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Silencers

txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
Looking for the info on the ATF website for the legal route to obtaining a silencer, and cant find it. Can anyone help me with this? All help is greatly appreciated.

Brian
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife is watching a show on A and E I think. Something about a murder case. The narrator just spoke about silencers and the reason that folks use them is because it alters the ballistic evidence left behind by a bullet! I have never heard that before in my life! Oh, it was a homemade silencer.
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
    If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I heard they were taking silencers off the nfa list and wondering if this true and did they
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  • BeeramidBeeramid Member Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is my understanding that a bullet doesn't touch the suppressor[?]
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,527 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Correct. Powder residue
    velocity reduced. gas of bullet is absorbed by silencer.
    Makes telling the distance of bullet traveled difficult.
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  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674 ✭
    edited November -1
    Way back in the day, WW2ish suppressor used wire mesh baffles that rounds actually passed through the wire. I assume this would make extra markings on the bullet.

    Modern suppressors use baffles that have holes in them for the bullet to pass. The baffles have other holes in them for the gases to move around in the suppressor. Basically a suppressor works by giving the gas time to "slowly" escape vs a sudden pressure change from high (in the bbl) to low pressure outside.

    Suppressor only reduce this noise and not the sonic crack. If your bullet is traveling over 1000 fps you will still get a cracking noise.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,527 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good read.. Long.. Pay attention to the end where knives kill more than guns..[:)]


    http://wcr.sonoma.edu/v08n2/44.clark/clark.pdf
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  • remingtonoaksremingtonoaks Member Posts: 26,245 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    this could be plausible, but i don't know about probable, if the silencer is made of a design i once saw. i was made of a outer shell of pipe with two with two washers just bigger than the pipe welded on either end. the center was filled with 3 metal screen washers and 1 solid washer, repeated until the silencer was full. needless to say the 2 end and fill washers whole was a little bit larger than the caliber of the gun. the wire washers were the same size of the caliber. theoretically, the wire washers would touch the bullets sides. plausible? possible? to change the ballistics? you decide
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The well made ones I have seen were made of aluminum, had rubber discs seperating the chambers, and used small pieces of aluminum tube as a sound absorbing material.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I posted the statement incorrectly, I used the wrong word, they were saying that it would change the bullet thats what I meant by ballistics. I realize that it will slow the bullet down, but I had never heard before that the bullet itself would be different and not be matchable to the gun, thats what they were eluding to.
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  • remingtonoaksremingtonoaks Member Posts: 26,245 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    read my previous post
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    "alluding"

    No charge.

    You're welcome.

    Doug
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I got ya remington, we were posting at the same time.
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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would think the reason they used the silencer would be to silence the shot.
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  • UncleFuddUncleFudd Member Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    txlawdog;
    I have two types of silencer one on my Ruger MK11 with the baffles as described and one on my 10/22 with the tube wrapped with chore girl and fiberglass. Both are very quiet but neither touch or hinder the flight or speed of the bullet in any way. Neither do they remove or alter the "markings" created by the rifelings.
    I know little or nothing about the ones made prior to the mid 70s but from then until now at least those made in the USA were as described.

    Hope this helps.

    UF
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  • frankcastle13frankcastle13 Member Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
    I would think the reason they used the silencer would be to silence the shot.
    A completely valid response.
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  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290 ✭
    edited November -1
    I'm thinking that a homemade "can" that allows contact with the bullet wouldn't stay on the gun very long.
    The entire argument is specious; if the intent were to re-mark the bullet in such a way as to change it's appearance to a Forensic Investigator's trained eye to appear to be from another gun, why not just change the barrel and run a load of buckshot through it?
    It's like the old, "potato on a revolver" crap you see on late night TV.
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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just showed the same thing on NCIS They stated that it added markings.


    What also Pissed me off was they picked up a .223 shell. 1st thing out of their mouth Assault Rifle.
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  • Spc FergusonSpc Ferguson Member Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dnelson457
    Just showed the same thing on NCIS They stated that it added markings.


    What also Pissed me off was they picked up a .223 shell. 1st thing out of their mouth Assault Rifle.

    haha gets old dont it.
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