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Removing Rebel flag won?t solve problem of racism
kimi
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Something more for the "followers" of those race hustlers who line their pockets and fill their bank accounts with money, to chew on, in hope that will begin to see these hustlers for what they are, so that they might sow peace and harmony instead of hate and discontent in their daily lives.
http://www.parispi.net/opinion/columns/article_55ccb670-18f8-11e5-96c1-d3af8e028401.html
Removing Rebel flag won't solve problem of racism
CHRISTINE BARR | 0 comments
I am constantly amazed by the lack of logic exhibited by those who would take complex situations and chose to solve them by a simple, yet illogical, means.
The latest demonstration of this is those who are taking the tragedy in Charleston and warping it to make it about the Confederate flag. [See today's editorial.]
It seems there is quite a hue and cry for those who believe that by taking down the flag, racism will be solved. Ta-da! Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
I guess it makes sense that those who would take the multitude of factors which lead to the War Between the States and boil it down to slavery would make the leap to solving violence and racism by taking down a symbol which they show no understanding of, or knowledge of history.
It is so very frustrating to see people use emotions to tackle problems.
There are those who have made tidy sums by waving the Confederate States of America (CSA) banner and riling up its opponents.
I've stated before why objectively the flags of the Confederacy are no more racist than the Star Spangled Banner. Those who object to it rely on a series of what I must regard as deliberately untrue canards.
First, those who object to say it is a symbol of slavery. This is based on the lack of knowledge of the cold, hard objective facts.
It is a fact that slaves were brought to this country on ships flying the flag of the United States of America.
You need only go to Newport and see the "cottages" built for those Yankees who made their fortunes with the slave trade - or New York, or Philadelphia.
It is a fact that slavery was outlawed in the CSA states long before it was illegal in the four Union slates where it continued legally throughout and after the war.
It is a fact that racist groups who used the flags of the Confederacy also used the U.S. flag. If the CSA flags are thus to be regarded as racist because of their association, so must the U.S. flag.
Heritage groups which use the flag are not, contrary to what the media would like to have us believe, inherently racist.
You should judge them by their actions, which demonstrably show that they are indeed committed to honoring their ancestors in the defense of the U.S. Constitution.
But where is the drama in that? How can groups solicit funds without having an emotional, Pavlovian response to the CSA flags?
If you think that removing the flag in South Carolina will magically erase racism, I want some of whatever you are taking.
Does racism only exist in the former Confederacy? Really?
Once again, making the South a whipping boy for racism may make others feel secure and smugly superior, but it does nothing - nothing - to address the root causes of racism.
Every Southern heritage warrior I know condemns the actions of the vile shooter in South Carolina, and mourns the deaths of the innocent people gathered in a church.
Depayne Middletown Doctor, Cynthia Hurd, Susie Jackson, Ethel Lance, the Rev. Clementa Picknery, Tywanza Sanders, the Rev. Dr. Daniel Simmons Sr., Sharonda Coleman-Singleton and Myra Thompson deserve more than to be used to elicit an emotional response to advance an agenda of hate. Yes, hate.
The vile rhetoric we see directed towards the South from the 19th century until today is misdirected.
Racism will not be solved by taking down a flag. Take down every semblance of the Confederacy and still I can guarantee racism will exist.
Look in every state - every state, even those of the "virtuous" North - and I guarantee you will find racism.
It will take more than the hollow action of taking down a symbol to combat it, and those who alienate those who have much to contribute to the serious discussions which need to take place in order to really, really combat the evils of racism contribute to its continuation.
The flag issue is a fine distraction. Concentrate on that, and you can ignore 100 other aspects of the issue.
Flog away at those who dare to respect their ancestors' struggle to defend the Constitution, and you can raise money and ire, whipping clueless sheep into a frenzy and distracting them from real issues requiring real solutions.
Make an entire people the enemy, and you can ensure your side can feel smugly superior while doing nothing of any lasting influence.
Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Texas could be restricted from issuing license plates bearing the Sons of Confederate Veterans' logo, which includes a representation of a CSA battle flag.
I wonder if all those celebrating it will be as happy when they find states restricting their pet projects' plates.
Mark my words, the first time a pro-abortion group finds the state refusing to issue plates for them, they'll be wailing and gnashing teeth.
But those who realize that free speech has long ago ceased to exist will simply say, "Told you so."
http://www.parispi.net/opinion/columns/article_55ccb670-18f8-11e5-96c1-d3af8e028401.html
Removing Rebel flag won't solve problem of racism
CHRISTINE BARR | 0 comments
I am constantly amazed by the lack of logic exhibited by those who would take complex situations and chose to solve them by a simple, yet illogical, means.
The latest demonstration of this is those who are taking the tragedy in Charleston and warping it to make it about the Confederate flag. [See today's editorial.]
It seems there is quite a hue and cry for those who believe that by taking down the flag, racism will be solved. Ta-da! Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
I guess it makes sense that those who would take the multitude of factors which lead to the War Between the States and boil it down to slavery would make the leap to solving violence and racism by taking down a symbol which they show no understanding of, or knowledge of history.
It is so very frustrating to see people use emotions to tackle problems.
There are those who have made tidy sums by waving the Confederate States of America (CSA) banner and riling up its opponents.
I've stated before why objectively the flags of the Confederacy are no more racist than the Star Spangled Banner. Those who object to it rely on a series of what I must regard as deliberately untrue canards.
First, those who object to say it is a symbol of slavery. This is based on the lack of knowledge of the cold, hard objective facts.
It is a fact that slaves were brought to this country on ships flying the flag of the United States of America.
You need only go to Newport and see the "cottages" built for those Yankees who made their fortunes with the slave trade - or New York, or Philadelphia.
It is a fact that slavery was outlawed in the CSA states long before it was illegal in the four Union slates where it continued legally throughout and after the war.
It is a fact that racist groups who used the flags of the Confederacy also used the U.S. flag. If the CSA flags are thus to be regarded as racist because of their association, so must the U.S. flag.
Heritage groups which use the flag are not, contrary to what the media would like to have us believe, inherently racist.
You should judge them by their actions, which demonstrably show that they are indeed committed to honoring their ancestors in the defense of the U.S. Constitution.
But where is the drama in that? How can groups solicit funds without having an emotional, Pavlovian response to the CSA flags?
If you think that removing the flag in South Carolina will magically erase racism, I want some of whatever you are taking.
Does racism only exist in the former Confederacy? Really?
Once again, making the South a whipping boy for racism may make others feel secure and smugly superior, but it does nothing - nothing - to address the root causes of racism.
Every Southern heritage warrior I know condemns the actions of the vile shooter in South Carolina, and mourns the deaths of the innocent people gathered in a church.
Depayne Middletown Doctor, Cynthia Hurd, Susie Jackson, Ethel Lance, the Rev. Clementa Picknery, Tywanza Sanders, the Rev. Dr. Daniel Simmons Sr., Sharonda Coleman-Singleton and Myra Thompson deserve more than to be used to elicit an emotional response to advance an agenda of hate. Yes, hate.
The vile rhetoric we see directed towards the South from the 19th century until today is misdirected.
Racism will not be solved by taking down a flag. Take down every semblance of the Confederacy and still I can guarantee racism will exist.
Look in every state - every state, even those of the "virtuous" North - and I guarantee you will find racism.
It will take more than the hollow action of taking down a symbol to combat it, and those who alienate those who have much to contribute to the serious discussions which need to take place in order to really, really combat the evils of racism contribute to its continuation.
The flag issue is a fine distraction. Concentrate on that, and you can ignore 100 other aspects of the issue.
Flog away at those who dare to respect their ancestors' struggle to defend the Constitution, and you can raise money and ire, whipping clueless sheep into a frenzy and distracting them from real issues requiring real solutions.
Make an entire people the enemy, and you can ensure your side can feel smugly superior while doing nothing of any lasting influence.
Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Texas could be restricted from issuing license plates bearing the Sons of Confederate Veterans' logo, which includes a representation of a CSA battle flag.
I wonder if all those celebrating it will be as happy when they find states restricting their pet projects' plates.
Mark my words, the first time a pro-abortion group finds the state refusing to issue plates for them, they'll be wailing and gnashing teeth.
But those who realize that free speech has long ago ceased to exist will simply say, "Told you so."
What's next?
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Thank you for the article.
You're very welcome, David.
easily guided by intellegent & charismatic leaders with evil agendas.
just give em a suggestion w/o giving direct orders and point them in the direction of those you wish to harm or destroy.
political or religious,,, cults are all the same.
there has only been one "cult" where its followers are asked to do good by its ORIGINAL leader AND has lasted to this day. and it has been in so many cases buzzardized by subsequent leaders.
not all or many for that matter, but enough to keep so many good people from accepting
Him.
"evil minds that plot destruction, soccerers of deaths construction"
"Saten's laughing spreads his wings, OH YEAH" ............ [}:)]
OZZY
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
It is still a battle flag, but in a new battle.
The plain fact is that whatever the rebel battle flag represented before, it now genuinely IS a symbol of hate. It's a visible symbol that there are some who hate the US, who hate what the country stands for, and who hate everyone who stands in the way of their secret agenda to destroy this country's heritage and replace it with socialistic oppression and tyrannical repression.
It is still a battle flag, but in a new battle.
This very poignant statement will be totally lost upon those that are currently doing the hating.
The OP is stating the obvious. The current cry for the removal and/or destruction of anything having to do with the Southern Rebellion is raising tensions, not reducing them.
To believe this is not by design is ignorant. Those that are pushing for the removal and/or destruction are deliberately expanding the racial; something that has been tacitly encouraged if not (IMO) directed by the current administration.
The end goal is power, perhaps money, but it is has nothing to do with solving any existing problems.
Brad Steele
Liberals and their followers don't want the truth; they want instant "feel good we fixed it" actions that do nothing.
Liberals don't give a damn about anything as long as you give them free stuff. They'll vote for the devil himself if he promises to keep their checks rolling in.
The plain fact is that whatever the rebel battle flag represented before, it now genuinely IS a symbol of hate. It's a visible symbol that there are some who hate the US, who hate what the country stands for, and who hate everyone who stands in the way of their secret agenda to destroy this country's heritage and replace it with socialistic oppression and tyrannical repression.
It is still a battle flag, but in a new battle.
It's good to have a flag that stands against hate.
.....same reson the "dope" laws will never be changed..there is no money in eliminating dope crime...What will the Judges and Lawyers do?..Race baiting has become big business since the "Great Society" came in place...
Exactlty. They were perfectly content when the government was bringing in settlers hand over fist and settling Indian territory, obviously then, they get along famously with politicians and other radicals.
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
--Saul Alinsky
The Gadsden flag comes to mind, as does the "Come And Take It" flag from Gonzalez, Texas.
Confederates were not rebels.
quote:Originally posted by M1A762
Liberals and their followers don't want the truth; they want instant "feel good we fixed it" actions that do nothing.
Liberals don't give a damn about anything as long as you give them free stuff. They'll vote for the devil himself if he promises to keep their checks rolling in.
They did...twice.
...
Confederates were not rebels.
Have never heard anyone state this before, Mr. Nunn.
The Confederate states individually issued thier declarations of cause for secession from the U.S., similar in concept to the Declaration of Independence.
Neither Kings George the Third or Abraham the First accepted the declarations, and therefore those that issued said declarations were almost by definition in rebellion against their previous government.
One can say the Abraham the First was out of line and operating outside the Constitution he had pledged to uphold, but I don't see how that changes the fact that the War was anything but a War of Southern Rebellion.
Brad Steele
Texas Governor Greg Abbott should have been able to settle the license plate issue without it going to court. If I'm not mistaken the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles is under the Executive Branch. All he had to do was say "do it". For whatever reason, he didn't.
Don't think that this is just a rally flag for Southerners. There are plenty of us, up north, that get it.
But apparently I was mistaken. It seems black people have no chance to succeed in America. Worse, it seems white people are specifically to blame for black people failing. White people keep them down, somehow. They say it's a conspiracy and white people work together to discriminate against black people.
Somehow I missed that memo. Nobody ever invited to a meeting of white people on how to keep black people from succeeding.
But I have to wonder, do whites cause blacks to have the highest drop out rate? (http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16) Is it whites who cause blacvks to commit the most violent felonies? (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=14864) Is it white people to force unwed black women to get pregnant and have babies out of wedlock nearly insuring poverty and underachievement? (http://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/75_fig1.jpg) Is the institution of slavery that ended 150 years ago really to blame for the failure of so many black people as they insist? Or could it be that failing blacks are their own worst enemies and just want to blame others for problems mostly brought upon themselves?
Too old to live...too young to die...
When affirmative action was explained to me as part of a group, I said "yeah, that sounds OK. I can support that". Little did I know at the time I would be burned twice by affirmative action. Now that I know what affirmative action is my answer would have to be "Hell no, I can't support an unrighteous program like that".
I guess I was living in another world. I really didn't realize until recently just how awful and terrible it for black people in this country. I thought they enjoyed the same rights and opportunities as any one else, and may even a little extra here and there with affirmative action, government programs to help low income and minorities, welfare and food stamps of which so many black people seem tp partake of quite liberally, etc.
But apparently I was mistaken. It seems black people have no chance to succeed in America. Worse, it seems white people are specifically to blame for black people failing. White people keep them down, somehow. They say it's a conspiracy and white people work together to discriminate against black people.
Somehow I missed that memo. Nobody ever invited to a meeting of white people on how to keep black people from succeeding.
But I have to wonder, do whites cause blacks to have the highest drop out rate? (http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16) Is it whites who cause blacvks to commit the most violent felonies? (http://americanfreepress.net/?p=14864) Is it white people to force unwed black women to get pregnant and have babies out of wedlock nearly insuring poverty and underachievement? (http://www.childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/75_fig1.jpg) Is the institution of slavery that ended 150 years ago really to blame for the failure of so many black people as they insist? Or could it be that failing blacks are their own worst enemies and just want to blame others for problems mostly brought upon themselves?
It is called "Self Inflicted Wounds". They do it to themselves, but blame everyone BUT themselves. Until they accept responsibility for THEIR OWN failures, they will never get out of the cycle.
Personally, I want folks to succeed, but on their own merit.
What the heck is a "rebel flag?"
The Gadsden flag comes to mind, as does the "Come And Take It" flag from Gonzalez, Texas.
Confederates were not rebels.
Exactly. Check out this story in yesterday's Seattle Times. We have to put up with this sort of journalism like clockwork - like who cares for poor white people, southerners of Confederate heritage or not:
Race relations are bad and will only get better when we deal with issues based on history grounded in truth, not myth.
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Most people agree on one important point regarding race in America, and that is relations are bad. We can make the situation better, but to do that we'd have to share a common and accurate understanding of where we are and how we got here.
A New York Times/CBS poll published last week showed a huge increase over the past year in the percentage (now 60 percent) of Americans who say race relations are bad.
The poll was taken a month after the massacre of nine people in a Charleston, S.C., church by a white supremacist. And it follows a year of news about police confrontations with black people around the country. The coverage in both cases has made more people pay attention to racial issues.
The Charleston killings led to the removal of a Confederate battle flag from the state Capitol. In the poll, 57 percent of white people said the flag stands for Southern pride, while 68 percent of black people see it as a symbol of racism.
In the years after Reconstruction ended, white Southerners reasserted their dominance over black Southerners, changing laws to disadvantage black people, erecting statues and monuments to rebels, and naming streets and buildings for them. As the civil-rights movement began, some states adopted the Confederate battle flag as an obvious symbol of where they stood on the issue of equal rights for black Americans.
In the news stories about the flag removal, again and again history gets distorted, with some defenders of the flag still maintaining the war was not about slavery, and even claiming it was simply about northern aggression. And generally they ignore the modern uses of the flag.
And in all those police encounters, there is a lack of awareness of a long history of police violence against black people. I was warned to be wary of the police when I was a child, and that was a long time ago. Violent encounters happen again and again every year, but for some people it is all new. Videos have made it real and have gotten mainstream media to pay attention finally, but they haven't convinced everyone that anything wrong is happening.
In every area of American life, there are racial disparities in the way people are treated and in their life outcomes, with the greatest disadvantages usually accruing to black Americans.
The people who founded and shaped this country decided to make race a fundamental part of a social order based on white-male primacy. We have to acknowledge at least that much before we can untie the knots binding us to that past.
We all know that Native Americans were pushed out of the way, then put on reservations; that black men, women and children were harnessed to provide free or cheap labor for most of the country's existence. We know that the U.S. took Mexican land and exploited, still exploits, labor from south of the border while often disparaging the people who provide it.
Yes, that's so bad, it's no wonder the country doesn't delve much into the details and often paints it over with explanatory myths. Slavery wasn't that bad, and anyway slave owners didn't know any better. False.
The Mexicans attacked the Alamo; what were the folks inside going to do? Um, the Alamo was in whose country?
Like most Americans, I got through college with mostly a surface knowledge of American history, dates and names, but very little truth about whys and hows. I had to read and learn on my own, and I'm still learning things that should be part of a well-rounded education.
And the more I learned about black history, the more I wanted to learn about Latino, Asian-American, Irish-American and Native American history because they are keys to understanding the United States in its entirety.
This month historian Quintard Taylor Jr. got a national award from the National Education Association for a website he created at the University of Washington, BlackPast.org, a resource for anyone researching African-American or African history.
In his acceptance speech, he said the nation is in the midst of a racial crisis that can only be addressed by knowledge. He aspires to have every U.S. classroom use the resource. "If we learn about each other, we will respect each other," he said.
Arguing from disparate personal experiences without factual context won't move us forward. A broader, more accurate grasp of history would be a good starting point.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/knowledge-can-help-dispel-racial-myths/
...black people?
To those who so stridently demand that we must eradicate the Confederate battle flag, and Civil War memorials, and any number of other things because they are hated reminders of slavery, may I point out that the number 1, all-time best reminder of slavery n the country is...
...black people?
They are not pure black anymore and have co-mingle with other races.Even William Shockley would have to agreed that they are now intelligent same sapiens.
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