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I always tip good, over 20% if not more. Stop for a cup of coffee at the local diner, $1.76 I leave $4 or $5. BUT, stopped in a bar one night,I was the only person in there. Young girl bartender had music playing and I commented how much I liked what was playing and asked what station it was on. Before the song I liked ended, she walked over and turned the radio to some teenybopper station and walked off. I took a dollar bill, tore it in two and left one half for a tip.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well then people need to get their states to change the labor laws to require restaurants to pay minimum wage.It is what it is - and has been for MANY years.
Keep in mind that the restaurant business is highly competitive and profit margins aren't great. What you're suggesting means table service establishments would be forced to raise all prices ~20%, which would lead to people being less apt to dine out. That would result in fewer restaurants due to a diminished market, with the end result being fewer dining out options for all of us.
From a customer's standpoint you're better off simply paying that server a fair amount for services rendered.
This traditional system of ours works well, people just need to have a basic grasp of how it works and be aware they play an integral part.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
Some folks just don't quite grasp that in this country the customer is the one who's tasked with paying their server's salary.
In most cases the establishment provides them only the minimum amount required by law, which is generally not much more than enough for gas to get them there each day.
That 15% you leave on the table isn't a reward for them going above and beyond for you. It's their basic salary for performing a satisfactory, basic level job and logically should be factored in as part of the cost of your meal.
'If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out'
I grasp what you are saying but just disagree. It's NOT my responsibility to pay their salary, and I'll tip / not tip as I please. No one forces servers to be servers. Attention servers - not making enough? get some job skills that will land you a better job, or be very good at this one.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Ok, so I pay a tip of 20% or menu prices go up 20%. Is that what you're saying?
You determine the amount of tip the server earned, with 15%-20% being a baseline.
Otherwise, besides having fewer restaurants to choose from you'd be paying a guaranteed 20% more for your food/drinks plus any further incentive money for the server.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
Some folks just don't quite grasp that in this country the customer is the one who's tasked with paying their server's salary.
In most cases the establishment provides them only the minimum amount required by law, which is generally not much more than enough for gas to get them there each day.
That 15% you leave on the table isn't a reward for them going above and beyond for you. It's their basic salary for performing a satisfactory, basic level job and logically should be factored in as part of the cost of your meal.
'If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out'
Ehh, if you cant afford to tip dont eat out. That has nothing to do with it. Standard is 12-20% with some going above and some below. Some people work hard in those places and deserve it, some dont thats reality. In the end go to college get a better job if you dont like it. Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.No one's going to get rich from you leaving a fair tip on that $10 lunch you had. Using your calculations they walked away with a whole $1.20 for a half hour of making sure everything went as good as possible for you. [:D]
How much servers take home at the end of the day varies. It's a matter of their level of service, menu prices, customer volume and how many they get who are comfortable with having someone work for them without fair compensation.
In short, tipping depends upon the integrity of the customer. You may not have to, but you're being dishonest if you don't.
Just who set that $#@(*& "standard"? When I was MUCH younger the "standard" was 10%. Then people started saying it should be more because of inflation. The increase in prices of meals & other things MORE THAN COMPENSATE for inflation. I feel that tipping someone is offensive & degrading.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by nards444
Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.No one's going to get rich from you leaving a fair tip on that $10 lunch you had. Using your calculations they walked away with a whole $1.20 for a half hour of making sure everything went as good as possible for you. [:D]
How much servers take home at the end of the day varies. It's a matter of their level of service, menu prices, customer volume and how many they get who are comfortable with having someone work for them without fair compensation.
In short, tipping depends upon the integrity of the customer. You may not have to, but you're being dishonest if you don't.
$1.20 is the low side of the standard with $2 being the high side. If its just me and a $10 bfast or a quick sandwhich at lunch $2 is probably more than fair. Typically you should figure tips before tax which many do not they do it after. So really that $10 sandwhich is probably closer to $8.50 for which that $2 is actually much closer to a 24% tip.
Look I hate tipping, but I am fair and people deserve their tip no doubt about it. Again 12-20% is more than fair. You also got people that say people at McDonalds or wallys shouldnt complain about what they make, I see this as no different.
Also a little math. In NY tipped employees minumum wage is $5.65, federal is $2.13 average across states is around $4 an hour. But lets use NY. Say a server has 4 tables which is standard. Assuming low end of $1.20 per table, lunch time 2 single customer per table for an hour. Works out to $15 an hour, seems fair to me. Say they have one customer per table for each hour and average $5 tip per table they make $25 an hour. Again pretty fair. Even if you use the $2.13 per hour and low tipping their still making almost $12 an hour
I usually tip in the 15-20% range. I have one restaurant in particular that I go to. I have a favorite waitress that I try to get. She takes care of my every whim and I'd like to tip her even more. How ever the problem is she has to share her tips with all the other waitress's and to me that sucks. Most of the other waitress's there can't hold a candle to her. So to circumvent that every year at Christmas time I give her an envelope with a bonus. That way she doesn't have to share it with the others.
No they are taxed on what they CLAIM. But the IRS can estimate their cash tips based off what their credit card tips are. If they feel the need to audit. lots of tax cheats waiting tables. I like how there are so many "experts" on this topic herequote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
The income tax aspects of a waiter/waitress's tips would floor you. They're taxed on a tip whether we award it or not.
quote:Originally posted by jhimco
No they are taxed on what they CLAIM. But the IRS can estimate their cash tips based off what their credit card tips are. If they feel the need to audit. lots of tax cheats waiting tables. I like how there are so many "experts" on this topic herequote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
The income tax aspects of a waiter/waitress's tips would floor you. They're taxed on a tip whether we award it or not.
Clouder..
Ya think, lol. Your never taxed on what your didnt earn, just arent. A lot of good ones in here.
they are taxed based on minimum wage, and now some modern up to date restaurants have software that track tips left on credit cards and are rolled into their pay
Minimum wage minus a "tip credit". That's how a full service place can only pay them like $2 - $6 depending on the State's min.wage. like IL is more than IN. Some of your big chain places don't want the IRS on them, so their employees have to be trained to claim ALL of the income, but we know in the real world that does not happen. Then the income taxes on the tips are withheld from their paycheck. And when employees get caught cheating on their taxes and get audited, then they go after the company. Most people don't realize that when FICA is withheld, the employer has to match that amount. So if the server is not claiming income, they don't pay enough into FICA and neither does the corp. When the gov. wants its money, who do you think they go after first? Imagine if your corp. employees thousands of servers? Your margins are already getting smaller due to rising food costs and costs in general, the ACA, etc.In the restaurant business, after all is paid and done, you are doing good if you clear 5 cents on the dollar. Imagine how much food and drink you have to sell to make money!quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
they are taxed based on minimum wage, and now some modern up to date restaurants have software that track tips left on credit cards and are rolled into their pay
Then stay home or get carry out!quote:Originally posted by gruntled
Just who set that $#@(*& "standard"? When I was MUCH younger the "standard" was 10%. Then people started saying it should be more because of inflation. The increase in prices of meals & other things MORE THAN COMPENSATE for inflation. I feel that tipping someone is offensive & degrading.
Actually that method is better for the gov. The employee is forced to claim that income now because it is documented on the receipt. And the state collects sales tax on the service charge too. Nobody seems to have a problem paying car mechanics inflated wages! Doesn't the shop make enough from selling the parts? If you want to argue the restaurant should pay more to the servers, then guess what, you will pay considerably more for your food and drink. So tipping IMHO is like paying the labor when your car is fixed to make a comparison.quote:Originally posted by Sam06
I don't like to go to places that automatically add a gratuity to your bill. I understand it for a large party but not for a say 2 couples. I either don't go back or if I know ahead of time I don't patronize the place.
That's why some places call it a "service charge" and not a gratuity. Gratuity is a tip and tips are optional. Service charge can force you to pay, and if you don't you can be arrested and charged with theft of services. I have run restaurants near bad neighborhoods. Tips are very low or non existent around there. So that forces companies to automatically add a service charge. And from the sounds of a lot of the cry babies here, you should just stay home! If you can't afford the tip, then you should not go to a full service place. And I forgot to mention that servers sometimes have to share tips with the bartender and busboy depending on company policy.quote:Originally posted by auctionplug
I personally do not like mandatory tipping or Gratuity; especially when it adds so much extra onto your bill. That alone would make me pay the bill for the amount minus the added on gratuity.
Tipping should be a choice of the customer and NOT the restaurant.
I always tip at least 15 percent, if the server is doing their job.
And their job is to bring the silverware, and the water and drinks, and the food on time. Also to be punctual when bringing the check.
If they don't do these things they are not doing their job and thus, they deserve and will get from me, reduced pay. Also their job is to be friendly. If they are mean and grouchy, they are not doing their job.
Like I said, if the service is really bad I will leave a "3 penny screw-you" tip.
If everything is really good I leave 20 percent.
Lately the restaurant I eat at most often is a buffet at a TA Truck Stop in Laredo. It costs $8.95 and I leave a one dollar tip. That is pretty good, an 11 or 12 percent tip when the waiter doesn't have to take the order or deliver the food.
Yet, even at the TA Laredo I had to leave the 'ol 3 penny tip once. I asked the waitress for water, and ten minutes later she was still flirting with a table full of truck drivers and had not brought me my water. I left 3 pennies for the tip.
Boy did that gal get angry with me. That happened a year and a half ago and I was in there just Saturday and she was still giving me the evil eye.
Notice, this is a buffet. She has no way to mess with my food. If this was a regular restaurant where that waitress had a chance to "fix up" my food back in the kitchen, no way I would go back there, she looks like just the kind of gal who would put some special additives in your food.
If I go out to a restaurant that has one seating, I tip 20-25%...If the tables are turned more than three times,and they serve lunch as well as dinner...15%...more if the service is better than normal...Water on table,clean dishes,etc..
Some of you guys have a lot more money to spend than I do. A 50%or 100% tip is great if you are a high roller with an unlimited budget. 15% is my standard for a sit down restaurant. A few bucks more if the service was outstanding. A few bucks less if service was crap. Small town bar where I have lunch regularly is a little different. Lunch can run from $4 to $7. My standard tip is $2. If I stop late in the day for a $3 glass of wine on the way home it is $1 per glass. Give the cook and 2 or 3 of my favorite waitresses $20 at Christmas. Always get good service and works for me. Can't afford a 50% tip on a $40 to $60 meal.
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Well then people need to get their states to change the labor laws to require restaurants to pay minimum wage.It is what it is - and has been for MANY years.
Keep in mind that the restaurant business is highly competitive and profit margins aren't great. What you're suggesting means table service establishments would be forced to raise all prices ~20%, which would lead to people being less apt to dine out. That would result in fewer restaurants due to a diminished market, with the end result being fewer dining out options for all of us.
From a customer's standpoint you're better off simply paying that server a fair amount for services rendered.
This traditional system of ours works well, people just need to have a basic grasp of how it works and be aware they play an integral part.
Some folks just don't quite grasp that in this country the customer is the one who's tasked with paying their server's salary.
In most cases the establishment provides them only the minimum amount required by law, which is generally not much more than enough for gas to get them there each day.
That 15% you leave on the table isn't a reward for them going above and beyond for you. It's their basic salary for performing a satisfactory, basic level job and logically should be factored in as part of the cost of your meal.
'If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out'
I grasp what you are saying but just disagree. It's NOT my responsibility to pay their salary, and I'll tip / not tip as I please. No one forces servers to be servers. Attention servers - not making enough? get some job skills that will land you a better job, or be very good at this one.
JMO, and YMMV [:)]
Ok, so I pay a tip of 20% or menu prices go up 20%. Is that what you're saying?
You determine the amount of tip the server earned, with 15%-20% being a baseline.
Otherwise, besides having fewer restaurants to choose from you'd be paying a guaranteed 20% more for your food/drinks plus any further incentive money for the server.
Some folks just don't quite grasp that in this country the customer is the one who's tasked with paying their server's salary.
In most cases the establishment provides them only the minimum amount required by law, which is generally not much more than enough for gas to get them there each day.
That 15% you leave on the table isn't a reward for them going above and beyond for you. It's their basic salary for performing a satisfactory, basic level job and logically should be factored in as part of the cost of your meal.
'If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out'
Ehh, if you cant afford to tip dont eat out. That has nothing to do with it. Standard is 12-20% with some going above and some below. Some people work hard in those places and deserve it, some dont thats reality. In the end go to college get a better job if you dont like it. Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.
Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.No one's going to get rich from you leaving a fair tip on that $10 lunch you had. Using your calculations they walked away with a whole $1.20 for a half hour of making sure everything went as good as possible for you. [:D]
How much servers take home at the end of the day varies. It's a matter of their level of service, menu prices, customer volume and how many they get who are comfortable with having someone work for them without fair compensation.
In short, tipping depends upon the integrity of the customer. You may not have to, but you're being dishonest if you don't.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
Somebody that does more than hand me a plate of food and poor a few drinks isnt deserving of riches.No one's going to get rich from you leaving a fair tip on that $10 lunch you had. Using your calculations they walked away with a whole $1.20 for a half hour of making sure everything went as good as possible for you. [:D]
How much servers take home at the end of the day varies. It's a matter of their level of service, menu prices, customer volume and how many they get who are comfortable with having someone work for them without fair compensation.
In short, tipping depends upon the integrity of the customer. You may not have to, but you're being dishonest if you don't.
$1.20 is the low side of the standard with $2 being the high side. If its just me and a $10 bfast or a quick sandwhich at lunch $2 is probably more than fair. Typically you should figure tips before tax which many do not they do it after. So really that $10 sandwhich is probably closer to $8.50 for which that $2 is actually much closer to a 24% tip.
Look I hate tipping, but I am fair and people deserve their tip no doubt about it. Again 12-20% is more than fair. You also got people that say people at McDonalds or wallys shouldnt complain about what they make, I see this as no different.
Also a little math. In NY tipped employees minumum wage is $5.65, federal is $2.13 average across states is around $4 an hour. But lets use NY. Say a server has 4 tables which is standard. Assuming low end of $1.20 per table, lunch time 2 single customer per table for an hour. Works out to $15 an hour, seems fair to me. Say they have one customer per table for each hour and average $5 tip per table they make $25 an hour. Again pretty fair. Even if you use the $2.13 per hour and low tipping their still making almost $12 an hour
If I go out for drinks I tip a dollar for each drink.
If I can't afford the tip, I don't go out.
The income tax aspects of a waiter/waitress's tips would floor you. They're taxed on a tip whether we award it or not.
Clouder..
No they are taxed on what they CLAIM. But the IRS can estimate their cash tips based off what their credit card tips are. If they feel the need to audit. lots of tax cheats waiting tables. I like how there are so many "experts" on this topic herequote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
The income tax aspects of a waiter/waitress's tips would floor you. They're taxed on a tip whether we award it or not.
Clouder..
Ya think, lol. Your never taxed on what your didnt earn, just arent. A lot of good ones in here.
they are taxed based on minimum wage, and now some modern up to date restaurants have software that track tips left on credit cards and are rolled into their pay
. lots of tax cheats
No such thing.
Just who set that $#@(*& "standard"? When I was MUCH younger the "standard" was 10%. Then people started saying it should be more because of inflation. The increase in prices of meals & other things MORE THAN COMPENSATE for inflation. I feel that tipping someone is offensive & degrading.
I don't like to go to places that automatically add a gratuity to your bill. I understand it for a large party but not for a say 2 couples. I either don't go back or if I know ahead of time I don't patronize the place.
I personally do not like mandatory tipping or Gratuity; especially when it adds so much extra onto your bill. That alone would make me pay the bill for the amount minus the added on gratuity.
Tipping should be a choice of the customer and NOT the restaurant.
And their job is to bring the silverware, and the water and drinks, and the food on time. Also to be punctual when bringing the check.
If they don't do these things they are not doing their job and thus, they deserve and will get from me, reduced pay. Also their job is to be friendly. If they are mean and grouchy, they are not doing their job.
Like I said, if the service is really bad I will leave a "3 penny screw-you" tip.
If everything is really good I leave 20 percent.
Lately the restaurant I eat at most often is a buffet at a TA Truck Stop in Laredo. It costs $8.95 and I leave a one dollar tip. That is pretty good, an 11 or 12 percent tip when the waiter doesn't have to take the order or deliver the food.
Yet, even at the TA Laredo I had to leave the 'ol 3 penny tip once. I asked the waitress for water, and ten minutes later she was still flirting with a table full of truck drivers and had not brought me my water. I left 3 pennies for the tip.
Boy did that gal get angry with me. That happened a year and a half ago and I was in there just Saturday and she was still giving me the evil eye.
Notice, this is a buffet. She has no way to mess with my food. If this was a regular restaurant where that waitress had a chance to "fix up" my food back in the kitchen, no way I would go back there, she looks like just the kind of gal who would put some special additives in your food.