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Concealed Carry/Self Defense ???s

TavisTavis Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
edited November 2007 in General Discussion
Hi everyone, long time lurker, first time poster. Some of you might know my brother, he used to post here with the name BillCostik, or BillC, Or BCostik, something like that anyways. If you do remember him, he's working for a gun dealer here in town now.

Anyways, the reason I'm posting, is I have a couple questions about concealed carrying/self defense. I can't ask bill, because he's too biased about some guns and cartridges IMO.
First off, I've been looking at the Springfield XD. I like the look, I like how they're designed, (grip safety, the cocked and loaded chamber indicators, etc,) and I like how durable they seem to be. I've looked here, and most everyone who has one hasn't had any problems with them. My first questions is, is there a difference, besides aesthetics's, between the black slide and the stainless? When I get my pistol, I'm leaning towards the stainless steel, because I like how it looks, and it seems like scratches and scrapes won't show up as easily as they would on a black slide. Secondly, I'm up in the air as to get a 9MM or a 40SW. I've heard, from my brother, that a 9 won't stop people if they get hit with them. However, I think that most people, if they got hit with anything more than a 22, would stop in their tracks, especially if its a well placed shot. I can't imagine stopping a robbery, or a burglary, or the like, and having to hit someone more than once. Is there really that much power difference between the 9mm and the 40? Or does it pretty much boil down to what you use, CJ, FMJ, etc?

Sorry for the rather longish post, but thanks in advance for your help.

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  • Jacob2008Jacob2008 Member Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cant answer your question, but welcome..

    tell your brother we all said hello!
  • Sav99Sav99 Member Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not sure about your first question, but my opinion on caliber would be go with the 40 cal. A little more expensive to shoot but also a more effective round for self defense. Welcome to GB.
  • TavisTavis Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The first question is, is there any difference between stainless slides and black slides on the XD, or is it just looks and preference?

    Thanks for the answers guys!
  • Mk 19Mk 19 Member Posts: 8,170
    edited November -1
    The .40 S&W is more powerful, but do you need the extra power? Use good bullets and proper shot placement and you will not have a problem, that goes for any self defense cartridge. The XD is a fine handgun, but it doesn't fit my hand. If you have never shot one or handled one you need to before making a purchase. Buying a handgun is like buying a pair of shoes, just because one pair fits me well does not mean that they will work well for you. In a world were fit is everything, the gun that fits you he best is the best fit for you.
  • DieHard4DieHard4 Member Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got a Glock 26 this year to use. It was either that or the Springfield XD. It was close between the two, and I might even get the Springfield in the future, but the Glock works perfectly for now. Can use larger mags, I use the 15 rounders in it because I have a hard time shooting with the 10 rounders it comes with, but I also picked up some 17 and 33 rounders for the range, part of the reason I chose the Glock. 9mm ammo is cheaper and there are a lot more types to choose from, that is why I chose 9mm. Also got the night sights for the Glock and will eventually get the internal laser for it. Not trying to persuade you to get the Glock, the trigger took a bit of getting used to, since I was used to my Beretta 92, but it is possible. The size of the gun fit my need perfectly though. The Glock 27 is the exact same and shoots .40 should you consider that one. Nothing wrong with 9mm though, it can be just as dangerous or more so than the .40, just depends on the ammo and where you hit, though the 9mm will always allow for more rounds in the same size magazine.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    go with the .40 S&W. I'd opt for the stainless...I like the blackened stainless, but I don't think that's an option with the XD's, unless you go with the .357 SIG...which is a fine caliber as well. I'm not 100% sure the XD .357 SIG is blackened stainless, but it seems as if most of them are b/c of pressure issues.
  • DieHard4DieHard4 Member Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Stainless tends to cost more for most guns I have looked at, but depends on what looks good to you and what you want to use the gun for.
  • CyclonusCyclonus Member Posts: 2,825
    edited November -1
    I carry a Smith&Wesson MP40 that I bought off the gun dealer in bradford. Works for me.
  • TavisTavis Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know I need to handle one first, but my understanding is that the 4' Service model is pretty darn close to being glock sized, and I've handled and shot my brothers glock, which is 40SW. I'm not too concerned with the bigger magazines either, because I'm going to have two as backup, with a third in the gun. Also, if I'm ever in that situation where I'm shooting more than the 36 or so rounds (3 clips@12 rounds each,) then I'm probably outgunned anyways.
  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    I don't personally like stainless.
    However...in the heat of the summer...a blued gun carried close to the body will rust before you get it off tonight..if carried while doing work that will cause you to sweat.

    The only reason to carry a 9mm is because you cannot handle the recoil of a .40...or .45.
  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    Given, shot placement makes all the difference, but I'd go with the 40, just a bit more stopping power.
    The G27 is a great ccw, especially if you are going to carry spare mags. You can carry G22 15 round mags and they function perfectly in any 40cal Glock model.
  • br549br549 Member Posts: 1,024
    edited November -1
    i don't own a 9 mm at this time. but anyone who say's they won't kill you don't know what they're talking about. i have an older Colt Cobra 38 special, made before the +P's came out,and will not haddle them, a beretta 40 S&W and a 1911,and XD 45 All will do plenty of damage to a person,or varmit & such.
  • wlfmn323wlfmn323 Member Posts: 4,712
    edited November -1
    i am firmly attached to my xd, you wont go wrong there. stainless will likely hide scratches and wear from holster better then the black. as far as caliber goes, my father always told me "son, you hit a man with a .45 hes going down no matter where ya hit em. its like a baseball bat." so i went with the .45 acp. one thing to consider that in a sh hits the fan scenerio, a well placed shot is mosttimes not conceivable. i still remember, years ago there was a video that they kept showing on the news. it was taken from a cruiser cam. trained officer, and would be gunman unload their pistols at each other across the back of the would be gunmans car, the distance of a trunk between them and neither one was hit.
    cant remember their names but it was a couple of brothers and they kept showing it over and over, it was really something.
  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007
    edited November -1
    .40 S&W Browning High Power.

    Doug
  • CutiegirlracingCutiegirlracing Member Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I watch TV and I read the news. You see or read all the time about cops, soldiers, etc., in gun fights and I can't recall one time. Any of these pro's having a one shot stop in a gun fight (snipers excluded)(not saying it never happens). In other words it took them more than one shot. Some of those shots landing in the leg, arm, hands, etc. These are guys/gals training for this kind of stuff and they are having a hard time making accurate shots. Most of them are using the bigger calibers and still having trouble ending a gun fight fast.
    So what makes someone think they would be any better than the pros at shot placement? And why would a person be so sure of this as to carry a smaller caliber?
    If you really had to use a gun, wouldn't you want every advantage you can get? Don't you want something that going to be more forgiving if you miss a vital organ? Do you really think your going to be able to reload if someone is shooting back at you? Don't you want a caliber that's going to make it less likely that your attacker will still even be around, so you wouldn't have to reload?
    I carry a 45 in my purse and have a 12 gauge in my house because if someone is trying to kill me. I want something that's going to be more likely to stop him if I hit him anywhere. Than a smaller caliber that depends on my ability to make a head shot to save my life.
    Just my two cents on this
  • hiagressionhiagression Member Posts: 16 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I carry a KAHR 40. People say shot placement, but in the heat of a gunfight who is going to take the time to aim. It will happen very fast, and the only thing on your mind will be to survive. Plus my uncle is a nark, and he says he once shot a guy on crystal with a 9mm in the chest and he kept comming after him after 4 shots!!!!
  • SuburbanNoizeSuburbanNoize Member Posts: 10,142
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hiagression
    I carry a KAHR 40. People say shot placement, but in the heat of a gunfight who is going to take the time to aim. It will happen very fast, and the only thing on your mind will be to survive. Plus my uncle is a nark, and he says he once shot a guy on crystal with a 9mm in the chest and he kept comming after him after 4 shots!!!!


    Every bullet you shoot in a gunfight has a lawyer attached to it, you better aim.
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...Welcome.

    ...Shot placement is essential but, under extreme stress hitting excatly where you want is not easy. Unless your the Iceman, you are going to be highly stressed in a shoot to kill situation. Try running a 100yds.(fast) then stop, pull your gun; then see how good you are at hitting the rings at 8 or so yards, you may be surprised at how bad you bite. Most people never practice under stress, big mistake.


    ....Me, I like a big hole, bigger the better for the most part, a .45 works for me(10mm is a favorite too), breaks more bones, more of the gooey stuff will run out quicker from a bigger hole...[;)]

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  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    But first, you have to have the gun with you. The best gun is the one you you have with you. Give a LOT of thought about how you carry, and don't pick such a big gun that you hate to carry it.

    Then, try to pack as much punch in your gun as you can control and are comfortable with. I am a big, rotund man, so I have no way to hide the gun on my person. My acquaintances note however, that I am very religious, as I always have a large Bible case/daytimer with me...slow to draw, but carries and conceals a lot. I carry a full-size Sig P220.
  • CHEVELLE427CHEVELLE427 Member Posts: 6,750
    edited November -1
    the round to use is the one you shoot the best with [;)].dont want something your going to miss with (when)[:(] the time comes. i like the xd45acp.and my sw1006 10mm [:p]
  • linthicumlinthicum Member Posts: 825 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    .40 S&W Browning High Power.

    Doug
    +1 on the HP. If you are going to CC look in your area for a training course that you can get into. Then if you have the time compete in some of the matches, or join a team. I've read that people who train on a regular basis on instinct resort to there training in the event of a shoot out. Most say they do not remember all the details of the event, but just remember seeing there front sight. And the good thing is they are alive to tell there story.
  • BT3BT3 Member Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mini glock in 9MM works for me. Easy to conceal, ammo plentyful and reasonably cheap and will do what it is intended to do. FBI says most gunfights take place between 6 and 9 feet. Not sure about the cost VS the Springfield. IMHO [:D]
  • lindalecowboylindalecowboy Member Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The neat thing about this forum is you get great advice from many folks with so much experience, you gain a substantial amount of knowledge fast. I only add a couple quick notes, the comments about what best FITS you is in my humble opinion the most critical. Second, if you can handle a .45 ACP, why not, like you've heard numerous times here, under stress, shot placement is way oversold and under-delivered, third here's my personal preference, have a compact XD for size but comes with a mag that has an extension which makes it fit my hand perfectly. The shorter mag is easier for concealment in light clothing but when wearing a coat/jacket the hi-cap mag with extension "feels" better. If you have a gun/store/range near by, go by and shoot the various calibers and see which one suits you best. I have a local shooting range that lets you shoot any of his rentals and they have a variety of calibers to choose from, then you can decide 9 vrs 40 vrs 45, etc.
  • goldeneagle76goldeneagle76 Member Posts: 4,359
    edited November -1
    I carry an XD 45 copact everyday all day. Barely know it's there most the time. I'm 5'9 195lbs. I would definitely say that if you can handle the 45...get it. I've always preferred the black as opposed to stanless for carry, less noticable if it comes out fro myour shirt for some reason by mistake.
  • sig232sig232 Member Posts: 8,018
    edited November -1
    I like the XD in 45 and would also choose the larger cal. For concealed carry the Black slide remains more difficult to see in the event it is exposed for a short time.

    Its a highly rated firearm and if it fits your hand well maybe a good choice for you.

    Me, I will take a 1911 or Sig over most of the Glocks, M&Ps, and XDs any day.
  • TavisTavis Member Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for all the input guys! I went to the local gunshop today, and checked out the XDs they have. I really like everything about them, and they fit my hand good. Once I get the money (I'm a poor college kid atm,) I'm going to get one. 40SW its going to be, you guys convinced me that bigger is better, but I can't handle a 45, I'm too small a guy. Also, probably going to get the stainless, as one of you (sorry, I forget which one) said that'd it'd hide scuffs better, and less likely to rust/the stainless can't wear off. Thanks again guys!
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