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Remember when we had junkies and drug addicts?
JamesRK
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Now they are patients suffering with substance abuse disorders.
The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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as a kid about 16 or so a co-worker had a job at the Wagner foundry ( the famous skillet cast iron here in Sidney ) any way got hired to cut there grass around the building . told every one he was the exterior maintance engineer in charge of the company grounds
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Shut up or I'll claim disability!
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"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Now they are patients suffering with substance abuse disorders.
It's all a matter of avoiding responsibility. Lenny Bruce OD'd, so did Janice Joplin. Belushi died from a Speedball, River Phoenix OD'd. Now it's called "mixed drug toxicity".
The absence of responsibility means the absence of stigma. People get to do whatever they want and it's OK, whatever bad happens isn't their fault. And before someone says I'm judging, no I'm not - I'm being judgmental.
Drugs and alcohol abuse is an addiction and not a desease. The word desease is used to fund the industry of treatment.
Nothing the matter with spending money on treatment in my opinion. It has at least some success rate and compared to the cost of the so called "War on Drugs" it is "petty" change.
Story behind my opinion: I divorced my wife as she was an alcholic and drug addict. Her behavior as a result of that and ?, was bad , and attempts at treatment failed multiple times. (she simply did not want to stop)
In 2002 I had a surgery to re-wire my sternum after it did not heal normaly from a bypass surgery done three months before. During this surgery they ruptured three discs in my upper back and put me in pain like you never want to dream about, let alone experience.
I was put on heavy pain medication and spent almost 4 weeks in the hospital. When I was released I was still on 240mg of oxycoten/oxycoden a day.
Shortly after ,when I started to tapper off on the drugs I went into severe withdrawl. Again, nothing ,and I do mean nothing, you want to experience.
After a two month battle to try to get completely off these drugs, I checked into a detox center for help. Within a week I was able to get detoxed well enough to return home. It took another 6 to 8 weeks to feel like normal again.
MY POINT: Once you are addicted you have to want to stop. You also, in most cases need at least some help to detox you from the drugs. Going cold turkey is a ride thru hell and also keeps many addicts from stopping ,rather than taking that ride with no help.
I can not speak for alcohol addiction as I have not ever been addicted to it.
We all know the cost and the results of the "War on Drugs". It is a failure . Perhaps its time to legalize drugs and tax them . Then spend our money we presently waste on jail time, and chasing down the criminals that are getting wealthy off our drug war. Mix it with the tax money and see what treatment can accomplish. That is not to decriminalize other behaviors. Just like we now have legal alcohol , and make it a crime to drink and drive. We could do the same for other addictive substances.
(Just my opinion folks - come up with something better , but don't try to convince me that what we do today is the answer), and don't try to convince me that everyone with an addiction is no good. Lead, follow of get out of the way , but give all at least one chance when they are ready to quit.
Don't take my word for it, just pay attention to what you observe in main stream media to include Hollywood, prime time TV, or listening to pop music.
Brad Steele
Here is my take for what it is worth.
Drugs and alcohol abuse is an addiction and not a desease. The word desease is used to fund the industry of treatment.
Nothing the matter with spending money on treatment in my opinion. It has at least some success rate and compared to the cost of the so called "War on Drugs" it is "petty" change.
Story behind my opinion: I divorced my wife as she was an alcholic and drug addict. Her behavior as a result of that and ?, was bad , and attempts at treatment failed multiple times. (she simply did not want to stop)
In 2002 I had a surgery to re-wire my sternum after it did not heal normaly from a bypass surgery done three months before. During this surgery they ruptured three discs in my upper back and put me in pain like you never want to dream about, let alone experience.
I was put on heavy pain medication and spent almost 4 weeks in the hospital. When I was released I was still on 240mg of oxycoten/oxycoden a day.
Shortly after ,when I started to tapper off on the drugs I went into severe withdrawl. Again, nothing ,and I do mean nothing, you want to experience.
After a two month battle to try to get completely off these drugs, I checked into a detox center for help. Within a week I was able to get detoxed well enough to return home. It took another 6 to 8 weeks to feel like normal again.
MY POINT: Once you are addicted you have to want to stop. You also, in most cases need at least some help to detox you from the drugs. Going cold turkey is a ride thru hell and also keeps many addicts from stopping ,rather than taking that ride with no help.
I can not speak for alcohol addiction as I have not ever been addicted to it.
We all know the cost and the results of the "War on Drugs". It is a failure . Perhaps its time to legalize drugs and tax them . Then spend our money we presently waste on jail time, and chasing down the criminals that are getting wealthy off our drug war. Mix it with the tax money and see what treatment can accomplish. That is not to decriminalize other behaviors. Just like we now have legal alcohol , and make it a crime to drink and drive. We could do the same for other addictive substances.
(Just my opinion folks - come up with something better , but don't try to convince me that what we do today is the answer), and don't try to convince me that everyone with an addiction is no good. Lead, follow of get out of the way , but give all at least one chance when they are ready to quit.
How do you accomplish something like that?
Simply refusing to engage in the silliness is not working.
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
The redefining of things like this is pandemic and growing exponentially. Can anyone here think of a way to stop the nonsense?
How do you accomplish something like that?
Simply refusing to engage in the silliness is not working.
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I would think calling it pandemic is a good start to solving the problem.[:)]
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
The redefining of things like this is pandemic and growing exponentially. Can anyone here think of a way to stop the nonsense?
How do you accomplish something like that?
Simply refusing to engage in the silliness is not working.
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I would think calling it pandemic is a good start to solving the problem.[:)]
I agree that the first step is to correctly identify the problem, but given the widespread and varied institutions it infects, the panacea is what I seek. Too many have been content to simply be inoculated against its influence. To their detriment, I might add.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain