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My thought on undocumented aliens.
wiplash
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Illegal Aliens, Undocumented aliens or whatever is correct today.
Growing up in Vegas, I had never seen a wild mouse before. One night while I was watching TV I looked into the Kitchen and saw a cute little Mouse under my Microwave Oven. I showed it to my Girl Friend and kids and it got "Adopted". We called it Micky. We put out chips and cookie crumbs and watched the little critter eat. He was cool!
After awhile he brought in his girlfriend and then had Baby's! AWWW! Then they're baby's had baby's.
Then the problems started. They started pooping and peeing everywhere. They started to chew on everything! at night you could hear them chewing in the walls. I knew then that it was not acceptable! There were too many now and they were starting to do some serious damage! Time to Thin them out.
I bought some Mouse Traps and worked day and night emptying and resetting the traps! At first, Peanut Butter was King but they learned that that would kill them and quit eating it. Then I switched to cheese and after awhile, they learned that it killed them too!
Now the War was on! Dcon! It worked! (Take a Bow Don)[;)]
After years, I finally got them out of the house but they were still in my yard always finding ways to come in when it got too cold/hot or hungry. Did you know that they can chew through concrete?
Then I got my Jack Russell who is relentless on tracking them down in the yard and disposing of them. I no longer have Mickey or any of his Relatives in or around my house They took advantage of a good situation and ruined it for themselves.
They got Evicted.
Growing up in Vegas, I had never seen a wild mouse before. One night while I was watching TV I looked into the Kitchen and saw a cute little Mouse under my Microwave Oven. I showed it to my Girl Friend and kids and it got "Adopted". We called it Micky. We put out chips and cookie crumbs and watched the little critter eat. He was cool!
After awhile he brought in his girlfriend and then had Baby's! AWWW! Then they're baby's had baby's.
Then the problems started. They started pooping and peeing everywhere. They started to chew on everything! at night you could hear them chewing in the walls. I knew then that it was not acceptable! There were too many now and they were starting to do some serious damage! Time to Thin them out.
I bought some Mouse Traps and worked day and night emptying and resetting the traps! At first, Peanut Butter was King but they learned that that would kill them and quit eating it. Then I switched to cheese and after awhile, they learned that it killed them too!
Now the War was on! Dcon! It worked! (Take a Bow Don)[;)]
After years, I finally got them out of the house but they were still in my yard always finding ways to come in when it got too cold/hot or hungry. Did you know that they can chew through concrete?
Then I got my Jack Russell who is relentless on tracking them down in the yard and disposing of them. I no longer have Mickey or any of his Relatives in or around my house They took advantage of a good situation and ruined it for themselves.
They got Evicted.
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NONE of my ancestors swam here.
Every single one who immigrated here legally should RAISE hell regarding illegal aliens.
Fact is any person in our country illegally needs to be dealt with.
Send them home or provide some type of penalty and requirement to legally become citizens.
I will have to read the details but even if you were born here if you got here illegally you should not be a citizen.
Jack Russell = Donald Trump
Or, beefed up Border Patrol. [;)]
We can never expect to deport all of them, but make penalties for hiring them severe enough to deter the practice, have a reliable way to detect them, and when they are detected, ship 'em out.
Build the damn wall, and cut off every cent from going to any US jurisdiction that would protect them.
How long do you think it will take to get rid of 30 million of them?
Do you think they will fight?
Its not so bad to keep a clean house.
Like the analogy the op used of a mouse in the house. We have some vermin among us. We are not going to poison the undocumented. Just send them back to where they came from.
Its not so bad to keep a clean house.
If a mouse dodges a trap, it won't eat from a trap again. Same with poison. As soon as it finds out that it will hurt them, they go somewhere else to eat.
If there is nothing there for them, they will move on.[;)]
Get caught with one illegal employee, a $10,000 fine. Strictly enforced.
Jail, or deportation for any illegal criminal.
The bad ones will be in jail, or Mexico, and the rest will deport themselves.
All of you are over simplifying the problem.
Only if you need complication to keep your argument from collapsing.
All of you are over simplifying the problem.
Actually the solution IS fairly simple and cheap, as has been pointed out to you several times.
Unfortunately you represent the majority of Americans in terms of lacking the spine to do what needs to be done,....therefore it will continue.
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Jack Russell = Donald Trump
Or, beefed up Border Patrol. [;)]
Think the Feds will increase manpower and they will then understand the job they've be told to do by their "bosses",,, IS NOT the job they will do in the future. Who knows, maybe some Militia groups will get time off on their border patrols.
I don't need complication and it is not my argument. There are about 40% of Americans who are not for deportation. The shear numbers make it complicated. There are a lot of things I agree with myself like E-verify and fines for employment and eliminating benefits. We have had fines for employment for years. They haven't been enforced. I don't think it can be done by force without starting a war within the country. There are a lot of complications that most of the guys on this forum either don't know about or are too mad to think about. Some of the Big churches are harboring illegals for one thing. If 40% of the population is unwilling how do you get that 40% to enforce the law. Ignoring all these things for the sake of argument might settle the argument but it doesn't settle the problem.
Too often debates on the internet get to be ego centered. When that happens the object is a matter of who is right in place of what is right. I really don't give a dam who is right if it doesn't contribute to a solution. Some of the guys have good ideas in my opinion.
Make it illegal to hire illegal aliens.
Get caught with one illegal employee, a $10,000 fine. Strictly enforced.
Jail, or deportation for any illegal criminal.
The bad ones will be in jail, or Mexico, and the rest will deport themselves.
I think that was in the law Reagan signed about 86? I think. I know that whenever I had a new applicant I had to fill out a form that said the applicant was a citizen or had some kind of work permit. Seems like I had to do that for several years and then it abruptly stopped.
It should be as you say, but I doubt it ever will be.
That's a dumb * statement. How about telling me what my position is? You don't even know. Simple minded have simple solutions. Nothing is that easy.
Marc1301
That's a dumb * statement. How about telling me what my position is? You don't even know. Simple minded have simple solutions. Nothing is that easy.
You already said you didn't have it in your heart to do what it would take to get rid of them all. Your words not mine, so if you want to call it dumbazz,...fire away.
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Marc1301
That's a dumb * statement. How about telling me what my position is? You don't even know. Simple minded have simple solutions. Nothing is that easy.You already said you didn't have it in your heart to do what it would take to get rid of them all. Your words not mine, so if you want to call it dumbazz,...fire away.It's a losing argument Marc; Glenn Beck wrote a book in that regard! [:D]
Oh, with regard to the thread's title, I believe all Martians should be documented! [;)]
If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!
yet.
This is a 2 step process: first, we have to reinstate our borders & stop folks from sneaking into the country. Once we implement that plan, then we can talk about "a pathway to permanent residence".
Extending the fence (we don't have a wall anywhere) will not solve anything. We need to increase the fine for hiring illegals from a $500 fine to 5 years in federal prison; THAT should encourage employers to verify work status.
Neal
That isn't what i said. Go find it. It isn't there. Your so dead set on starting a fight you can't see what's written.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee. Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.Mar 24, 2015
I have never heard of this being enforced has anyone else?
I doubt if anybody is even checking. This administration more or less invited them in and has no intention of deporting them.
49% of the senate won't go along with deportation so what about that?
Plus some of the republicans won't go for it either.
Still some of you think it's just a simple thing to do. It is almost as bad as the emancipation. Not quite though,I hope.
Do you think Rubio will vote for deporting all the illegals? I doubt it. Trump has good ideas mostly but he's not a dictator and that's good.
I agree with Marc...it is a simple problem. Enforce the laws on the books.
Done.
IRS field agents have targeted employers in the Southwest in the service industries (car washes, agriculture, fast food). Employers who hire IA's must give IRS an annual total of the amount of money paid, & then give IRS a check for the Social Security & Unemployment Compensation. The money goes into the SS & UC funds, but no "credit" goes to the IA's, since they don't have SS numbers. So, you can actually say that they help postpone the bankruptcy date of SS.
Neal
That is good information and the employers do not get prosecuted because of that. It is a cash cow for the politicians who robbed the SS fund. Big farm pays lots of campaign funds for both parties. Neither side really wants anything done. One side wants prospective votes from uninformed voters and the other wants cheap labor for their contributors. Yet many here think it is a simple problem. I wish. Who gets screwed. The American worker. Oh- the schools system is making millions off of the illegals. They get paid pr. student. Do you think the American teachers union has any political pull? They almost control the Democrat party. Is it still a simple problem?
I don't give a good GodD$%n what idiots like her, or any other average idiot thinks or says about it. It is illegal to break into my country without permission. It is illegal to be a non citizen taking my tax money to live free in my country. Why does my tax money have to pay for free education and benefits for them just because they got here illegally?
I want them all the hell out. Whatever it takes. No, I don't give a ph**k what anybody else thinks about that.
Mark1301.
That isn't what i said. Go find it. It isn't there. Your so dead set on starting a fight you can't see what's written.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee. Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.Mar 24, 2015
I have never heard of this being enforced has anyone else?
I doubt if anybody is even checking. This administration more or less invited them in and has no intention of deporting them.
49% of the senate won't go along with deportation so what about that?
Plus some of the republicans won't go for it either.
Still some of you think it's just a simple thing to do. It is almost as bad as the emancipation. Not quite though,I hope.
Do you think Rubio will vote for deporting all the illegals? I doubt it. Trump has good ideas mostly but he's not a dictator and that's good.
Obama set the groundwork for Dictatorship, fortunately the beast lost.