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Ventura Wins Lawsuit
p3skyking
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Frankly I'm glad. Ventura has always been a straight shooter.
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-awards-ventura-1-8m-defamation-case-182537219.html
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-awards-ventura-1-8m-defamation-case-182537219.html
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He must feel very proud winning a lawsuit against the widow of a real hero who couldn't defend himself. [:(!]
Agreed. It doesn't get much lower than suing a dead guys wife.
Ventura has every right to protect his name from defamation, and it is irrelevant if the defamer is an "American hero" or that his wife is a widow, a rich widow at that from that book deal, that in part came out of the exposure he received for defaming Ventura.
Pursuing the lawsuit, IMO, damaged his character more than did anything Kyle stated.
Brad Steele
He must feel very proud winning a lawsuit against the widow of a real hero who couldn't defend himself. [:(!]
As apposed to a fellow NAVY SEAL accusing you of making comments about NAVY SEALs "deserve to lose a few." I suppose Ventura should have just allowed this man to trash his reputation? Ventura wasn't the cause of Kyle's death, so why should Ventura suffer the brunt of a lie? Ventura sweated, risked his life, and bled for this country too.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
He must feel very proud winning a lawsuit against the widow of a real hero who couldn't defend himself. [:(!]
As apposed to a fellow NAVY SEAL accusing you of making comments about NAVY SEALs "deserve to lose a few." I suppose Ventura should have just allowed this man to trash his reputation? Ventura wasn't the cause of Kyle's death, so why should Ventura suffer the brunt of a lie? Ventura sweated, risked his life, and bled for this country too.
And he didn't lie about anything. That's what the "Stolen Valor" guys do.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Did any witnesses testify for Kyle ? I've seen a few on T.V that stated he (Kyle) did slap Ventura [:0]..........Hell, I don't know who/what to believe but believe suing a widow is wrong [:(!], suing an estate is a different matter.
Legal experts had said Ventura, a former Navy SEAL, had to clear a high legal bar to win, since as a public figure he had to prove actual malice. According to the jury instructions, Ventura had to prove with "clear and convincing evidence" that Kyle either knew or believed what he wrote was untrue, or that he harbored serious doubts about its truth.
Neither Ventura nor Kyle's widow, Taya Kyle, who is the executor of his estate, were on hand for the verdict.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_26235934/jury-again-tries-verdict-ventura-libel-case
It would seem to me that had any believable witness come forward and testified to hearing Ventura make those statements, or saw Kyle and Ventura have a physical altercation then Ventura would not have won his lawsuit. I would expect that if Kyle was such a hell of a guy, that all the SEALs present would have been lining up, begging to testify on Kyle's behalf.
I am not a Ventura fan, but I am a fan of a man being able to defend his reputation, and Ventura took appropriate action. He alleged that Kyle had committed a tort against him, he filed a civil case, brought his evidence before a jury and he proved his case. Kyle had an opportunity before his untimely death to acknowledge and apologize for defaming Ventura, and he didn't, so too his widow had an opportunity to acknowledge her husband's error.
He must feel very proud winning a lawsuit against the widow of a real hero who couldn't defend himself. [:(!]
If there is anything low down here it is lying and saying a man who served his country honorably said such a thing.
It is HARD to win a libel judgment. The standard of proof is very high. Kyle lied and Ventura finally has vindication. Good for him.
IIRC there were 11 witnesses for the defense.
Still just 11! Don
IIRC there were 11 witnesses for the defense.
Apparently they weren't very good witnesses. [;)]
There are no words.[V]
IIRC there were 11 witnesses for the defense.
Apparently they couldn't keep the story straight and fell apart under cross examination............all 11 of them [:(!].
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Given a chance to find against a Navy Seal, and for someone who made an anti-military comment such as the one Ventura is alleged to have made, and you will get the verdict just announced.
Not surprising for those of us who live near that crap hole city.
You are talking about a jury in Portland Oregon. Also known as Little Beirut on the Willamette.
Given a chance to find against a Navy Seal, and for someone who made an anti-military comment such as the one Ventura is alleged to have made, and you will get the verdict just announced.
Not surprising for those of us who live near that crap hole city.
People say the same thing in just about every city.
As apposed to a fellow NAVY SEAL...
Ventura sweated, risked his life, and bled for this country too.
Ventura was never authorized to wear a SEAL trident.
He was in UDT, which itself is worthy of respect, but left the Navy years before they were dissolved and members received further training in order to be absorbed into the SEALs.
He allows himself to be painted as a VN vet without offering correction, but he in fact never entered a combat zone.
You want to take money from the wife and children of a fellow SEAL ...because you got *-slapped?
There are no words.[V]
Yes.
There are words.
The incident never happened.
There were two SEALS involved. One said it happened. The other claimed to be out of the country during the time it was claimed to have happened.
Then, the one who lied, died.
In the recent lawsuit, the GOV proved that the liar lied, but also (since the GOV is a public figure) the liar KNEW he was lying when he published the lie. And intended to cause harm to the GOV.
Thats the whole MALICE thing.
Training doesn't make you honest or honorable. Character does.
I don't know what financial shape this guys widow is in, but she doesn't get to live off of the profits made by trashing someone else's reputation.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
He must feel very proud winning a lawsuit against the widow of a real hero who couldn't defend himself. [:(!]
If there is anything low down here it is lying and saying a man who served his country honorably said such a thing.
It is HARD to win a libel judgment. The standard of proof is very high. Kyle lied and Ventura finally has vindication. Good for him.
Not to pick, but there was no 'libel' judgment against the defendant. The defendant is dead. This was not a criminal trial for libel, rather a civil suit for damages due to hurt feelers resulting in severe and debilitating boo-boo lip.
The standard of proof in a civil suit is much lower than in a criminal trial.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
You are talking about a jury in Portland Oregon. Also known as Little Beirut on the Willamette.
Given a chance to find against a Navy Seal, and for someone who made an anti-military comment such as the one Ventura is alleged to have made, and you will get the verdict just announced.
Not surprising for those of us who live near that crap hole city.
People say the same thing in just about every city.
And in most city's they would be exaggerating. Not here.
quote:Originally posted by Queen of Swords
You want to take money from the wife and children of a fellow SEAL ...because you got *-slapped?
There are no words.[V]
Yes.
There are words.
The incident never happened.
There were two SEALS involved. One said it happened. The other claimed to be out of the country during the time it was claimed to have happened.
Then, the one who lied, died.
In the recent lawsuit, the GOV proved that the liar lied, but also (since the GOV is a public figure) the liar KNEW he was lying when he published the lie. And intended to cause harm to the GOV.
Thats the whole MALICE thing.
Training doesn't make you honest or honorable. Character does.
Well, if it makes Ace, I mean Jesse Ventura feel better about his manhood to exploit a widow and her children, then I guess it's alright.
It appears some hold a grudge against Ventura out of proportion of this suit. If that's the case, be honest about with at least yourself.
The man proved his case and was vindicated. Simple as that.
Well, good for him! He is vindicated! Whohoo !
I believe he is buying the drinks tonight also. Don
quote:Originally posted by Queen of Swords
Well, good for him! He is vindicated! Whohoo !
I believe he is buying the drinks tonight also. Don
On Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
"Exploit a window?" Really? Isn't it the other way around? Hasn't it been proven that the windows late husband exploited Ventura? Why should the widow profit from someone else's wrongdoing?
Window? Really? Don
To me the term "Stolen Valor" comes to mind.
As for this case, well me nor anyone here on this forum know for certain. So Ventura won in court. That doesn't necessary mean his side of the story was the truth. Our court system is so flawed it is pathetic.
"Exploit a window?" Really? Isn't it the other way around? Hasn't it been proven that the windows late husband exploited Ventura? Why should the widow profit from someone else's wrongdoing?
Because he's dead. Unless you can prove she was equally at fault.
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
"Exploit a window?" Really? Isn't it the other way around? Hasn't it been proven that the windows late husband exploited Ventura? Why should the widow profit from someone else's wrongdoing?
Because he's dead. Unless you can prove she was equally at fault.
WTH?
Are they friends of yours? Or are you basing this purely upon their gender?
Seriously...
Do you think Bernie Madoff's wife should get to keep the cash as well?
Sure, he's not dead. But if he killed himself? Then you'd be ok with it? Or if someone else in prison offed him. Then its all ok?
The rationale for your position evades me.
The rationale for your position evades me.
Well, she's a woman! Don
quote:Originally posted by Queen of Swords
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
"Exploit a window?" Really? Isn't it the other way around? Hasn't it been proven that the windows late husband exploited Ventura? Why should the widow profit from someone else's wrongdoing?
Because he's dead. Unless you can prove she was equally at fault.
WTH?
Are they friends of yours? Or are you basing this purely upon their gender?
Seriously...
Do you think Bernie Madoff's wife should get to keep the cash as well?
Sure, he's not dead. But if he killed himself? Then you'd be ok with it? Or if someone else in prison offed him. Then its all ok?
The rationale for your position evades me.
That is a ridiculous comparison. Kyle's wife didn't literally steal millions from Ventura.
Prove it.
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by Queen of Swords
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
"Exploit a window?" Really? Isn't it the other way around? Hasn't it been proven that the windows late husband exploited Ventura? Why should the widow profit from someone else's wrongdoing?
Because he's dead. Unless you can prove she was equally at fault.
WTH?
Are they friends of yours? Or are you basing this purely upon their gender?
Seriously...
Do you think Bernie Madoff's wife should get to keep the cash as well?
Sure, he's not dead. But if he killed himself? Then you'd be ok with it? Or if someone else in prison offed him. Then its all ok?
The rationale for your position evades me.
That is a ridiculous comparison. Kyle didn't literally steal millions from Ventura. That was a speculative figure.
If someone knowingly damages you with a lie then they have to pay. That is our law.
Uhhh....They just proved the case for the damages in a court of law. Did you miss that?