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What are the legalities
gearheaddad
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of such a cane(gun)?
I'm under the impression it's a no no without an exemption from BATF....I've always thought age doesn't matter on such an item.
Thoughts?
https://www.GunBroker.com/item/785571050
I'm under the impression it's a no no without an exemption from BATF....I've always thought age doesn't matter on such an item.
Thoughts?
https://www.GunBroker.com/item/785571050
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According to the seller it is a black powder antique, which means it is not even a firearm as far as the Feds are concerned. State laws are naturally all over the place on something like this. If it were a modern firearm firing a .410 shotgun shell then it would be an Any Other Weapon, much the same as a pen-gun or other "camouflaged" firearms.
I understand that. But, I can walk into a sporting goods store and buy a box of 2 1/2" 410 shells and shoot that cane. Safe? who cares. I can still shoot it.......Probably depends on which agent on what day he/she comes across something like this.....
Section 2.2 Antique firearm. Firearms defined by the NFA as ?antique firearms? are not subject to any controls under the NFA.22 The NFA defines antique firearms based on their date of manufacture and the type of ignition system used to fire a projectile. Any firearm manufactured in or before 1898 that is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition is an antique firearm. Additionally, any firearm using a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type ignition system, irrespective of the actual date of manufacture of the firearm, is also an antique firearm.
NFA firearms using fixed ammunition are antique firearms only if the weapon was actually manufactured in or before 1898 and the ammunition for the firearm is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. To qualify as an antique firearm, a fixed cartridge firing NFA weapon must meet both the age and ammunition availability standards of the definition.
Concerning ammunition availability, it is important to note that a specific type of fixed ammunition that has been out of production for many years may again become available due to increasing interest in older firearms. Therefore, the classification of a specific NFA firearm as an antique can change if ammunition for the weapon becomes readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
you can even see the firing pin and extractor in the pictures
corrected, thanks dads
of such a cane(gun)?
I'm under the impression it's a no no without an exemption from BATF....I've always thought age doesn't matter on such an item.
Thoughts?
https://www.GunBroker.com/item/785571050
Seems to me I have the same thoughts as you do, Ed, based on news that I had picked up here at GB. Probably over in the ATE forum.
Added: I found this old thread!:
https://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=211102&SearchTerms=cane,gun
NFA firearms using fixed ammunition are antique firearms only if the weapon was actually manufactured in or before 1898 and the ammunition for the firearm is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. To qualify as an antique firearm, a fixed cartridge firing NFA weapon must meet both the age and ammunition availability standards of the definition
I would say it violates the bold section.
The old trapdoor Springfields are examples of arms that were made and designed to shoot cartridges in 45\70 using black powder for their propellant. Some will shoot these with smokeless but I would never recommend doing this. The barrel steel's utilized during this period were not up to modern proofed standards.
You may get away with a few shots with modern ammo but it only takes one time when SHTF and you lose a lot more than the gun you are holding on to!!!
That looks like if fires regular .410 shot shells. It doesn't look like a BP weapon that takes a cap at all.
NFA firearms using fixed ammunition are antique firearms only if the weapon was actually manufactured in or before 1898 and the ammunition for the firearm is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. To qualify as an antique firearm, a fixed cartridge firing NFA weapon must meet both the age and ammunition availability standards of the definition
I would say it violates the bold section.
That is my thought exactly.
No sure I'd want to contest the fine points with the boys in sunglasses and dark suits!
I'm right here James!
Great guns, I agree. he does have some very cool old oddities listed!
Thanks everyone for your input!
Ed