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FFL Question

WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
Resently i purchased a gun off GB and needed ffl transfer so i started asking prices at local shops one said they charged $45 which covered them having it shipped in plus tranfer then said they have to charge tax on original purchase price? Gun was bought out of state no tax. Went to another shop $20 no tax. Question is this legal or not charging tax again? I think not? Should this guy be reported and if so to whom. State is PA. if it makes a diff.?

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  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the different types of FFLs, what is involved in getting them, price, background, etc, and what type of FFL is required to own full auto and buy and sell firearms. If I had a FFL, I could buy direct and not need a middleman. This is what I interested in. What are tax stamps for guns that I have heard about?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a FFL licence copy sent to the seller via e-mail attachment legal?? I was always under the impression that the copy was to be signed fresh in ink and mailed to the seller. What say you ?? Thanks. [:D]
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This has probably been covered before.

    1. If I wanted to obtain a FFL for my own use (buying/selling my personal guns), would this be Type 01 license?

    2. Can the FFL be registered at my own personal residence (no retail store)? I've been told this is done all the time.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was asked a question today and had/have no answer....I just don't know [:)] Note, I'm not a FFL. QUESTION: if your out of your home State (example: Georgia) and pawn your pistol in another state ( example: Arizona) can you as a out of State resident redeem it later and walk out with your pistol in your possession ?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A Marine stationed in VA wants to buy an AR from me, but he is a Florida resident...doesn't that require an FFL? can't do FTF
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you were doing a transfer for somebody, and the gun arrived to you in a box, unloaded, but had magazines in the same box (not in the gun mind you) that were full of ammunition would this be against federal regulations?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My buyer gave me his FFL's address and license number, but the licensee refuses to send a copy of his license. He claims ATF advised him not to give the license to individuals due to fraud concerns.
    I checked him on EZ Check and everything is correct. Is this good enough for an individual? Or just asking for trouble?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since FFL holders are able to ship pistols thru the USPS and private guys aren't my question is this. Does the FFL holder need to log the pistol in and do a background check just to let the gun go thru his hands? I do realize that it needs to go thru an FFL on the other end.

    Todd
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was told that prices go up this time of year (normally not with the frenzy), is that true? Went to fill out paperwork and thats what my dealer told me
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    more or less what is average gross profit margin for someone selling firearms? thanks
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I received a photocopy of the buyers FFL today for a rifle I sold on the auction. Its not signed in ink, its a photocopy. Can I accept this by law?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Say I wanted a part of a gun that required it to be shipped to an FFL. Would I have to be a resident of the state in order for the gun place to receive the part for me? I'm a resident of Maine but am currently in New York for college.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking about getting my FFL to do some buying and selling and I have a question(s). If in the course of buying and selling firearms how much of the paperwork can/could my wife legally do?

    She is a school teacher and has summers off not to mention she is home before 3 most days. So if I hold the license how much of the buying and selling can she do?

    Also, can she do much of the paperwork for consignment sells, shipping... etc?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Someone from another forum I am on is interested in an FFL. He wants one for personal use and maybe a few family transfers per year. He wants to collect a few class 3 weapons. Here is a quote from him, can you answer his questions please. Thank you. [:)]

    "I was primarily wanting to get one to get a couple of class 3 weapons but would like to be able to handle a few transfers a year for fam and friends. A person I was talking to at work was trying to say that there were different types of permits and if I was a dealer I could'nt get the class 3 but as a collector you could get class 3 and still handle a limited number of transfers a year. Do you know if this is true?"
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does each person working at a gun store, selling firearms, have to have an FFL? Example: do all of the employees authorized to work the gun counter at Big 5 have to have an FFL?

    On that same note, does each location have to have a separate FFL? Or is there just one corporate FFL?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello All.... I am thinking about opening a small hunting and fishing store and would like to know if it is worth getting a FFL.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm sure this has been asked around before, but here we go again.....
    Can I (non FFL holder) ship a a non C&R handgun direct to a FFL holder, or do I need to ship FFL to FFL? Thanks.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a question concerning a manufacturing FFL. I have seen information that seems to be a little contradictory, to me anyways. Here's my question. Would you need an ffl to manufacture blanks for the purpose of selling them? Or does it fall under a different category since there is no projectile. Here's something that I have dug up..

    Ammunition includes cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm other than an antique firearm. Items NOT covered include blank ammunition, tear gas ammunition, pellets and nonmetallic shotgun hulls without primers. Generally, no records are required for ammunition transactions. However, information about the disposition of armor piercing ammunition is required to be entered into a record by importers, manufacturers, and collectors. A license is not required for dealers in ammunition only. [18 U. S. C. 921( a)( 17) and 922( b)( 5), 27 CFR 178.11]

    You would require a manufacturer of ammunition license, FFL type 06 to manufacture bullets for sale.

    So does that mean no?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am getting ready to apply for an FFL. I see it says you can not be a respondent to a restraining order. What about one ten years ago. It was rescinded with no charges or trial. No other run ins other then the occasional traffic ticket.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just sold a long gun on the dark side and the buyer is asking me to send the gun to the mailing address on the FFL rather than the premise address. IIRC it has to go to the premise address, am I mistaken? They are different, but in the same town and the FFL checks out. Thanks.

    Todd
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since I'm looking to get into gunsmithing, I was wondering if you guys could help me out.

    I know it requires a FFL, and it's almost impossible to run a gun-shop out of your home. Can you establish a gunsmith shop in your home, or do you need an official store-front according to every zoning constraint and what-not?

    Are there any requirements different to be a gunsmith than strictly selling? Thanks.

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  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone tell me how long it takes to recieve your ffl after you send it in?
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am an unlicensed person and am selling a long gun interstate. I asked the buyer to have his dealer's FFL sent to me in order to verify it through the ATF's EZ Check. I was told by the FFL, who called me, that an ATF agent said never to send an FFL to an unlicensed person. An ATF agent at the Atlanta office told me I have the right to ask for a copy. WOW, what a mess!

    I need some input please.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I sold an item on GB that required a FFL. Does it have to be signed in ink or can the signature be a copy as well? Thanks
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hypothetical: Lets say you are from florida, you are in Tennessee, you run into a friend that is also from Florida, You get to talking guns and he has a pistol for sale, Can that friend sell you that pistol, without using an FFL dealer?
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your paragraph refers to ammunition sales, not manufacturing.

    Although you may not need an FFL to sell blank ammunition, I believe you would still need a Type 6 FFL as a manufacturer since you would still be assembling cases with explosives and primers.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Title 18. US Code, 921 A 17 defines ammunition. It does not distinguish blank cartridges from ball.

    Ammunition defined:

    (17)
    (A) The term "ammunition" means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

    18.921 A 3 defines firearm.

    (3) The term "firearm" means
    (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
    (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
    (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
    (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.


    I'm not a lawyer, but I think you need a license to manufacture blanks for sale. You can check with the ATF Firearms Tech Branch over in WV.
  • WWII_EnthusiastWWII_Enthusiast Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like I'll be getting back on the phone with the ATF to have them send me over the paperwork.
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