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Barzillia, you have made yourself and your
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Opinions on Trump completely irrelevant, I was wondering if you were aware of that fact.[?]
WHY?
You stated more than once you did not vote for POTUS in 2016, you chose to leave that box blank. Your voice was not heard, your opinion has no value, it carries no weight. So, every single argument you make about Trump, good or bad is like the cosmic winds, just background noise of no value to the questions and issues we face as a nation.
By your actions you have made your opinions, links, posts and obfuscations as relevant as the Renhuai City, Guizhou province, China Director of Sewers opinion in American Presidential matters.
Congratulations are in order on your self inflicted irrelevancy. [:)]
WHY?
You stated more than once you did not vote for POTUS in 2016, you chose to leave that box blank. Your voice was not heard, your opinion has no value, it carries no weight. So, every single argument you make about Trump, good or bad is like the cosmic winds, just background noise of no value to the questions and issues we face as a nation.
By your actions you have made your opinions, links, posts and obfuscations as relevant as the Renhuai City, Guizhou province, China Director of Sewers opinion in American Presidential matters.
Congratulations are in order on your self inflicted irrelevancy. [:)]
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Often enough I don't vote in everything on the ballot. I am a productive citizen, pay my taxes and vote. If I make a decision not to vote for one of the candidates in a particular race or on a particular matter, the does not make me or my opinions irrelevant.
I don't agree with you on this bpost. Absent a "none of the above" box on the ballot sometimes there is just not a candidate a person can justify voting for and the box is left blank. That counts. That's the way I view it, I know some will not agree.
Often enough I don't vote in everything on the ballot. I am a productive citizen, pay my taxes and vote. If I make a decision not to vote for one of the candidates in a particular race or on a particular matter, the does not make me or my opinions irrelevant.
You are not Barzillia. [;)][:D]
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
I don't agree with you on this bpost. Absent a "none of the above" box on the ballot sometimes there is just not a candidate a person can justify voting for and the box is left blank. That counts. That's the way I view it, I know some will not agree.
Often enough I don't vote in everything on the ballot. I am a productive citizen, pay my taxes and vote. If I make a decision not to vote for one of the candidates in a particular race or on a particular matter, the does not make me or my opinions irrelevant.
You are not Barzillia. [;)][:D]
maybe he is
Your vote is your voice. When there is a choice to be made doing NOTHING is never acceptable and doing nothing forfeits your right to * about the outcome.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
I don't agree with you on this bpost. Absent a "none of the above" box on the ballot sometimes there is just not a candidate a person can justify voting for and the box is left blank. That counts. That's the way I view it, I know some will not agree.
Often enough I don't vote in everything on the ballot. I am a productive citizen, pay my taxes and vote. If I make a decision not to vote for one of the candidates in a particular race or on a particular matter, the does not make me or my opinions irrelevant.
You are not Barzillia. [;)][:D]
Are you Barzilla? You seem to be in the know [}:)][;)]
Who is this about?
Perhaps you may recognize "Hillary Supporter".
Does that ring a bell?
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
He has to be the most irritating person on GB!
Wonder how many pages this one will go when troll boy/girl starts trollin', trollin', trollin' on it.
The OP is trollin, so shouldn't we all join in?
A refusal to vote is a vote. I voted, but not for either major party candidate. Refusal to vote for a clown or a crook is part of the freedom we enjoy. In this election cycle, it was not only perfectly rational and thoughtful it was ultimately the proper vote.
Brad Steele
The outcome was decided by the electoral college. So that makes what you're complaining about irrelevant.
But I do agree with you, everything he says Is irrelevant, just by the sheer stupidity of what he says.
What you need to do is ignore his threads like I do. I mean why read it when you know it will be wrong anyway. I have better things to do with my time than to read his hogwash, like counting flowers on the wall. By the way, I don't have time for that either.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Who is this about?
Perhaps you may recognize "Hillary Supporter".
Does that ring a bell?
No bells rung.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I like reading differing opinions, it makes you think. Otherwise it just becomes an echo chamber.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Wonder how many pages this one will go when troll boy/girl starts trollin', trollin', trollin' on it.
The OP is trollin, so shouldn't we all join in?
A refusal to vote is a vote. I voted, but not for either major party candidate. Refusal to vote for a clown or a crook is part of the freedom we enjoy. In this election cycle, it was not only perfectly rational and thoughtful it was ultimately the proper vote.
X-ring.
I don't agree with a lot of what Barzilla posts but I do have respect for the man. He has his beliefs and sticks with them. Not easily swayed by flash and nonsense.
I like reading differing opinions, it makes you think. Otherwise it just becomes an echo chamber.
+1
took awhile to understand, allot like old member harry , articulate and intelligent but often misguided
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Opinions on Trump completely irrelevant, I was wondering if you were aware of that fact.[?]
WHY?
You stated more than once you did not vote for POTUS in 2016, you chose to leave that box blank. Your voice was not heard, your opinion has no value, it carries no weight. So, every single argument you make about Trump, good or bad is like the cosmic winds, just background noise of no value to the questions and issues we face as a nation.
By your actions you have made your opinions, links, posts and obfuscations as relevant as the Renhuai City, Guizhou province, China Director of Sewers opinion in American Presidential matters.
Congratulations are in order on your self inflicted irrelevancy. [:)]
Yes, that is certainly what I said.
And what is equally certain is that is not all that I said.
You are, however, claiming something that is neither accurate, nor rational.
I haven't "made " anything here. What value and worth you wish to ascribe to what I have posted is not controlled by me, it is entirely up to you.
For Pete's sake, take a little responsibility for your own thoughts. I do not make you do anything.
But, since today this is the 500th anniversary of the conclusion of the Diet of Worms, Martin Luther?s closing statement seems appropriate this evening:
"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason - I do not accept the authority of the popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other - my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen."
That is what I said then, and I do not regret it.
I think my decision was appropriate then, and still do.
Decisions of conscience are sometimes met with displeasure from others, it is an inherent cost.
I still regard my circumstances at the election then as a grace, as I continue to do so now.
Decisions to support Trump have now led many to a very uncomfortable place, whether they will admit to it or not.
And it has blinded many to any questioning of the wisdom of that support, or observations about the results.
That was their decision.
And as they say, there are consequences to an election.
Congratulations, indeed !
[:D][:D][:D]
Why is it that you only bad mouth Conservatives and never Liberals? Any time a Political thread pops up here, you instantly have negative comments to say about it.
We don't go to your house and talk smack, why do you come to ours and do it?
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Having on many occasions asked the subject what his own thoughts might be on a topic, and received diddly squat in response, I see little basis upon which to form a judgement.
For those who think they respect the opinions of the subject person, what exactly would those be? Posting C&P information from others provides little to no insight into what the poster actually thinks.
Having on many occasions asked the subject what his own thoughts might be on a topic, and received diddly squat in response, I see little basis upon which to form a judgement.
...ask him about his fire arms,or his government job...
One of things I most enjoy about this site is that there is some diversity of opinion, and on rare occasions some actual diversity of thought. The great purge removed some, but enough remains to keep it interesting. If we lose that which does remain we will be reduced to swapping dinner menus and gardening tips.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Opinions on Trump completely irrelevant, I was wondering if you were aware of that fact.[?]
WHY?
You stated more than once you did not vote for POTUS in 2016, you chose to leave that box blank. Your voice was not heard, your opinion has no value, it carries no weight. So, every single argument you make about Trump, good or bad is like the cosmic winds, just background noise of no value to the questions and issues we face as a nation.
By your actions you have made your opinions, links, posts and obfuscations as relevant as the Renhuai City, Guizhou province, China Director of Sewers opinion in American Presidential matters.
Congratulations are in order on your self inflicted irrelevancy. [:)]
Yes, that is certainly what I said.
And what is equally certain is that is not all that I said.
You are, however, claiming something that is neither accurate, nor rational.
I haven't "made " anything here. What value and worth you wish to ascribe to what I have posted is not controlled by me, it is entirely up to you.
For Pete's sake, take a little responsibility for your own thoughts. I do not make you do anything.
But, since today this is the 500th anniversary of the conclusion of the Diet of Worms, Martin Luther?s closing statement seems appropriate this evening:
"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason - I do not accept the authority of the popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other - my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen."
That is what I said then, and I do not regret it.
I think my decision was appropriate then, and still do.
Decisions of conscience are sometimes met with displeasure from others, it is an inherent cost.
I still regard my circumstances at the election then as a grace, as I continue to do so now.
Decisions to support Trump have now led many to a very uncomfortable place, whether they will admit to it or not.
And it has blinded many to any questioning of the wisdom of that support, or observations about the results.
That was their decision.
And as they say, there are consequences to an election.
Congratulations, indeed !
[:D][:D][:D]
Why is it that you only bad mouth Conservatives and never Liberals? Any time a Political thread pops up here, you instantly have negative comments to say about it.
We don't go to your house and talk smack, why do you come to ours and do it?
If Clinton were to be POTUS, I would just as easily comment.
I refused to vote for her, as well.
It just so happens that the majority of posters who bring up topics in these forums consider themselves conservative, and when they post nonsense I feel no special duty to join in the back slapping and glad handing just to make other people feel good.
How many people were posting threads in support of Clinton on this site ????
What you are seeing, when I post about the common foolishness about anybody different from the groupthink so prevalent here, is usually an attempt to bring the discussion to the facts and a more rational discourse.
As I repeatedly posted when the hoaxes and lies were being posted hot and heavy, I never got the message that the truth needed to be sacrificed just to make political hay.
When did people cede away the truth as a conservative value ?
Why don't I see you advocating for the truth ?
And just where do you get and post the information that you get?
Liberal News.
Conservative and Liberal truths are two completely different things.
I don't agree that non-voting is a vote. I understand the argument, but don't agree with it.
Vote for the best, or vote for the least-worst. But vote.
The electoral college was decided by the Founding Fathers, and that is good enough for me. This is America, and it's my country, and therefore I will play by its rules.
"And just where do you get and post the information that you get?
Liberal News.
Conservative and Liberal truths are two completely different things."
Unfortunately, there is no one sure and simple source for truth, facts, or evidence.
Except for one.
As you will not have it, either, then we are left with what we can find and apply our best thinking to it.
Feel free to correct my fact that I have posted that is not accurate, as I have no interest in being in error.
But stop the crying when I do the same.
Posting nothing but personal attacks, thinly veiled obscenities, or pornographic references to my family does't accomplish much to raise the level of discourse in this forum.
But I have never seen any complaints about the posters who use them.
Why do you think that is ?
And please don't try "You made me do it".
"But stop the crying when I do the same.
Posting nothing but personal attacks, thinly veiled obscenities, or pornographic references to my family does't accomplish much to raise the level of discourse in this forum."
That was pretty childish right there, over exaggerating and trying to spin what I say.
I especially like the, "pornographic references to my family". You must be talking about when I asked you if you thought Tampons equal rape in women according to that liberal Hippy. You are calling them Family? Gotcha!
Your next step will be to try an kill the thread with Religion.
"And just where do you get and post the information that you get?
Liberal News.
Conservative and Liberal truths are two completely different things."
Unfortunately, there is no one sure and simple source for truth, facts, or evidence.
Except for one.
As you will not have it, either, then we are left with what we can find and apply our best thinking to it.
Feel free to correct my fact that I have posted that is not accurate, as I have no interest in being in error.
But stop the crying when I do the same.
Posting nothing but personal attacks, thinly veiled obscenities, or pornographic references to my family does't accomplish much to raise the level of discourse in this forum.
But I have never seen any complaints about the posters who use them.
Why do you think that is ?
And please don't try "You made me do it".
While I agree that many a poster gets a free pass for bad behavior, I have spoken up, and while your theatre is interesting and mostly true, it is just theatre.
Bpost is feeling neglected, you have stolen all the attention and his inner troll is crying out. [:D]
And to the general point, it wouldn't hurt you to give a bit of credit where credit is due. Others here have posted up about the OP, and bpost. Not all have dog piled.
He has to be the most irritating person on GB!
Oh I don't know there are plenty of irritating posters here.
Diversity of thought is what keeps one's mind alive. If one is looking for an echo chamber, one most likely already is supporting one with his neck.
One of things I most enjoy about this site is that there is some diversity of opinion, and on rare occasions some actual diversity of thought. The great purge removed some, but enough remains to keep it interesting. If we lose that which does remain we will be reduced to swapping dinner menus and gardening tips.
+1 Don.
I too appreciate Barzillia's posts.
If you read between the lines, He is merely provoking discussion.
I value dissenting opinions.
YVMD.
I value dissenting opinions.
No you don't! Don
I do want to know more.
Apparently, not all do.
WELL SAID [^]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Diversity of thought is what keeps one's mind alive. If one is looking for an echo chamber, one most likely already is supporting one with his neck.
One of things I most enjoy about this site is that there is some diversity of opinion, and on rare occasions some actual diversity of thought. The great purge removed some, but enough remains to keep it interesting. If we lose that which does remain we will be reduced to swapping dinner menus and gardening tips.
+1 Don.
I too appreciate Barzillia's posts.
If you read between the lines, He is merely provoking discussion.
I value dissenting opinions.
YVMD.
Ken, you seem to be a pretty intelligent guy and I'm 99% sure your not a Liberal Troll.
If you would like to take over the Barz job at debating Politics, I would be more than happy to jump in.
My problem with him is that he is a Liberal with an Agenda here.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
"And just where do you get and post the information that you get?
Liberal News.
Conservative and Liberal truths are two completely different things."
Unfortunately, there is no one sure and simple source for truth, facts, or evidence.
Except for one.
As you will not have it, either, then we are left with what we can find and apply our best thinking to it.
Feel free to correct my fact that I have posted that is not accurate, as I have no interest in being in error.
But stop the crying when I do the same.
Posting nothing but personal attacks, thinly veiled obscenities, or pornographic references to my family does't accomplish much to raise the level of discourse in this forum.
But I have never seen any complaints about the posters who use them.
Why do you think that is ?
And please don't try "You made me do it".
While I agree that many a poster gets a free pass for bad behavior, I have spoken up, and while your theatre is interesting and mostly true, it is just theatre.
Bpost is feeling neglected, you have stolen all the attention and his inner troll is crying out. [:D]
And to the general point, it wouldn't hurt you to give a bit of credit where credit is due. Others here have posted up about the OP, and bpost. Not all have dog piled.
No, you are correct, they certainly have not.
But there are reasons why I do not routinely acknowledge many who also think in ways different from those who attempt to make posting in this forum some sort of gladitorial combat.
They stand on their own, for their own reasons, and speak when they see fit. They may never speak in this forum on these topics.
Let every man be fully convinced.
This is not a popularity contest, I try hard not to make it one, and there are more than might be obvious who have communicated a desire to not participate in the scat flinging some resort to when they have nothing else meaningful to say. I have no problem with that.
I appreciate their concerns as well, and not every man is called to be the very same member of the body.
What a man says, he says forever.
And there are always consequences.
But as iron sharpens iron, I always hope for a good discussion.
I do want to know more.
Apparently, not all do.
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Ya'll have a good evening !!
Giving equal in return to that you demand from others is a glaring black hole in you. You do not discuss, you troll.
I do not expect much from him and what we are seeing is really not that surprising. I expected him to have a difficult time implementing anything as I expected the establishment R's and D's to be in lockstep against him. I saw this in MN when Ventura got elected gov. He was able to do a little good and no lasting damage. That is my hope for Trump. I am not holding my breath for any game changing corrections. I am just hoping to tread water, hanging on to a republic until hopefully the left manages to derail itself. They seem to have a tendency to eat their own and I hope this continues.
Everything we do affects those around us, so a vote for, a vote against, a third party choice, or a write in vote, combine to give us the end result.
You could say my vote didn't count as all the libs in the twin cities gave this state to grandma pantsuit, but the thought of her picking supreme court justices was too much for me. I held my nose and pulled the lever for Trump.
I do not expect much from him and what we are seeing is really not that surprising. I expected him to have a difficult time implementing anything as I expected the establishment R's and D's to be in lockstep against him. I saw this in MN when Ventura got elected gov. He was able to do a little good and no lasting damage. That is my hope for Trump. I am not holding my breath for any game changing corrections. I am just hoping to tread water, hanging on to a republic until hopefully the left manages to derail itself. They seem to have a tendency to eat their own and I hope this continues.
Everything we do affects those around us, so a vote for, a vote against, a third party choice, or a write in vote, combine to give us the end result.
As did I. I voted solely based upon the SCOTUS issue, and that part at least, appears to have paid off.
I never expected much else either.
"Posting nothing but personal attacks, thinly veiled obscenities, or pornographic references to my family does't accomplish much to raise the level of discourse in this forum."
Why not contribute to raising the level of discourse here ?
I have many faults, bpost, more than you know.
And I have been called far worse, by far better.
There is an old saying that "If you knew me as I knew me, you would not want to sit next to me. But If I knew you, as you knew you, I wouldn't want to sit next to you, either."
We are all bozos on this bus.
Perhaps you should research the definition of discussion, before denying that it exists.
Nobody that I am aware of has posted anything derogatory about your family or pornographic in nature about you. If I missed something please let me know, I will address it.
I stand by this Barzillia; "Giving equal in return to that you demand from others is a glaring black hole in you."
It is why you are named "troll", and, as I explained in the past it is not name calling anymore than saying you are a Benz Driver. It is a moniker you have earned, I simply acknowledge it.
For your edification;
Definition of discuss
a : to investigate by reasoning or argument discuss the matter with your family
b : to present in detail for examination or consideration as discussed in the text
c : to talk about discussing the news of the day
Definition of discussion
: consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate a heated political discussion
: a formal treatment of a topic in speech or writing A discussion on the topic is included in the first chapter.
Do you feel you discuss topics Barzillia? Do you contribute to the discussion with YOUR feeling, thoughts or ideas, sharing them for the sake of discussion?