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Forced Vaccinations (here in Amerika)
MaxOHMS
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If there is an epidemic, and you don't want the entire community to get sick, but only ONE person not being inoculated could kill everybody, is it ethical or legal to FORCE them to get the vaccine?
Leave aside the thought that certainly you SHOULD get it...can you be FORCED to?
What about parents who don't want their kids to go to school, at risk of contracting the disease from the unvaccinated kid? What about THEIR rights? Does the school then have to pay to provide education at HOME?
Until and unless we compare the vaccinated to the never vaccinated, we will never know if vaccines, whether in general or specifically, result in better health outcomes for those who are administered them.
And forget the argument that people who don't vaccinate might be different and that might affect the results: If the never-vaccinated are healthier than the vaccinated, wouldn't we want to know it? We could then go about trying to understand why.
The failure to do such studies speaks volumes.
As far as using the excuse that there are limitations and difficulties with conducting such studies, fine. Don't do them. But stop pretending you know that the benefits of vaccines (far) outweigh the risks.
Finally, the hue and cry over the Wakefield paper is so out of proportion to the alleged wrongdoings, one has to wonder who's behind it and why it is happening.
If those who are claiming such egregious flaws really cared whether or not the Wakefield paper was fatally in err, they would do a properly designed and conducted retrospective study comparing those who have only gotten the MMR to those who have never been vaccinated at all. Only then might we get closer to the truth.
But that isn't going to happen, because there is no official interest in really knowing it.
So instead we get a smoke-screen designed to quell further debate and put the fear of God (or something) in anyone contemplating challenging the status quo.
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 by: S. D. Wells
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(NaturalNews) Reports are still streaming in of girls in Texas as young as 9 years old having outbreaks of genital warts, going into convulsions, becoming paralyzed, slipping into comas, and even dying after being force-vaccinated by the highly controversial HPV vaccine Gardasil.
Thousands of well-documented cases have been posted to VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, but nothing is being done because VAERS only investigates cases that the manufacturer Merck suggests as, "complaints that require further research," which, so far is none.
"In our analysis of VAERS data, we look for patterns of adverse events that may be plausibly linked to a vaccine. Such patterns of adverse events may require further study."
Put simply, if a suspected murderer was on trial, and the Judge asked him or her if there were any other accomplices who helped plan or commit the crime, and the suspect said no, should the jury and the general public feel secure, that the suspect is telling the truth, and that no further investigation is necessary?
There are absolutely no checks and balances in place for properly verifying the flood of incoming damage reports. Nurses in Virginia filter and medically encode the public complaints on VAERS, and then they repost them, often make coding errors.
Plus, the site is regulated by the FDA who approved the horror in the first place. How can the public rely on the so called "transparency" of the site when reports are botched and full of misleading medical codes? As far as the public knows, the last coma report could now be listed as "broccoli allergen 3.2."
To make things worse, girls and their parents must be "educated" about the vaccine before it is administered, so in other words, have a frank discussion with your nine year old child about sex before you place them in line to be poisoned against their will.
Is this 1940 Nazi Germany all over again? Maybe all the victims of this executive order should also be forced to watch a video that documents the Republican extremist Rick Perry's infamous run for the oval office and his political views.
The damage being done to young, innocent girls and boys is extensive. Eleven deaths occurred less than one week after receiving the vaccine, seven of which died in less than two days. Three of the deaths were boys. The most common diagnosis of the cause of those deaths was blood clotting.
One female died from a blood clot within 3 hours. The echocardiogram revealed an enlarged right ventricle and blood clot within the right atrium and the right ventricle. Reports also include the onset of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a serious disorder where the body's immune system mistakenly attacks part of the nervous system.
Judicial Watch, the public interest group which investigates and prosecutes government corruption, released a report based on new FDA documents regarding adverse reactions to the vaccine, including over a hundred deaths and spontaneous abortions caused by Gardasil. The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published an article that describes over 12,000 reports of adverse events following Gardasil vaccinations.
The serious adverse events include anaphylactic shock, convulsion, foaming at mouth, coma, paralysis, and death. One report says a girl experienced anaphylactic shock two minutes after the vaccination. This kind of shock is considered to be immediately life-threatening. Trial data alone revealed that over 70 percent of the participants who received Gardasil acquired a new medical condition, ranging from flu-like symptoms to paralysis.
Thousands of VAERS reports include fainting (syncope) that caused serious head injuries, so the FDA and CDC's cure for this is, "Keeping the vaccinated person seated for up to 15 minutes after vaccination." But then new information surfaced that many of the girls who fainted experienced "tonic-clonic jerking movements and seizure-like activity," so the FDA revised the labeling for the immunization providers with a new "Warnings and Precautions" section.
One 14 year old girl took six steps after being injected with the vaccine and collapsed to the floor unconscious, experiencing a one minute long grand mal seizure. When she finally came to, her blood pressure was 60/40.
According to one physician's post to VAERS, a 17 year old female who was vaccinated with a .5ml dose experienced painful swelling "the size of a golf ball" at the needle's point of entry on her arm.
Over 19,000 of the VAERS reports are from the United States. Over 900 of those are from Texas. More than 3,000 reports are from "unknown locations," so the Texas total could be much higher. Over 400 reports in Texas include emergency room visits, 10 of which involve extended hospital stay. Thirty one reports are of girls who are now disabled, and more than 175 others who did not recover from their injuries.
Gardisil is basically useless. Most HPV infections in young females are temporary and have little long-term significance. Seventy percent of infections are gone in 1 year and ninety percent in less than 2 years. Plus, the vaccine only uses a couple of possible strains of human papillomavirus, of which there are literally hundreds.
So why did this vaccine ever get approved by the FDA and hit so many schools in the United States and Great Britain? The U.S. pharmaceutical giant Merck needed a new cash cow to replace the billions they lost from Vioxx, which got pulled from the market after causing over 50,000 deaths. Gardasil would have no problem filling the void, as it costs up to $1000 per dose, conveniently paid for through Medicaid by yours truly - the taxpayer.
Worldwide, over 35 million girls have been injected with the Gardasil vaccine. So far, Gardasil has been linked to over 140 deaths and countless side-effects, while cancer associated with HPV is only responsible for 1% of all cancer deaths. Gardasil is marketed mainly towards males and females age 9 to 26 as a "preventative" tool against cervical and * cancer.
Why does Gardasil cause so many problems? The vaccine contains polysorbate 80, which is carcinogenic and mutagenic. When injected into rats, it causes their reproductive organs to grow abnormally and then become sterile. When used intravenously with vitamins it has been known to cause anaphylactic shock. The vaccine also contains sodium borate, which is widely known for its use as a roach pesticide, and the U.S. National Library of Medicine lists its side effects as vomiting, collapse, convulsions, and coma. Sound familiar?
The absurdity of the entire HPV hoax lies in the fact that the risk of adverse side effects from the vaccine is so much greater than the risk of contracting cervical cancer. Gardasil is just another H1N1 invasion of human rights that is causing permanent injuries and death all in the name of Rick Perry's political need for monetary backing.
If anyone doubts that Gardasil is causing deaths, permanent injuries and devastation to families in Texas and all over the United States, they should check out the SaneVax vaccine safety site created by mothers of children killed and injured by HPV vaccines at sanevax.org.
Sources for this article include:
http://understandinggov.org/2010/12...
http://sanevax.org/
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVa...
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/09/1...
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/08/...
http://www.judicialwatch.org/story/...
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/fi...
http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=...
http://www.naturalnews.com/027984_s...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedh...
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When I read bigdaddyjr's thread about his grandson, I posted it.
Don't worry, these are the "good old days" [;)]
Show up to my door with a needle to give my kid an injection, you'll get an injection yourself.
A detailed investigation by the gun-owner community has found no correlation between the acute-lead poisoning deaths of the government needle-men and the shooting that occurred earlier. We believe that it is perfectly safe for them to receive lead injections [:p]
(just mocking the people that think vaccines are 100% safe...in reality medicine is simply statistics once you get past in-vitro experiments... except when it comes to debilitating symptoms or death, I sure as hell don't want to be the "statistical outlier")
I wonder how important forced whooping cough vaccinations are and also if my son was still in school would he had had pressure to take the vaccination.
If that school nurse feels it is so darn important that your child have all those vaccines have her, or anyone else in authority, sign a statement that it is safe and that they accept responsibility for any adverse reaction. They won't do it and fall back on law or school board decisions. No one who is forcing the issue will sign a statement of responsiblity. That was how I handled it many years ago and as long as I did it quietly and didn't make a fuss I got my way.
More conspiracy theory BS. It will never happen in America.
You are absolutely right about that.
It happened with H1N1 !
Weren't you here in these forums to read about it ?
I either missed that one, the forced vaccine that I don't remember was full of memory altering agents or your post should have been in green.
Personally, I'm still waiting for the gas stations to run dry precursing the EOTWAWKI as we were told would happen this month by "someone in a position to know."
I myself did not condemn vaccinations, I have mine, do you have yours? I got mine voluntarily, no government made me get them.
A thriteen year old gets early onset diabeties,
A 12 year old mysteriously comes down with autisim,
A nurse mysteriously comes down with fatal Lupis,
All these folks I knew from work. They all recieved vaccines just months befor comeing down with this BS. My 6 year old son came down with COAD after his vaccine shots. One doctor told me his personal feelings were kids can get this sort of thing from "viruses" in the brain. Oh, you mean those vaccines that are called shotgun effective vaccines that can contain up to 100 different versions of the virus since they all can change.....somewhat, so they increase the chances of a "hit". many of these injected viruses are not dead either.
Iv read the big pharmacutical studies typicaly are set up to end the post injection evaluation PRIOR to the majority of permanent damage induced. A 5 week post injection evaluation is not uncommon. I personaly jumped through the paper hoops for my kids and got a Religious exemption from school mandated injections. Do the research, dont become a statistic.
Oh, as for the schools, they get a Federal stipend if 90 percent or more kids are vacinated. At least that was the case 10 years ago when I looked into it.
If you went to public schools in the 60, 70, or early 80's you were forced to be vaccinated.
Paul
Howdy,
If you went to public schools in the 60, 70, or early 80's you were forced to be vaccinated.
Paul
And many schools today won't let your kids attend if you don't show updated, complete shot cards. Isn't that sort of "forcing" vaccinations? I suppose I could shop around for private schools which will let them attend, assuming I could afford private schools.
Though back when I first started in LE I did take the Hep B vaccine. I don't know that I would take it now if it were offered.
I'd refuse a flu vaccine if work tried to force it on me. I do not participate in work related "health screenings" or vaccinations. I have not received a flu vaccine.
Though back when I first started in LE I did take the Hep B vaccine. I don't know that I would take it now if it were offered.
I opted out years ago.
There was serious talk of making it mandatory for all police, fire and medical workers, but that thought quickly went bye-bye.
The Hep shots are making a comeback with government, but there is still an opt out provision.
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
I'd refuse a flu vaccine if work tried to force it on me. I do not participate in work related "health screenings" or vaccinations. I have not received a flu vaccine.
Though back when I first started in LE I did take the Hep B vaccine. I don't know that I would take it now if it were offered.
I opted out years ago.
There was serious talk of making it mandatory for all police, fire and medical workers, but that thought quickly went bye-bye.
The Hep shots are making a comeback with government, but there is still an opt out provision.
That was 16 years ago, and I was working in a Hospital setting at the time so chance of exposure was much higher.
We offer it to new employees and they have to sign a declination form if they choose not to participate.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
I'd refuse a flu vaccine if work tried to force it on me. I do not participate in work related "health screenings" or vaccinations. I have not received a flu vaccine.
Though back when I first started in LE I did take the Hep B vaccine. I don't know that I would take it now if it were offered.
I opted out years ago.
There was serious talk of making it mandatory for all police, fire and medical workers, but that thought quickly went bye-bye.
The Hep shots are making a comeback with government, but there is still an opt out provision.
That was 16 years ago, and I was working in a Hospital setting at the time so chance of exposure was much higher.
We offer it to new employees and they have to sign a declination form if they choose not to participate.
Sounds similar.
County Health revisited it for existing employees that their 'records' show have not taken it. Have to sign a new opt-out form, even now.
New-hires are the same as you describe.
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
I'd refuse a flu vaccine if work tried to force it on me. I do not participate in work related "health screenings" or vaccinations. I have not received a flu vaccine.
Though back when I first started in LE I did take the Hep B vaccine. I don't know that I would take it now if it were offered.
I opted out years ago.
There was serious talk of making it mandatory for all police, fire and medical workers, but that thought quickly went bye-bye.
The Hep shots are making a comeback with government, but there is still an opt out provision.
That was 16 years ago, and I was working in a Hospital setting at the time so chance of exposure was much higher.
We offer it to new employees and they have to sign a declination form if they choose not to participate.
Sounds similar.
County Health revisited it for existing employees that their 'records' show have not taken it. Have to sign a new opt-out form, even now.
New-hires are the same as you describe.
I believe its required by OSHA for Public Safety and health Care Jobs that the Hep B Vaccine be offered or the Declination Form signed.
Do you mean made up monkeycrap?
GunBroker.com Message Forums - Don't want to take the flu shot
... but I think it darn close to insanity to be spreading misinformation from a madeupmonkeycrap.com website. People are free to believe whatever they want, ...
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... and all I get are links to Russian newspapers, madeupmonkeycrap.com websites, and circular links to yet other conspiracy sites and precious metals .
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