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Gun fight

penguinpenguin Member Posts: 596
edited January 2017 in General Discussion
Who among you that think they have to carry have ever needed to carry?
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  • AzAfshinAzAfshin Member Posts: 2,985 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    By having needed it, do you mean used it for self defense? Then never. But there have been a couple of situations where my hand did inch that way in case the situation got worse.
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The need to carry is a daily occurrence.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gun fight? Very few people are involved in actual shootouts. The reason is simple, the very presence of a firearm generally makes the "problem" disappear and hurry off in search of a weaker (unarmed) potential victim.

    I had such a situation occur many years ago while stopping my motorcycle at a lonely rest area late at night. The "need" indeed existed and the problem was solved.
  • TfloggerTflogger Member Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Three times I have shown a gun and ran off thugs.
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 10,461 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Gun fight? Very few people are involved in actual shootouts. The reason is simple, the very presence of a firearm generally makes the "problem" disappear and hurry off in search of a weaker (unarmed) potential victim.

    I had such a situation occur many years ago while stopping my motorcycle at a lonely rest area late at night. The "need" indeed existed and the problem was solved.



    Bing, bing, bing. We have a winner. No "fight" is often required after you show someone, you are not going to be a victim.
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never felt a need before, but I sure as hell do now!
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,438 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Who among you that think they have to carry have ever needed to carry?
    I have needed to carry even before it was legal for me to do so. Likewise I have needed to keep a fire extinguisher in my home, a life preserver in my boat, and a lock on my door.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • JunkballerJunkballer Member Posts: 9,305 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Once you've been in combat or been in a shooting situation you'll realize just how important protection/carrying is when you see the results, a lesson never forgotten [;)]. People forget there's many just plain out "mean" people out in the world, they could care less if you were unarmed and will kill you pronto,.....I carry.

    "Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee

  • TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,292 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Many times, had to shoot back on two of those occasions, no fatalities, one wounded.
  • ChrisStreettChrisStreett Member Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...be prepared physically and mentally. Using your head is the best defense. Hope you never need to "go there". I can assure you it is not like on TV or in some stupid video game.
    "...dying ain't much of a living boy"-Josey Wales
  • jerrywh818jerrywh818 Member Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I use to repossess cars. I had some real close calls but only pulled my gun once. I never fired it. The police were called and I came out justified but was warned. Three Mexicans with knives. I told them to get back in the car and stay there. They did. The first cop there gave me a bad time for brandishing a firearm. I asked him if it would be better if I just shot them all. They called the chief and he let me go. The police helped me get the car loaded on a truck.
    I had three other close calls with drug pushers but faked them out. The cops said I was lucky. I like cops. I'm on there side.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes.



    Now, having answered your question, I have one for you.

    Why do you ask?
  • penguinpenguin Member Posts: 596
    edited November -1
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.

    Note I said some and they are hurting themselves and the rest of us.
  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I carry for my own peace of mind and the safety of me and mine.
    I have no need to indicate in any way to anyone that I'm packing.

    There has been only a couple times I did not carry... And wished I had.

    One particular time was not long after 9-11.
    My wife and I were both in a public situation and several potential threats became obvious.
    I quietly mentioned to my wife that I wished I was carrying.
    She responded... "I wish you were carrying too."

    She recognized the situation wasn't ideal and knew that I was not packing.
    We both were nervous and made our way out of the situation as quickly as possible.

    When we're out, my wife feels safe knowing that I'm packing.
    I refuse to be in that situation again and haven't been unarmed since.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.




    I'm not quick to judge, but that sounds like something right out of Brady HQ. Since the original thread clearly stated "who among you" (the members of this forum), I will wager that no one here carries a firearm unless they believe that there is a specific need to protect themselves, or those close to them. Ask anyone who is carrying a gun for self defense and they will tell you that they dream of the day when carrying is not necessary. Sadly, that dream is never likely to occur [:(]
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The only time I recall advertising I was armed was in 1970. I was passing through Greensboro, NC around midnight on an uncommonly dark night. All the streetlights were working but they didn't seem to illuminate anything. That part of Greensboro seemed like a ghost town. It appeared I was the only car on the road. Of course I had to stop for a red light.

    While I was waiting for the light to change an old Ford that looked like it had been in a fire pulled up next to me. There was nothing on the car resembling paint or primer. If I had to guess a color I would say black.

    The front seat passenger made a quarter turn to his right and asked me where I got that pretty sailor suit. I didn't answer him but turned my head to the left and smiled at him.

    He said he was going to look at my "cute * *". Without looking at my Browning 9mm on the seat and without breaking eye contact with the passenger I pointed the Browning at the roof of my car and pulled the slide. I don't know what it sounded like in his car but in my car it reverberated with an echo, just like in the movies. I didn't say anything to him but continued smiling at him.

    He turned full face to his window, raised his hands with his fingers spread wider than I knew fingers would spread. He said "Be cool brother, you a good man brother, be cool brother".

    By this time the back seat passengers started chattering and the driver started to notice what was going on. He dropped the clutch and killed his engine. That is when if I had half good sense I would have continued through Greensboro, but I've never been accused of being smart. I sat there through another light cycle or two until he got his car restarted. This time he peeled rubber making a left turn and showing me some taillights.

    I drew a bead on his trunk and sat there fighting the urge to put a couple of rounds through it. I sat there until he was out of sight. I dropped the magazine from the 9mm, unloaded the chamber and put the round back in the magazine, the magazine back in the 9mm, and returned it to the seat.

    There have been other times I was glad I was armed, but I never had to show it.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.




    I'm not quick to judge, but that sounds like something right out of Brady HQ. Since the original thread clearly stated "who among you" (the members of this forum), I will wager that no one here carries a firearm unless they believe that there is a specific need to protect themselves, or those close to them. Ask anyone who is carrying a gun for self defense and they will tell you that they dream of the day when carrying is not necessary. Sadly, that dream is never likely to occur [:(]


    +1!!!!

    I remember the days when i was a college kid. A pocket knife, lighter, and flashlight were all I ever thought I would need. Sure I had Guns and believes in the true intent of the second ammendment...it's just that I thought I would use my head to keep myself out of bad situations...then some crazy guy shot up my school....killed lots of people he didn't even know....all in broad daylight on campus....that day on I realized a pistol is just like fire insurance. You never know when you may need it.
  • Laredo LeftyLaredo Lefty Member Posts: 13,451 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Having a gun handy is like having a fire extinguisher handy...... You hope you never need it, but if you do you really, really need it.

    I was in the food court at a mall with my wife the other day. The place was packed, probably 200+ people. I commented to her how this place would be an easy target for some ISIS sympathizer with a rifle to attack.

    I carry for any threat. It does not have to be against me or my wife, but any innocent person.


    penguin........ "Who among you that "think" they have to carry"
    You say that like you believe they may be mistaken. Where do you get off questioning their motive as long as they are doing so legally
  • steve45steve45 Member Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just showed a gun and the problem went away
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I know cops that have that attitude and don't carry off duty. They are foolish and just asking to be victims. I prefer to be prepared, to have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it. Then again. I carry all sorts of equipment in my Tahoe that I would bet most of population haven't even thought of. There are wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs. I'm a sheepdog.
  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by AzAfshin
    By having needed it, do you mean used it for self defense? Then never. But there have been a couple of situations where my hand did inch that way in case the situation got worse.


    +1

    Another time fairly reciently a guy got severely angry with me because I hit i little bird with my car( he pulled it out of the grill in a parking lot) and I didn't care I killed it. It ended up being nothing but for a few seconds I wished I was carrying that day.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,209 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin


    Note I said some and they are hurting themselves and the rest of us.
    No, you are hurting the human race, and this forum by your TROLLING posts. CapFun already N/A-ed you once for being a chit stick. He needs to do it again, Sage1
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Leaving the Zoning permitting office downtown walking to my car I had a democrat walk towards me knife on hand so I pulled my piece and didn't have to point it, the scumbag ran away zigzagging faster than most people can run in a straight line.
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • BeeramidBeeramid Member Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.




    I'm not quick to judge, but that sounds like something right out of Brady HQ. Since the original thread clearly stated "who among you" (the members of this forum), I will wager that no one here carries a firearm unless they believe that there is a specific need to protect themselves, or those close to them. Ask anyone who is carrying a gun for self defense and they will tell you that they dream of the day when carrying is not necessary. Sadly, that dream is never likely to occur [:(]


    You're right, it does sound like some brady trolling.
  • penguinpenguin Member Posts: 596
    edited November -1
    You be wrong.

    If you cannot post a legitimate reasonable answer, you are wasting everyone elses time.
  • Wild TurkeyWild Turkey Member Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cool it guys.

    We've all met some folks who feel the need to make up for "shortcomings" (physical or mental) and overcompensate by being loud, obnoxious or just stupid in the choices.

    Time to take a breath and get back to the original topic -- how many of us who carry a firearm have needed that firearm?

    Not me -- yet. But times are changing and I'm looking for a 1911, just in case.
  • texaswildmantexaswildman Member Posts: 2,215 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't carry 24/7 and can't due to work regs. I've needed a gun three times (none during work activities). Once I didn't have it. Twice it saved injury or death to me and my family and only cost the agressors their badass attitudes for the day. The one time I didn't have it handy, I escaped unharmed, but only by absolute shear luck and the grace of God - meaning it wasn't my time....
  • buschmasterbuschmaster Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    how many times has the need for a gun came out of nowhere, when you thought you were in a safe environment and had no need for a gun?

    simply driving around? at a store? even inside your own house?

    happens all the time. read the news, it happens every day.

    therefore, "the unanticipated need for a gun" must allow for the right to carry a gun even when no threats are apparent.

    in other words, you can't tell people they cannot carry a gun because they don't have a need, because the need can and does come out of nowhere.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by penguin


    Note I said some and they are hurting themselves and the rest of us.
    No, you are hurting the human race, and this forum by your TROLLING posts. CapFun already N/A-ed you once for being a chit stick. He needs to do it again, Sage1
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  • Okie743Okie743 Member Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Who among you that think they have to carry have ever needed to carry?
    I have needed to carry even before it was legal for me to do so. Likewise I have needed to keep a fire extinguisher in my home, a life preserver in my boat, and a lock on my door.




    I remember DEMOCRATs in the media saying to it would be better to either throw or discharge a fire extinguisher at an active school shooter as an argument against LEGAL carry at schools.
  • 84Bravo184Bravo1 Member Posts: 10,461 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    You be wrong.

    If you cannot post a legitimate reasonable answer, you are wasting everyone elses time.


    Sorry Penguin.

    It is you who are wasting everyones time.

    Most of your "questions," are beyond absurd.


    Hope I'm not stepping on your toes.


    If so, " I don't care."


    Sound familiar?? It should.
  • ChrisStreettChrisStreett Member Posts: 3,847 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll just give you, for the sake of the topic, a "yes" and "yes". I've paid my dues in spades, don't have to justify myself to anyone.
    "...dying ain't much of a living boy"-Josey Wales
  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Who among you that think they have to carry have ever needed to carry?


    I did and its burned into my memory as the most scary incident in my life. I did not have to shoot, THANK GOD. Chicago Henry Horner Homes area, in the dark while installing an x-ray system at a doctors office. It was in 1979, I was 21 years old then.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.

    Note I said some and they are hurting themselves and the rest of us.


    With some of the idiotic stuff you post I wonder if you are stable enough to even own a gun.....
  • ltcdotyltcdoty Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Carried since I left the police department...If I don't I tilt to one side..
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    we live in a world of freaks and monsters, not rainbows and lollipops , i carry because i live in reality to many examples to list which you probably wouldnt understand


    as far as needed to, yes a few times i have 2 handguns that saved my life, or i probably would not be here to post
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is like insurance. You have it hoping you never actually need to use it.

    Personally I have not been in a movie theater in the past few years, where the possibility did not occur to me.

    Do I yearn for a gunfight? Are you stupid or just being a troll? At my age my reflexes are not likely as good as a young guy, but perhaps I am a better shot. In any event my chances are better with than without.
  • BeeramidBeeramid Member Posts: 7,264 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by penguin
    Because I believe some who carry do so because it makes them feel superior and a week-end cowboy. No real need involved.

    Note I said some and they are hurting themselves and the rest of us.


    Who are they, and what did they do to cause you to feel this way?

    If you cannot post a legitimate reasonable answer, you are wasting everyone elses [sic] time.
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