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NASA Study Says World Must be Communism
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Communism is here already along with fascist bankers and corporations as the elites! The NWO! They don't mention population control but war and famine may help them in this department!
serf
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/19/nasa-funded-study-the-way-to-save-western-civilization-from-collapse-is-communism/#ixzz2wcGidkJT
If the United States wants to avoid falling like the Roman Empire, it must avoid "overconsumption" and distribute resources equally, according to a study funded by NASA.
The only way to avoid calamity is to adopt egalitarian methods of resource distribution if resource consumption is limited and distributed equally - eerily reminiscent of those who champion population control or communism.
"Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at the maximum carrying capacity, if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed equitably," according to the report.
"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent," reads the NASA-funded report published in the Ecological Economics journal.
serf
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/19/nasa-funded-study-the-way-to-save-western-civilization-from-collapse-is-communism/#ixzz2wcGidkJT
If the United States wants to avoid falling like the Roman Empire, it must avoid "overconsumption" and distribute resources equally, according to a study funded by NASA.
The only way to avoid calamity is to adopt egalitarian methods of resource distribution if resource consumption is limited and distributed equally - eerily reminiscent of those who champion population control or communism.
"Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at the maximum carrying capacity, if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed equitably," according to the report.
"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent," reads the NASA-funded report published in the Ecological Economics journal.
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weakening society as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying society should not help the poor,
but the way we do it in this country is self destructive, and will one day cause the fall of our nation.[:(]
Shouldn't they be doing something related to.........space, maybe?
As harsh as it might sound, starvation is natures way of culling the nonproductive from the population. The welfare state stops this process, causing an overpopulation of nonproductive people, thus
weakening society as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying society should not help the poor,
but the way we do it in this country is self destructive, and will one day cause the fall of our nation.[:(]
Agree
Welfare and practically all the "Great Society" programs designed to help the poor do not work and never have. Instead these programs have one purpose -- to collect votes. We have spent around $17,000,000,000,000 fighting the "War on Poverty" since 1965.
That amount sound familiar? It is the same as the nations debt.
Instead of helping the poor help themselves, do good liberals have created a way of life perpetuating and growing poverty at an alarming rate.
Unknown to most, Marx and Engels brand of communism would never tolerate such behavior and a welfare state.
IMHO, NASA should be concentrating its resources on space, instead of promoting left wing ideology such as this and global warming.
Notice use of terms "Distribute resources equally" and "overconsumption" in the report. Terms often used by socialist democrats.
Second, the Roman empire fell due to pride and abandoning God. While that is happening here, distribution of resources won't help.
I could post here the links to NASA's response on the inaccurate reporting. I could give you a link to the study itself, where it resides on some university website. All are easily found on the web, available to anybody.
But who would read them? I mean what would be point of offering facts to people who are in desperate need of something to be afraid of? It's not as if anyone would read them, they've got their scarey whacko "news" sources to feed them pig slop, and they do dearly love the flavor.
It's not a NASA study, NASA is not involved. Nor do the private researchers promote communism.
I could post here the links to NASA's response on the inaccurate reporting. I could give you a link to the study itself, where it resides on some university website. All are easily found on the web, available to anybody.
But who would read them? I mean what would be point of offering facts to people who are in desperate need of something to be afraid of? It's not as if anyone would read them, they've got their scarey whacko "news" sources to feed them pig slop, and they do dearly love the flavor.
I would read a legit source.
Pardon my snarky reply to the OP.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
It's not a NASA study, NASA is not involved. Nor do the private researchers promote communism.
I could post here the links to NASA's response on the inaccurate reporting. I could give you a link to the study itself, where it resides on some university website. All are easily found on the web, available to anybody.
But who would read them? I mean what would be point of offering facts to people who are in desperate need of something to be afraid of? It's not as if anyone would read them, they've got their scarey whacko "news" sources to feed them pig slop, and they do dearly love the flavor.
I would read a legit source.
Pardon my snarky reply to the OP.
Yes, indeed. I'd definitely double check any data from something entitled the "Ecological Economics Journal."
It takes way more than a little scepticism with Surf's posts. Several tin hats are needed. I think he might be related to the middle.
Yeah for Nasa itself is an enigma rolled into mystical themes and I think the source of the link is legit but He dog check this one out and guess who calculated it!
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/about_JPL/jpl101.pdf
Where and how are these Tetrad patterns
derived from? One primary source has been
from NASA.
http://www.sonoma.edu/users/v/vegalu/eschatology_files/blood.pdf
To understand what might happen during the Tetrad of 2014-2015 one can examine and compare the pattern of the immediate and prior Tetrads of the past. The Bible does state that Israel as a nation is
the key to understanding end-times sequence of events.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
The bottomline is this is a study, funded by NASA that created a mathematical model called the Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model.
C&P from the study:
-appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."
-"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."
To me this study(A waste of $$ IMO) is just more self flagellation, environmentalist wacko and white guilt that is so stylish in western society right now.[xx(][xx(][V][V]
I am sure some buffoon like algore, who is an Elite super consumer carbon spewing hog will glom on to this study and tell everyone he needs more money so he can save the planet.
Here is a little better article
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
The bottomline is this is a study, funded by NASA that created a mathematical model called the Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model.
C&P from the study:
-appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."
-"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."
To me this study(A waste of $$ IMO) is just more self flagellation, environmentalist wacko and white guilt that is so stylish in western society right now.[xx(][xx(][V][V]
I am sure some buffoon like algore, who is an Elite super consumer carbon spewing hog will glom on to this study and tell everyone he needs more money so he can save the planet.
No, it is not funded by NASA. Claiming it is funded by or is in any way a NASA study is not correct. NASA has nothing to do with the study. Nor does it make any claims that have been assigned to it in the media. Not if you read the entire document. Take snippets out of context and you can make it say most anything.
On other points I may well agree with you.
I find these academic exercises rather pointless. They inherently leave out crucial elements of why societies rise and fall, or what sustains them in difficult times. It is a set of big questions I see as inapplicable to mathematical modeling, which is all they are trying to do. Build mathematical models, because, let's face the truth here people, scientists tend to be nerds and geeks. They practically live to calculate.
No matter, car's packed, time to get to the gun show, pick up my order at Cabela's, go sight-in a pistol.
Ya'll have fun around here!
Sorry Surf, I think you are just trolling.
I think your just afraid of Knowledge whatever the source. A Mindset is a dangerous thing! Like Blinders on a horse to control his eyesight for things it can't or won't understand.
serf
http://www.bariumblues.com/jpl.htm
JPL -- The occult roots of NASA!
Jack Parsons headed a local lodge of an
esoteric order linked to a notorious occult group that spawned sto-
ries of drug use and sex orgies. After leaving Aerojet, Parsons
worked for aircraft manufacturers and explosives makers. He, too,
was investigated by the FBI, and eventually lost his security clear-
ance. In 1952 he made plans to move to Mexico to get a new
start, but a blast in a garage at his Pasadena apart-
ment killed him at age 37. Police ruled it an
accident. In 1972, a crater on the
Moon was named for Parsons, one
on the far side
quote:Originally posted by topdad
As harsh as it might sound, starvation is natures way of culling the nonproductive from the population. The welfare state stops this process, causing an overpopulation of nonproductive people, thus
weakening society as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying society should not help the poor,
but the way we do it in this country is self destructive, and will one day cause the fall of our nation.[:(]
Agree
Welfare and practically all the "Great Society" programs designed to help the poor do not work and never have. Instead these programs have one purpose -- to collect votes. We have spent around $17,000,000,000,000 fighting the "War on Poverty" since 1965.
That amount sound familiar? It is the same as the nations debt.
Instead of helping the poor help themselves, do good liberals have created a way of life perpetuating and growing poverty at an alarming rate.
Unknown to most, Marx and Engels brand of communism would never tolerate such behavior and a welfare state.
IMHO, NASA should be concentrating its resources on space, instead of promoting left wing ideology such as this and global warming.
Notice use of terms "Distribute resources equally" and "overconsumption" in the report. Terms often used by socialist democrats.
Yep...
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
Here is a little better article
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
The bottomline is this is a study, funded by NASA that created a mathematical model called the Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model.
C&P from the study:
-appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."
-"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."
To me this study(A waste of $$ IMO) is just more self flagellation, environmentalist wacko and white guilt that is so stylish in western society right now.[xx(][xx(][V][V]
I am sure some buffoon like algore, who is an Elite super consumer carbon spewing hog will glom on to this study and tell everyone he needs more money so he can save the planet.
No, it is not funded by NASA. Claiming it is funded by or is in any way a NASA study is not correct. NASA has nothing to do with the study. Nor does it make any claims that have been assigned to it in the media. Not if you read the entire document. Take snippets out of context and you can make it say most anything.
On other points I may well agree with you.
I find these academic exercises rather pointless. They inherently leave out crucial elements of why societies rise and fall, or what sustains them in difficult times. It is a set of big questions I see as inapplicable to mathematical modeling, which is all they are trying to do. Build mathematical models, because, let's face the truth here people, scientists tend to be nerds and geeks. They practically live to calculate.
No matter, car's packed, time to get to the gun show, pick up my order at Cabela's, go sight-in a pistol.
Ya'll have fun around here!
Rebuttal here! Hell Obama Care is Socialism and so is Social Security! Give me my money back with interest in Gold please!
serf
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/21/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange
Nasa's funding for the very research behind the study is explicitly acknowledged in the paper, which is now available online here (p. 23):
"This work was partially funded through NASA/GSFC [Goddard Space Flight Center] grant NNX12AD03A."
And the US National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (Sesync) where the lead author carried out his research for the project issued an official clarification about the study yesterday as follows, confirming the same:
"Motesharrei received minor support from NASA to develop a coupled earth system model. Some of this funding was spent on the mathematical development of the HANDY model."
Indeed, the authors of the paper fully agreed with the accuracy of my characterisation of the study as being "Nasa-funded" or "sponsored." It comes down to a simple question really. Was the HANDY model funded by NASA? The answer is yes, even if the conclusions of the study do not represent the views of the space agency.
The NWO is giving you a choice and they knew hydrocarbons where running out and this secanario was coming in the 1950s! Esoteric societies are manipulating us plain and simple!
serf
Although models presented in this paper are from different classes (minimal Handy vs. more complex, realistic world model, World3), their conclusions are similar. In the long run, not so far into the future, humanity must change to living sustainably on planet Earth. This change can occur either as a planned gradual transition, preserving well-functioning societies, or as a more disruptive, unplanned transition resulting in a less pleasant society with a reduced ecological capacity."