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??? for the scientists here

iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
You are in a car traveling at the speed of light. You turn the headlight switch to "on".

Does anything happen?

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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, lots. But you would not understand it if I told you.[:D][:D][:D]
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    probably burn your fingers on the switch.[;)]
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What if the switch is made by Semens?
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
    What if the switch is made by Semens?


    then the car was designed by DWS if it's made out of semen.
  • royc38royc38 Member Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would like to know where did you buy your engine? And do they have anymore in stock?[;)]
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Detroit won't let me tell where I got the engine
  • spurgemasturspurgemastur Member Posts: 5,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The apparent speed of most objects is affected by the speed of the viewer. For example, a ball in motion on a train may appear to be moving 5 MPH or 75 MPH, depending on whether you are inside or outside the train.

    If I remember correctly, light does not behave that way. Light appears to move at the speed of light, independent of the speed of the viewer. But I think at the speed of light time stops, so it might be kind of difficult to get to the light switch in the first place.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, since you (and car) are traveling at the speed of light, when you reach for the switch, your hand would have to move FASTER than light, and since (in this universe) you can't do that, you would never reach the light switch. If the switch was on, electricity (moving at speed of light) could not get to the bulb, so would not light. And with your luck, you would get a hell of a speeding ticket for trying any of this. (Do you know how fast you were going?)[:p]
  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    According to Einstein, we cannot reach or exceed the speed of light. If we did, we would turn into energy (or something like that) and time would slow to a halt.
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,286 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by royc38
    I would like to know where did you buy your engine? And do they have anymore in stock?[;)]

    Shucks, my 6.1 Powdersmoke'll do better than that!
  • Spc FergusonSpc Ferguson Member Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    Please dont ask anyone on Capitol Hill as they might spend millions having this hypothetical farce study done. I think you think too much.....too

    make a phone call its already in the works.
  • trapguy2007trapguy2007 Member Posts: 8,959
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Spc Ferguson
    quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
    Please dont ask anyone on Capitol Hill as they might spend millions having this hypothetical farce study done. I think you think too much.....too

    make a phone call its already in the works.

    At a cost of 50 Mil. to the taxpayers !
  • ripley16ripley16 Member Posts: 4,834
    edited November -1
    OK, Who violated the Prime Directive?
    You people aren't supposed to know about
    warp speed for another six centuries.
    star_wars_star_trek.jpg
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Only if you have the new heavy particle emmision flood lights.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,244 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Well if it's traveling at the speed of light it certainly ain't a Chevy.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    everything in and around the car, including the occupants and what they do, would appear completely normal to them. as if they were standing still and the rest of the universe was streaking by at the speed of light.

    if you were standing on planet X and saw the car go by at the speed of light, it would appear to be a car frozen in time with photons shooting out of the headlights, also frozen in time. but it's all going by at the speed of light.

    a few light years away on planet Y, the photons coming out of the headlights would have made some progress.

    keep in mind that nothing about the car is actually traveling at the speed of light relative to the rest of the universe, because mass can't do that. it becomes infinitely heavier as it approaches the speed of light. extra speed is translated into mass instead. that's how it is that the headlights can actually work, because that's light but the rest of the car is matter that has mass.
  • jeffb1911jeffb1911 Member Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Base price for speeding ticket here $97, plus $2 for every mile over the limit......Press hard, there are four copies!
  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886
    edited November -1
    That's why it's the theory of relativity. If you are exceeding the speed of light, everything you've caused to exceed the speed of light will also have done so.

    Fire a gun..light + fps of bullet.

    Turn on headlight..light times light.

    Shine light out the back window..light beam starts at the point you turned on the light, and goes back to the point of origin. When you turn off the light, the beam will stop at the point you shut it off.

    Think of it as a skywriting airplane making smoke symbols. Joe

    You caused the first occurence, all other occurences are relative to your first action. Joe

    EDIT:
    Remember..folks were having this same discussion about exceeding the speed of sound as little as sixty-one years ago. Never discount any possibility, or your mind atrophies, and dies a slow death. Joe
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Wouldn't the light travel away from it's source at the speed of light? If the source were traveling at the speed of light, and the light was traveling away from its source at the speed of light, wouldn't that mean that the light was traveling at 2x the speed of light![}:)]
  • givettegivette Member Posts: 10,886
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dheffley
    Wouldn't the light travel away from it's source at the speed of light? If the source were traveling at the speed of light, and the light was traveling away from its source at the speed of light, wouldn't that mean that the light was traveling at 2x the speed of light![}:)]


    Yep. If you shone the light forward. However, if you shone the light rearward, the beam would begin at the point you turned it on, and would travel with you (elongating), until you shut off the light, then the beam would stop. Sorta like a very long "dash" in the heavens. You wouldn't see it, however, unless you were in the energy path created by the light. The only time you can see your car's headlights is during a fog, etc. Best, Joe
  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    law of relativity, ice.
    sorta like smoke fumes in a moving car with windows closed.
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  • kristovkristov Member Posts: 6,633
    edited November -1
    If you are using Lucas electrics your vehicle will probably disentigrate.

    The three position Lucas switch - Dim, Flicker and Off, with off indicating that your wiring harness is now on fire.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    irrelevant question


    what good would they be at that speed
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The man asked a very valid question and got a lot of smart * answers. If you don't know or at least have a theory then why answer at all? A couple how ever were well thought out. I don't know but sure would like to. I don't buy the theory that nothing can exceed the speed of light either.
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    The man asked a very valid question and got a lot of smart * answers. If you don't know or at least have a theory then why answer at all? A couple how ever were well thought out. I don't know but sure would like to. I don't buy the theory that nothing can exceed the speed of light either.


    Damn, retirement is making you pissy. Don
  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    I don't buy the theory that nothing can exceed the speed of light either.


    You would be correct,

    Eat a few pickled eggs with lousiana supreme habanero sauce on it, one of them tail winds will clear a room quicker than you could turn the lights on.
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Haven't retired yet. Just wait if you want to see pissy! [}:)]
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rosie
    Haven't retired yet. Just wait if you want to see pissy! [}:)]


    I know. You need to make a trip down here, we could put the grand kids on the horses, shoot a few hogs and maybe toss a few beers. Don
  • helicopter_pilothelicopter_pilot Member Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This explains it pretty well.

    http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_095.html

    quote:Dear Cecil:

    I have a question about the inability of matter to exceed the speed of light.

    Suppose I am in a spaceship traveling at the speed of light minus five miles per hour. What would happen if I fired a gun in the direction that the ship is moving? Or tried to run forward at six miles per hour?

    Would I prove Einstein wrong? --John B., Niles, Illinois

    Dear John:

    There are two ways we can go about this.

    First there is the Way of the Wimp, wherein I simply tell you no, you wouldn't prove Einstein wrong, and we leave it at that. This avoids distracting complications, but leaves something to be desired from the standpoint of intellectual rigor.

    Then there is the Way of Righteousness, which requires mental tenacity and moxie. Fortify yourself and we'll give it a shot...

    Read the article for the Way of Righteousness.
  • bigcitybillbigcitybill Member Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The speed of light is THE top of the speed heap and no person or thing can travel that fast. IF you did, your molecules would come unglued [;)]
  • MEMPHISJOEMEMPHISJOE Member Posts: 185 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slipgate
    According to Einstein, we cannot reach or exceed the speed of light. If we did, we would turn into energy (or something like that) and time would slow to a halt.

    Has anyone heard of TACHYONS? For those interested in such things, many articles are available on line.
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
    The speed of light is THE top of the speed heap and no person or thing can travel that fast. IF you did, your molecules would come unglued [;)]


    You theory begs the question; does light have mass? Einstein and Hawkings maintained that nothing with MASS can exceed the speed of light.

    PS bobski - relativity is the answer (I may have known the answer before I asked the question).

    And this is for Kristov -
    LUCASSMOKEGENLABEL.jpg
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    nope. You and I appear to be on the same page.
  • wlfmn323wlfmn323 Member Posts: 4,712
    edited November -1
    given that all things against such speed is out the window.

    if you are traveling at the speed of light, and you turned on your lights, in theory the lights would come on but they would be no use to you,because you are traveling at the same speed.

    second theory says that the lights would shine in front of you because the light from the car is traveling at x speed, with the car. it could foreseeably then leave the vehicle at an accelerated x+x.

    one must remember that theories are only thoughts of how something is before it is either a, proved or b, disproved. current technology would not be able to prove or dispel the formentioned theories
  • helicopter_pilothelicopter_pilot Member Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wlfmn323
    second theory says that the lights would shine in front of you because the light from the car is traveling at x speed, with the car. it could foreseeably then leave the vehicle at an accelerated x+x.

    No, it wouldn't be x+x. (See the article linked upthread for the equation and explanation.) But the light would appear to be ahead of you because you're compressed along the axis of travel.
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