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"I Do Not Consent!"
nunn
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How's that Sovereign Citizenship working out for you, Bucky?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8d_1413049025
What a *.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8d_1413049025
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What a *.
Wear gloves if you plan to break glass in that manner. Just saying....
I would think resisting and ignoring a order will get you tazed
I am sure Al and Jessy will get him out of any charges.
How's that Sovereign Citizenship working out for you, Bucky?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8d_1413049025
What a *.
Actually, by sovereign citizen standards he's a genius.
Inquiring minds want to know.
You have a 30 minute speech and a notebook to support your driving without a license claim, but you paid for your tags....
How's that Sovereign Citizenship working out for you, Bucky?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b8d_1413049025
What a *.
From what I hear, its electrifying.
Some turn dangerous, shoot at cops, ambush murders.
With the bull that driver was talking I was surprised the officer looked away a few times. I wouldn't blame any officer that responds to such a spiel by keeping one hand on his gun and eyes on the "citizen's" hands the entire time.
Or at least until plenty of backup arrives.
Thanks, David.
Mule
He may have had a point if this was a DUI emphasis stop, but when legitimately stopped for 72 in a 55, he, by virtue of signing for the license, consented to be bound to the conditions of that contract.
The idea of the sovereignty of the individual is obviously limited by legal contractual agreements, and like any other concept is cheapened by the idiots who take it to unreasonable extremes.
Brad Steele
Hypocrites to the nth degree.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I would have a lot MORE sympathy for himif he was doing 57 in a 55 and did not act like a jerk to the officer.
On the other hand, the fiction he is willing to live under is no more ridiculous than the fiction the rest of us live under. The majority of us are content to ignore the truth of living in the US where there are clearly 2 sets of laws in place. One for the elite and one for the rest of us. Carry too much cash on you and lose it to the police because you are suspected of drug dealing. Launder billions of dollars in drug cartel money and nobody goes to jail (Wachovia). Steal from one person and go to prison, steal from thousands (MF Global)(Corsine) and nothing happens.
What this guy is attempting to sell is no worse than any of the others. If you described the system we now have to our founding fathers I guarantee it would sound just as foolish.
I find it incredulous some people are actually that freaking stupid. Sounds like the tazer got his undivided attention. [^]
I would have a lot MORE sympathy for himif he was doing 57 in a 55 and did not act like a jerk to the officer.
It is not so much stupid as it is that he is a conman and it has probably worked in the past. Some officers are not prepared to deal with a sovereign, this Lt has obviously received Sovereign Citizen training as he responded with near perfection. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some officers have just told him to slow down and walked back to their car because they didn't want to deal with a sovereign.
Sovereigns only wish to engage you in an argument. We don't discuss things on the side of the road. You get three maybe four chances to produce your OL and registration, after that you will be coming out of the car and taken into custody. That is how you deal wit sovereigns.
I knew one guy who used to talk about Moorish law and was always trying to mail things for 3 cents. He had a problem picking his battles.
On the other hand, the fiction he is willing to live under is no more ridiculous than the fiction the rest of us live under. The majority of us are content to ignore the truth of living in the US where there are clearly 2 sets of laws in place. One for the elite and one for the rest of us. Carry too much cash on you and lose it to the police because you are suspected of drug dealing. Launder billions of dollars in drug cartel money and nobody goes to jail (Wachovia). Steal from one person and go to prison, steal from thousands (MF Global)(Corsine) and nothing happens.
What this guy is attempting to sell is no worse than any of the others. If you described the system we now have to our founding fathers I guarantee it would sound just as foolish.
I don't think you understand what or who the sovereign citizens are.
You compare our legal system to the sovereign citizen's legal system. That's comparing roses to ping pong balls. It isn't a valid comparison because the sovereign citizens don't have a legal system. What they have is a conglomeration of gobbledygook that is based in a fantasy or insanity.
You say "The majority of us are content to ignore the truth of living in the US where there are clearly 2 sets of laws in place". That isn't a true statement. We have one and only one set of laws. It is a corrupt system where the elite can avoid justice, but still one set of laws.
When a sovereign citizen enters a courtroom he looks at the United States Flag to see if it has a yellow fringe. If it has a yellow fringe (most do) he thinks he isn't subject to anything the judge says. His days in prison are still twenty-four hours each.
The sovereign citizen system depends on scamming, robbing, and other forms of crime to survive. When they win everybody over to their system it will fall under its own weight. You can't survive cannibalizing yourself.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
I knew one guy who used to talk about Moorish law and was always trying to mail things for 3 cents. He had a problem picking his battles.
On the other hand, the fiction he is willing to live under is no more ridiculous than the fiction the rest of us live under. The majority of us are content to ignore the truth of living in the US where there are clearly 2 sets of laws in place. One for the elite and one for the rest of us. Carry too much cash on you and lose it to the police because you are suspected of drug dealing. Launder billions of dollars in drug cartel money and nobody goes to jail (Wachovia). Steal from one person and go to prison, steal from thousands (MF Global)(Corsine) and nothing happens.
What this guy is attempting to sell is no worse than any of the others. If you described the system we now have to our founding fathers I guarantee it would sound just as foolish.
I don't think you understand what or who the sovereign citizens are.
You compare our legal system to the sovereign citizen's legal system. That's comparing roses to ping pong balls. It isn't a valid comparison because the sovereign citizens don't have a legal system. What they have is a conglomeration of gobbledygook that is based in a fantasy or insanity.
I'm not carrying water for the sovereign movement. When you talk about the insanity inherent in his position, I would point out the equally insane behavior tolerated in the present system. A govt which encourages illegal immigration, the top law enforcement official in the country running guns to drug cartels, and an unrestrained program of official counterfeiting, these are just a couple off the top of my head and I'm certain you could add to the list.
You say "The majority of us are content to ignore the truth of living in the US where there are clearly 2 sets of laws in place". That isn't a true statement. We have one and only one set of laws. It is a corrupt system where the elite can avoid justice, but still one set of laws. It is a true statement James. It is hair-splitting to call it one corrupt system. The end result is the same. What I am saying is that fiction is fiction.
When a sovereign citizen enters a courtroom he looks at the United States Flag to see if it has a yellow fringe. If it has a yellow fringe (most do) he thinks he isn't subject to anything the judge says. His days in prison are still twenty-four hours each. That is only because his is the less popular fiction.
The sovereign citizen system depends on scamming, robbing, and other forms of crime to survive. When they win everybody over to their system it will fall under its own weight. You can't survive cannibalizing yourself. Take a look at the cannibalizing going on right now on our middle class. Look at the civil forfeitures being perpetrated by the corrupt enforcement arm of the present system. Coupled with the raft of mandates we now have to operate under, if that isn't chewing on our own entrails I don't know what is. Everything you say in red above about the sovereign citizen system could be applied to what we are suffering under right now.
sovereign citizens are the anarchist's anarchists. The main difference between your average deadbeat conman lowlife thief and the sovereign citizen is the sovereign citizen tries to bury you in homemade paperwork and make nonsense gobbledygook arguments.
I think you know that. If you don't just wait until you meet a few more of them and one of them wants something you own. [;)]
skicat, I don't believe you think sovereign citizens are as logical and based in reality as much as your posts make it appear.
sovereign citizens are the anarchist's anarchists. The main difference between your average deadbeat conman lowlife thief and the sovereign citizen is the sovereign citizen tries to bury you in homemade paperwork and make nonsense gobbledygook arguments.
I think you know that. If you don't just wait until you meet a few more of them and one of them wants something you own. [;)]
You are right James. All I am trying to point out is how silly it is to get all wound up on the insanity of sovereign citizens and then pretend that our system is any less insane. To my way of thinking , what we have now is a bizarro world where everything is skewing towards 180 out.
As I listed above.
The attorney general running guns to cartels
Those tasked with safeguarding our currency doing their best to devalue it.
Homeland security forces focusing on citizens and returning vets as threats rather than foreigners.
A govt actively fostering illegal immigration.
It just isn't a great position from which to tout our own moral superiority
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
skicat, I don't believe you think sovereign citizens are as logical and based in reality as much as your posts make it appear.
sovereign citizens are the anarchist's anarchists. The main difference between your average deadbeat conman lowlife thief and the sovereign citizen is the sovereign citizen tries to bury you in homemade paperwork and make nonsense gobbledygook arguments.
I think you know that. If you don't just wait until you meet a few more of them and one of them wants something you own. [;)]
You are right James. All I am trying to point out is how silly it is to get all wound up on the insanity of sovereign citizens and then pretend that our system is any less insane. To my way of thinking , what we have now is a bizarro world where everything is skewing towards 180 out.
As I listed above.
The attorney general running guns to cartels
Those tasked with safeguarding our currency doing their best to devalue it.
Homeland security forces focusing on citizens and returning vets as threats rather than foreigners.
A govt actively fostering illegal immigration.
It just isn't a great position from which to tout our own moral superiority
+1000
quote:Originally posted by skicat
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
skicat, I don't believe you think sovereign citizens are as logical and based in reality as much as your posts make it appear.
sovereign citizens are the anarchist's anarchists. The main difference between your average deadbeat conman lowlife thief and the sovereign citizen is the sovereign citizen tries to bury you in homemade paperwork and make nonsense gobbledygook arguments.
I think you know that. If you don't just wait until you meet a few more of them and one of them wants something you own. [;)]
You are right James. All I am trying to point out is how silly it is to get all wound up on the insanity of sovereign citizens and then pretend that our system is any less insane. To my way of thinking , what we have now is a bizarro world where everything is skewing towards 180 out.
As I listed above.
The attorney general running guns to cartels
Those tasked with safeguarding our currency doing their best to devalue it.
Homeland security forces focusing on citizens and returning vets as threats rather than foreigners.
A govt actively fostering illegal immigration.
It just isn't a great position from which to tout our own moral superiority
+1000
+1000 more
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The examples you give to demonstrate the corruption of our system only demonstrates the corruption of the people at the top of the food chain. The Tsars are corrupt to the bone and their minions either share their corruption or lack the balls to do anything about it. The system is fixable without change by removing the corrupt Tsars.
I don't know if there are enough honest people left to do that, but in any case corrupt people don't mean a flawed system.
sovereign citizens (anarchists) on the other hand don't really have a system, but if we want to call it that, the system itself is corrupt.
The real problem should be considered cultural and is best described as a general disdain and/or lack of trust for police in general.
Contemptuous attitude towards police encouraged by people holding the highest political positions of power and sustained by sycophants in main stream media and their "progressive" pop culture.