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Brandishing
gregoryhart1
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In the December issue of Shooting Times Personal Defense on page 119 under the title of In Plain Sight by James Tarr it reads under the sub title Brandishing. " It's not just a word. Brandishing is a state of mind. It only takes one instance of walking when the wind blows open an untucked shirt. The fact that you didn't pull your gun out won't save you when a passing mom sees your gun and starts screaming in terror. I know someone this happen to. How did she know he wasn't a cop. The answer is that she didn't. But in the world where many people have only seen guns on TV, the accidental flash of a gun in street clothes can end badly. If your lucky, you'll stay out of jail and pay a few thousand dollars in legal bills. But you might not have a carry permit after everything shakes out."
After reading this I began to wonder about carry permit laws. I thought it was a permit to carry and if you wanted to conceal it, it was up to you. What the author is saying is if you flash your piece, the police have the right to take you permit away. Is that right?
After reading this I began to wonder about carry permit laws. I thought it was a permit to carry and if you wanted to conceal it, it was up to you. What the author is saying is if you flash your piece, the police have the right to take you permit away. Is that right?
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GH1[:)]
That said, there are different situations, that warrant different action. It can be a tricky situation depending on local and state laws. Usually if one has to draw, then he is going to use.
Best
A situation threatened enough to pull a weapon? Someone was either shooting at you, or was under 21 feet from you with an edged weapon and closing the distance? If it is a case where I feel threatened enough to pull out a firearm, you can bet after I get it out that there is going to be a bang following.
That said, there are different situations, that warrant different action. It can be a tricky situation depending on local and state laws. Usually if one has to draw, then he is going to use.
Best
+1 In my case you can expect two bangs, remember to double tap.
And you are asking because.....................
Because I read somewhere that of all the crimes that were prevented by a gun, 92% merely required the gun be drawn to stop the attack. I wanted to know if it was true.
GH1[:)]
Brandished my weapon Pulled my sidearm at a Rottweiler.
"These pretzels are making me thirsty!"
[xx(]
many times you din't even need to draw it.
I posted awhile back about pulling my jacket aside to show my gun, still holstered.
threat was ended, but some folks considered that brandishing, which is frowned upon.
remember, in most states DRAWING a gun in any situation that is not percieved as life threatening IS brandishing and will get you into trouble.
If you draw a gun you should have intent to use it, and be able to defend your actions in court.
cause that's surely where it's gonna end up! (been there, done thant, and that's all i'm gonna say about it.[;)]
tom
If you need to "Double tap" then you need more range time.[:0]
I disagree. I practice triple tapping, and if that makes me a lousy shot so be it
If you need to "Double tap" then you need more range time.[:0]
Double tap is all about being able to to control two fast shots. The theory came about with the 9mm coming into service over the 45. It works, and if you can do it with a 45 too then hot damn...
Him and his eldest son, when heading for their vehicle late one night in a restaurant parking lot, witnessed this:
A man pulled up near the back door of the restaurant, a female employee of that restaurant got in the passenger side. The two had a "high-volume discussion" (with the passenger door still open).
The driver took off through the parking lot spinning tires, swerving, turning sharp left, until she fell out and rolled to a stop. The man slid to a stop, got out and approached her- yelling obscenities.
My friend had told his son to get in their vehicle and call 911. He quickly ran to a point in between the couple and told the man to stop. The man did stop in front of my friend but did not, at this time, seem ready to back off. My friend reached down to his side as he spoke to the man, unzipped the top of his carry pouch (rectangular, black leather) a little and kept his hand on the top of it. The man saw his movement and knew immediately what was in the pouch and what could happen next if he did not comply. His eyes got big and he froze in his tracks. My friend then asked him to lie down on the parking lot, which he did quickly, and stayed there untill the police arrived.
A side note:
When my friend relayed the story to the officer, when he got to the part about the firearm, the officer stopped him, and said "that's okay, we don't need to go into that part". The officer later thanked him for his actions.
We will not know what situation we may be presented with.
I think that we should be prepared in our minds (as much as we possibly can be) to be able to react quickly and rightly to that situation if and when.
my .02
I went into detail about the events a couple of weeks ago.
Not gonna do it again.
Doug
I tried to find those posts.
No luck.
Would you repost here?
Thanks
RT
...Food for thought Deputy Fifes of the world...
...You, your friend, and your friends child are VERY lucky, to put yourselves in the middle of a domestic situation(?)and NOT have something BAD happen, that, is one situation I may have had REAL second thoughts about if my child had been anywhere around; and I'm being polite about it.
..Here's this for your friend, may keep his * out of trouble.
...I guess if your friend was driving down the HWY, saw a truck ahead stop just in front of a girl say, teenager walking. Man about 45 gets out of the truck, walks back and begins argueing with the girl, then; he grabs her arm and begins to pull her to his truck, she is resisting some...your friend stops, and is going to stop this obvious abduction and rape/murder or "whatever".
...Your friend stops and confronts the man with his carry gun, ONLY to have the man push the girl down to the ground (bleener!) and grab for HIS gun, ahh, but your friend has his out and shoots this sorry bleener first.
...Your friend is confused when after the man stumbles and falls to the ground shot and the young lady screams "MURDERER"! Congrats. your friend just shot the young ladys FATHER who has a CHL/CCW, seems she had gotten mad earleir and ran out of the house in a teenage hissy-fit and he was looking for her when he spotted her on the side of the HWY and had stopped to bring her home.
...things are NOT always as they appear, preception, can be a very bad thing when ALL the facts are not known...[;)]
Some clarification:
I just called my friend to check details.
(1) his son was 15 at the time
(2) his son remained in their vehicle the entire time across the parking lot.
(3) The woman was unconscious after hitting, bouncing, rolling approximately 30 feet.
I believe that if my friend had of driven off "minding his own business" that woman would have died vary shortly after.
My friend is also my Pastor.
He asked me to share this:
"Yes I may have put my life in danger. Jesus (our shepherd) will
leave the 99 to save one lost sheep". He feels like he made the right choice.
The scenario you described needs to be also embraisened (sp) in our minds.
That would be a possible and plausible reaction for a well-meaning
passerby.
Please, Please- all who are reading this, think them through.
Other scenarios? (real or hypothetical)
Please post.
...In a lot of cases it is the person being beat etc. that will turn immediately on the cop/individual that attempts to intervine on their behalf.
...BAD ju-ju to get in the middle of...especially for an untrained individual...[;)]
Doug-
I tried to find those posts.
No luck.
Would you repost here?
Thanks
RT
I'll hunt around for the thread - someone else had started it.
I prolly should have saved it.
Oh, well.
If I find it, I'll post it.
Doug
Doug-
I tried to find those posts.
No luck.
Would you repost here?
Thanks
RT
This is it:
"1) Working as Regional Operations Manager for a huge chain of big box office supply stores, I was investigating possible (hah - possible) employee theft. Two guys split with a shopping cart full of computers and peripherals, to a waiting van parked in Handicapped parking.
They split in the van and I lost them in traffic. I went a couple of miles and turned around in a strip center, and there was the van, in a Handicapped zone with two guys hustling a bunch of stuff out of a store.
I pulled my car across the rear of theirs, jumped out, leaned over my roof and pointed my revolver at them, and had them lay on the pavement. I had been on my cell with the 911 people, and within a couple of minutes about 6 or 7 patrol cars showed up - 3 different Municipal PDs, 2 County Sheriffs, and a State Trooper. I laid my gun on my roof and raised my hands while the Policemen did their thing. It turned out that one of the guys was an escaped county prisoner, and one of the other two had felony warrants out - Armed Robbery, and Felony Assault - he was packing. It was funny that the Police seemed mostly upset that the guys had jacked a Handicapped sticker to use for. parking, and nobody was handicapped. They told me that I was pretty stoopid. They were right.
As an aside, while I was talking to the 911 dispatcher, she asked me what kind of firearm I had and I told her a Smith 629 .44 Magnum. She said: " Oh, please, don't shoot anybody with that cannon !!"
I was just a kid during that incident - 54 years old. Spouse (now EX-spouse) told me I was nuts and didn't speak to me for a month. Golden silence.
2) Giant 1% biker type beating on petite lady. Screamed at him, he started to approach me, I drew my itty-bitty Chief's Special. He lost his motivation, the Police arrived and took him into custody, and also pulled the beaten woman off me, who was telling me what an (insert bad word, which was auto-censored) I was for messing with Mikey.
I was 50.
RULE ONE: HAVE A GUN.
Doug"
This is from a thread I started, titled"25v32v32v380v357Mv38Sv9v40v45 The REAL" and it was a pretty good discussion.
If you search the thread topic, you can read the whole thing.
Doug
There were two notable occasions when the Devil came looking for me. One of them was when I was sitting at a stoplight, and some drugged-out freak jumped in through the passenger's door and then offered to turn my glasses into contact lenses. Just like that, and out of the blue (or rather out of the black, because it was at night). When I pulled a Model 10, I found myself immediately alone again.
The other was when I stopped for gas at a Clark 100 about 1:30 one morning, back before the days of self-service. The attendant was squatting behind my car filling my tank, as I stood at the rear corner of my car, making conversation. A car pulled in right on the other side of the pumps, the passenger got out with a pistol and demanded money, and the driver got out and laid a sawed-off rifle across the roof. I thought the attendant was reaching for his roll, but he pulled a little chrome .25 instead, and I was right in the middle of all of them. My driver's door was open, and I decided I'd rather get shot while at least shooting back, so I dove in for a pair of .38 Supers that I carried at the time, and came out of the car with those in front of me. The robbers both jumped into their car and burned out. The attendant ran inside and called the police, and before I could hardly turn around, there were cops everywhere. I thought the attendant would do me a favor and leave my part out of the story, but he didn't. But hearing it all, one of the Cops turned to me and said I could go, and didn't even ask for my I.D. Whew.
That would be cool.
Doug
yes, most have heard that (to never get in the middle of a
domestic situation)...
...That is RULE #1...
(if escaping pain is your goal).
Could we possibly liken it to grabbing a big, mean, hungry dog's food bowl away from it?
That would be an extremely stupid thing to do, and not something I would recommend.
Situations are different and , therefore must be handled differently.
Something to think about.
Barney
I will look that up later.
Gotta get to the PO.
RT