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So now we are going to pay for the wall
He Dog
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Wonder what else is going to change.
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Juan Tonabondo
There are other ways to make Mexico "pay" for the wall. Besides I will be satisfied with actual enforcement of the border to begin with, along with actual deportation and incarceration for repeat offenders.
Try not to panic just yet.
I know Mexico has had a "tab" with us for a long time and I do not believe they have ever paid up!
IMO we should just give them back the entire state of California and make them keep all the liberal citizens thereof.
We could move Texas to the west coast and place California lengthwise across the bottom of the country bordering old Mexico. After all, this IS the 21st century![;)]
It all adds up to the same thing. You do not need a "check" from Mexico, in order to pay for the wall.
I believe PEOTUS Trump is very well aware of this.
Our government stopped General Pershing way too soon when he took his little march across the Rio Grande.
Land mines, razor wire and warning signs every 50 feet would be cheaper.
Agreed, but would never pass as PC. Too bad really, as that would be the proper border deterrent.
Speaking from his presidential palace, Enrique Pe?a Nieto, revealed the Mexican plans to waiting journalists.
"We have taken up the mantle to build the wall and will foot the cost as well. As agreed, the wall will go along the entire U.S. Mexico border."
Unbeknownst to Trump, he did not specify how tall the wall should be, and when he finds out the wall will only be three feet high, he is sure to hit the roof.
"That is a minor detail we did not reveal to Se?or Trump. The wall will be three feet high but it will fulfil our contract, and there is nothing the Don can do about it. Even an eight year old kid can jump over," the Mexican president added.
The El Paso sector has been beefed up, wall-wise, from a 3-strand rusty wire fence that one could step over, to a sensor-enhanced, blimp-surveilled, high-tech zone of observation.
Yet, only 30-40% of interlopers are detained. The cartels have trillions invested in spreading their poisons; we have had taxpayer-funded idiots preventing our guardians from doing their jobs for at least the last 8 years. Can ya smell the irony?!
You don't need a physical wall if there is an economic wall in place. They come to get jobs,money,benefits, etc. remove those and they have no longer any reason to come here.
exactly.
These people are DEMOCRAT operatives and propaganda spreaders.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
You don't need a physical wall if there is an economic wall in place. They come to get jobs,money,benefits, etc. remove those and they have no longer any reason to come here.
exactly.
I'll believe that when you don't need a fence and good dog to keep the fox and other predators from the henhouse.
Or are you saying that we need to turn the USA into a cesspool like they live to deter them?
A business knows that. Trump knows that. Trump always knew that.
Brad Steele
If we stop giving South American and Mexico money it pays for itself
If we include a tariff for anything made in Mexico to cross into America it pays for itself
Not only that, but given enough economic sanctions, stop giving them free money - "aid," and prevent jobs from leaving here, and going there. Etc. etc.
It all adds up to the same thing. You do not need a "check" from Mexico, in order to pay for the wall.
I believe PEOTUS Trump is very well aware of this.
Bingo! We have a winner!
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
First, no one was ever going to build a wall; it's always been a fence, & not much of a fence in many sections. Did anyone ever hear of the Great Fence of China? Of course not. A fence is even more temporary than a wall.
Think of it, 1,300 miles is a LONG fence. The Mexican drug cartels have shown how easy it is for them to build deep tunnels under any fence or wall. Patrolling a fence that long will require expanding CBP to expand to 100,000 workers, plus building hundreds of new facilities. That's crazy.
Romney had it right; we need to encourage self-deportation by enforcing current law. And, I would increase the penalty from the current $500 fine to: up to 5 years in federal prison. (Note that a violation, even with a token amount of prison time, would result in loss of right to vote & right to possess a firearm.) IRS calls this method "voluntary compliance"; meaning, if you don't voluntarily do what we want, we will send you to jail, & it will take only a couple of jailed violators to make the others realize that they don't want to take a chance.
Neal
Anything he does about the wall is better than the democraps have done and Jail employers that knowingly hire illegals
A wall is something a DEMOCRAT builds to protect himself. Checkout Obama's post retirement mansion on Drudge.
"Open borders" is a key part of the DEMOCRATs plan for America.
Also when we ship them back send them to the southern tip of Mexico so they can't turn around and cross the border the very next day again.
Too easy still. Also they come from multiple countries. Set up a barge or large vessel in international water. Ship em there and let family come and get em.
This is all money that does not circulate through the American economy. And it surpasses foreign oil payments as a source of revenue for Mexico. Make that transfer of funds more difficult, and we gain both economic activity and an incentive for Mexico to 'cooperate'. There are also a number of possibilities to tax those transfers that can be explored.
Or we can shuffle our feet and declare that 'woe is us, there is nothing we can do'. Which seems a popular pass time around here.
They are already celebrating the wall in Mexico.[:D]
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/01/07/riots-looting-mexico-spiking-gas-prices/
Good news. More pressure on Mexico and the endemic corruption. Maybe the gutless cowards that call themselves mexican citizens will finally act like they own a pair and have themselves a nice revolution.
Remittances to Mexico spiked after the election and hit $26+ BILLION for the year. $71 million per day. $2.9 million per hour.
This is all money that does not circulate through the American economy. And it surpasses foreign oil payments as a source of revenue for Mexico. Make that transfer of funds more difficult, and we gain both economic activity and an incentive for Mexico to 'cooperate'. There are also a number of possibilities to tax those transfers that can be explored.
Or we can shuffle our feet and declare that 'woe is us, there is nothing we can do'. Which seems a popular pass time around here.
There appears to not be an accounting of from whom the money comes, Dads, and estimates vary. A couple of sources (perhaps from the same data, I don't know) suggest that approximately half of this $ 26 Billion is from illegal residents.
The $ 13 billion would be the only money we could disrupt, as there is (nor should there be) a Constitutional means to interdict funds from legal residents.
$ 13 Billion is still a significant amount of money to the Mexican economy, and cutting this off would, perhaps with an appeal to the Mexican Government concerning the devastation the drug trade is doing along its northern tier, be and incentive to have them work with us to secure the border. Securing it to stop the drug trafficking would by necessity reduce the human traffic as well.
Brad Steele
You don't need a physical wall if there is an economic wall in place. They come to get jobs,money,benefits, etc. remove those and they have no longer any reason to come here.
Yep,...same thing I've been saying for years. Quite simple actually.[:)]
Obama lets major drug dealers out of prison. Obama says they are not violent criminals. All the gang killings in Chicago and other cities it actually over the territory or the bubble gum distributors. 25,000 people a year are actually overdosing on bubble gum. Don't you know.
They don;t want to stop the flow of cash the just want to collect some now and then.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
Remittances to Mexico spiked after the election and hit $26+ BILLION for the year. $71 million per day. $2.9 million per hour.
This is all money that does not circulate through the American economy. And it surpasses foreign oil payments as a source of revenue for Mexico. Make that transfer of funds more difficult, and we gain both economic activity and an incentive for Mexico to 'cooperate'. There are also a number of possibilities to tax those transfers that can be explored.
Or we can shuffle our feet and declare that 'woe is us, there is nothing we can do'. Which seems a popular pass time around here.
There appears to not be an accounting of from whom the money comes, Dads, and estimates vary. A couple of sources (perhaps from the same data, I don't know) suggest that approximately half of this $ 26 Billion is from illegal residents.
The $ 13 billion would be the only money we could disrupt, as there is (nor should there be) a Constitutional means to interdict funds from legal residents.
$ 13 Billion is still a significant amount of money to the Mexican economy, and cutting this off would, perhaps with an appeal to the Mexican Government concerning the devastation the drug trade is doing along its northern tier, be and incentive to have them work with us to secure the border. Securing it to stop the drug trafficking would by necessity reduce the human traffic as well.
The proportion of illegal vs legal remittance is a moving target, but there is a fairly reasonable school of thought that reasons that the % sent by illegals is higher, because this here legally are more likely to have families and expenses located in the US. This flow should be shut off immediately.
While I agree that citizens and legal residents should not face the total restriction on remittance that illegals should, I would add one caveat. If my taxes are subsidizing a citizen or legal resident in the form of food stamps, welfare, school lunches, Medicaid...ANYTHING...no sendee monee.
If you need me to support your existence here, you can't afford to send money there.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
Remittances to Mexico spiked after the election and hit $26+ BILLION for the year. $71 million per day. $2.9 million per hour.
This is all money that does not circulate through the American economy. And it surpasses foreign oil payments as a source of revenue for Mexico. Make that transfer of funds more difficult, and we gain both economic activity and an incentive for Mexico to 'cooperate'. There are also a number of possibilities to tax those transfers that can be explored.
Or we can shuffle our feet and declare that 'woe is us, there is nothing we can do'. Which seems a popular pass time around here.
There appears to not be an accounting of from whom the money comes, Dads, and estimates vary. A couple of sources (perhaps from the same data, I don't know) suggest that approximately half of this $ 26 Billion is from illegal residents.
The $ 13 billion would be the only money we could disrupt, as there is (nor should there be) a Constitutional means to interdict funds from legal residents.
$ 13 Billion is still a significant amount of money to the Mexican economy, and cutting this off would, perhaps with an appeal to the Mexican Government concerning the devastation the drug trade is doing along its northern tier, be and incentive to have them work with us to secure the border. Securing it to stop the drug trafficking would by necessity reduce the human traffic as well.
The proportion of illegal vs legal remittance is a moving target, but there is a fairly reasonable school of thought that reasons that the % sent by illegals is higher, because this here legally are more likely to have families and expenses located in the US. This flow should be shut off immediately.
While I agree that citizens and legal residents should not face the total restriction on remittance that illegals should, I would add one caveat. If my taxes are subsidizing a citizen or legal resident in the form of food stamps, welfare, school lunches, Medicaid...ANYTHING...no sendee monee.
If you need me to support your existence here, you can't afford to send money there.
Give that man a standing ovation!!!
I have been awake and smelling the coffee along time son. It is about Obama and the others as well. Obama is all the others on steroids. The only difference is their motives. They both wanted the illegals and the legals workers. There is no way to stop the drugs without stopping the illegals. Drugs can't be stopped completely but they can be cut to a trickle. 25,000 people a year die from drug related causes and that doesn't count all the gang shootings in places like Chicago.
You can count two of my kids among them that were killed and one of my grand children. What do you know about drugs Barz? Snipers sound good to me.
PS. we don't need to stop a hundred dollar bill in a book. There sending it by the boat load and the truck load.
You sound so wise. I don't think you know half as much as you think you do.
I wish we could just stfu and let the man take office.
Great idea Mr. Cheese, but that would deprive those who said Trump wasn't the guy to remind us that they said Trump wasn't the guy.