun registration, and would authorize comprehensive gun bans -- all goals supported by Petraeus' colleagues Kelly and Giffords.
Petraeus would effectively decide whether to push for ratification of the anti-gun UN Small Arms Treaty.
Finally, Petraeus would have jurisdiction over the international trade (ITAR) regulations. Under Clinton/Kerry "guidance," these regulations have been expanded to outlaw gunsmithing. In addition, a gun technician who communicates "how-to" information about guns on the Internet (without purchasing a $2,250 State Department license) could be prosecuted and imprisoned.
You can read GOA's comments against these anti-gun State Department regulations here.
If anti-gun Patraeus is nominated and confirmed, we can expect these policies to be continued and expanded.
Donald Trump was elected with the broad support of members of the Second Amendment community. We believe it would be a huge mistake to begin his transition by putting an anti-gun activist in a position whether he could regulate and ban guns.
Sincerely,
Tim Macy
Chairman
quote:Originally posted by DirtyDawg
From the GOA website and newsletter:
Anti-gun activist David Petraeus is under consideration for the position of Secretary of State in the Trump administration.
Although Petraeus seldom speaks publicly on domestic issues, he hates guns so much that he teamed up with anti-gun leader Mark Kelly and his wife, Gabrielle Giffords, to co-found the Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, an anti-gun organization devoted to "do[ing] more to prevent gun tragedies" by "urging lawmakers to toughen gun laws."
Not surprisingly, the Leftist media is elated that a gun-hater like Petraeus might be awarded the top Cabinet post by Trump.This is true even though Petraeus, in November 2012, resigned as CIA Director and pleaded guilty to leaking classified information to a biographer with whom he was having an extramarital affair.
But Petraeus' "Clinton-like" disregard for American security is the least of his problems.
As Secretary of State, Petraeus would play a key role in deciding whether to remove the U.S. from the UN Arms Trade Treaty (UN ATT). This agreement would mandate gun registration, and would authorize comprehensive gun bans -- all goals supported by Petraeus' colleagues Kelly and Giffords.
Petraeus would effectively decide whether to push for ratification of the anti-gun UN Small Arms Treaty.
Finally, Petraeus would have jurisdiction over the international trade (ITAR) regulations. Under Clinton/Kerry "guidance," these regulations have been expanded to outlaw gunsmithing. In addition, a gun technician who communicates "how-to" information about guns on the Internet (without purchasing a $2,250 State Department license) could be prosecuted and imprisoned.
You can read GOA's comments against these anti-gun State Department regulations here.
If anti-gun Patraeus is nominated and confirmed, we can expect these policies to be continued and expanded.
Donald Trump was elected with the broad support of members of the Second Amendment community. We believe it would be a huge mistake to begin his transition by putting an anti-gun activist in a position whether he could regulate and ban guns.
Sincerely,
Tim Macy
Chairman
Petraeus' admission of guilt shouldn't be held against; it's called a "plea bargain". By admitting to a misdemeanor, he avoided prosecution for a felony. Everyone does it; no one wants to serve jail time if they can avoid it.
But, signing on with Commie Mark is tantamount to treason. To heck with him. I wouldn't give the convicted general a job as a greeter at Walmart.
Neal
He's not automatically and completely 'ineligible' for a security clearance; in fact, my guess is he is still cleared (?).
There are rules and guidelines for approval and maintaining clearances, but, ultimately, its a judgement call on the part of the approving authority (whoever that might be in his case).
Same applies to Hillary, who committed much more egregious violations and, under questioning, claimed she didn't know, or didn't remember so much.
IMO, if someone powerful enough wants a clearance granted, it will be so.
William Jefferson (Moscow Bill) Clinton was cleared for everything including Mess Deck Scuttlebutt. Anything can happen.
Four star general with a PhD and many years intel experience. Sounds like pretty rare air to me. "Lots of others as qualified." Maybe.
Thinking with his dick burned him. I wouldn't object to him holding a position again.
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