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another AR question
saserby
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Can I buy just a lower, assembled, but with no grip or stock? Upper with no hand gaurds?
I ask because if I was going to get an AR, I would want to upgrade those items asap, so why buy stuff I don't want. I have not ever seen offerings like that. If I could afford it, I would just buy a gun already assembled like I want, but I can't afford it, and also it's not as much fun.
I'd like to buy a lower with internal parts. Then eventually get an upper, or parts for an upper. Then stock, etc.
Does anyone offer partial builds like that?
I ask because if I was going to get an AR, I would want to upgrade those items asap, so why buy stuff I don't want. I have not ever seen offerings like that. If I could afford it, I would just buy a gun already assembled like I want, but I can't afford it, and also it's not as much fun.
I'd like to buy a lower with internal parts. Then eventually get an upper, or parts for an upper. Then stock, etc.
Does anyone offer partial builds like that?
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I currently have a pre ban sporter hbar that I really love but thought about doing the above mentioned to get another. Thanks.
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Looks cool, but looks like a kinda expensive way to go. I built up a total franken gun with the cheapest parts they had and came to $768 with no hand gaurds, grip, stock or mag.
Am I doing it wrong?[:I]
Apparently. Last one I built was about $575 complete.
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Looks cool, but looks like a kinda expensive way to go. I built up a total franken gun with the cheapest parts they had and came to $768 with no hand gaurds, grip, stock or mag.
Am I doing it wrong?[:I]
Apparently. Last one I built was about $575 complete.
Did you get all your parts from Brownells?
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
quote:Originally posted by saserby
Looks cool, but looks like a kinda expensive way to go. I built up a total franken gun with the cheapest parts they had and came to $768 with no hand gaurds, grip, stock or mag.
Am I doing it wrong?[:I]
Apparently. Last one I built was about $575 complete.
Did you get all your parts from Brownells?
Nope. Gunshows. There is always a dozen tables full of AR parts and no shipping costs.
lower as you asked about, can be bought in parts for 175.00, put together inn 15-20 minutes with no real special tools, roll pin punch if you got it at most
i have built many, all parts had same brand name, 600-650 , and a few above that price
lower as you asked about, can be bought in parts for 175.00, put together inn 15-20 minutes with no real special tools, roll pin punch if you got it at most
What brand do you like to use? I also prefer to have all parts the same. If I was going really high end maybe certain parts would be considered "custom", but I am closer to the other end.
http://www.ar15builder.com/
Look out for the buy button, it has known to get me in the dog house once or twice, (or more), but I had a new gun, in the dog house with me...[:D][:D][:D][:D][}:)][:D]
Hey, that's pretty cool... Besides having to build it yourself at an additional cost... Can't seem to find a way to select caliber though.
look at del-ton and gunbroker.com!
From what I've seen of Delton you can buy a whole gun from them for what the parts cost. Am I wrong?
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i have built many, all parts had same brand name, 600-650 , and a few above that price
lower as you asked about, can be bought in parts for 175.00, put together inn 15-20 minutes with no real special tools, roll pin punch if you got it at most
What brand do you like to use? I also prefer to have all parts the same. If I was going really high end maybe certain parts would be considered "custom", but I am closer to the other end.
dpms, cmmg, stag, and 1 rr
quote:Originally posted by hotshoot
http://www.ar15builder.com/
Look out for the buy button, it has known to get me in the dog house once or twice, (or more), but I had a new gun, in the dog house with me...[:D][:D][:D][:D][}:)][:D]
Hey, that's pretty cool... Besides having to build it yourself at an additional cost... Can't seem to find a way to select caliber though.
I was thinking that also. The cheapest I could get all the parts was over $800. That's not a deal. And that is totally mismatched parts. You can buy a whole gun already put together for that.
quote:Originally posted by saserby
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
i have built many, all parts had same brand name, 600-650 , and a few above that price
lower as you asked about, can be bought in parts for 175.00, put together inn 15-20 minutes with no real special tools, roll pin punch if you got it at most
What brand do you like to use? I also prefer to have all parts the same. If I was going really high end maybe certain parts would be considered "custom", but I am closer to the other end.
dpms, cmmg, stag, and 1 rr
Let me re-phrase. What would you recommend for a newbie to start with to keep in that $6-650 range. I think CMMG is out.
watch for sales, you can get complete uppers for around 400, add 175 for lower less stock , reg folder can be had for 50
http://www.jsesurplus.com/riflekits.aspx
Del Ton and J&T Dist offer options with their rifle kits that allow you to upgrade your stock, grips, barrel, sights, lower parts kits...and the options are priced lower than what you'd pay to buy those upgrades separately. For example, I ordered a 16" rifle kit with a 1 in 7 chrome lined barrel, M4 feed ramps, flip up YHM front sight, badger tac latch, RRA NM 2 stage trigger, Magpul CTR stock, and YHM phantom 5 flash hider for under $600. I doubt you could buy all those options separately for for that price.
And you can add quad rails if that's your thing...I went with Del Ton because J&T didn't offer the RRA NM trigger, and that was a priority for me.
$60 lowers are hard to find these days, but if you search you might get close. I got some PSA(Palmetto State Armory ) lowers back on black Friday for $49 each, $57 with ship, but that's because the FFL didn't charge me anything.
I've put together(I don't like the word "built" since it denotes some amount of design IMHO)several AR rifles and carbines in the $400-500 range that are comparable to most anything on the market under $1K.
You may have missed some good buys on lowers. Palmetto had some around $50 and I bought 5 from R-Guns @$56(?)in December. Unless you're a dedicated target shooter(in which case you wouldn't be going cheap)any milspec lower is suitable. The milspec trigger is usually not too great and is the one option I recommend.
I gotta say that most of those parts don't have a trademark/logo on them. Some of the packages don't even have a name tag on them. Once installed, they're all same-same. Quite possibly all scooped from the same big bin at a subcontractors warehouse.
I've put together(I don't like the word "built" since it denotes some amount of design IMHO)several AR rifles and carbines in the $400-500 range that are comparable to most anything on the market under $1K.
You may have missed some good buys on lowers. Palmetto had some around $50 and I bought 5 from R-Guns @$56(?)in December. Unless you're a dedicated target shooter(in which case you wouldn't be going cheap)any milspec lower is suitable. The milspec trigger is usually not too great and is the one option I recommend.
I thought so also till I saw an Armalite kit in the green box all MIM parts also, But the hammer and trigger were ground where it counts and it does make a difference.
Here's what I'd like. A good, reliable gun with pretty good accuracy that is fun to shoot . By fun, I also mean accurate enough that it's fun, rather than frustrating.
I generally appreciate a good trigger. What do you recomend for a decent 3# ish trigger that's not too expensive?
I have a couple questions for you guys. First, can you explain the benefit of the 2 stage trigger? If I understand right, its a harder pull at first, then "sets" and is a light pull. Better accuracy. Right?
Here's what I'd like. A good, reliable gun with pretty good accuracy that is fun to shoot . By fun, I also mean accurate enough that it's fun, rather than frustrating.
I generally appreciate a good trigger. What do you recomend for a decent 3# ish trigger that's not too expensive?
The only 2-stage trigger I've shot was soft up to a certain point, where it stopped and any further movement could drop the hammer. It is intended to help the shooter make careful, aimed shots by giving a consistent reaction to a trigger fingers movements. It doesn't necessarily make the gun much more accurate on its own, it just helps the user be more consistent. Another aspect of an upgraded trigger pack is lock time (the time it takes to strike the primer after the trigger is tripped) since the gun is moving constantly.
I think you will probably get better accuracy out of better ammo though and recommend that you try something that is not military surplus.
or pay $225 for a dpms lower with the lpk installed.
of course, if you're wanting to build an ar, save the 50 bucks.