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What would happen

MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
edited February 2011 in General Discussion
I am no financial wizard and far from even a checkbook balancer, but what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?

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  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If we pulled out of South Korea?

    Still have a treaty or mutual defense but just pull out all our forces.
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If men were suppose to catch the wedding bouquet and be next inline to get married
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bimWYHgisAU
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What would happen if the paper that published who had guns and the burglers broke in and thought no one was home and got killed. Then the parents of the thugs would sue and get rich.[:(]

    They would say that the boys were good and the paper gave them the idea. Then Obumer would say that he would be proud to have him for a son. Then the owners would go to jail for killing an upstanding person and not waiting 30 minuets for the police to get there.[xx(]
  • gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The old - The check is in the mail ploy. [:D][:D]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    King Richard the Lionhearted once killed 700 people he owed money too.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
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    Although foreign nations owning US debt gets most of the attention, the bulk of our red ink is right here in the USA. The biggest holder of US government debt is actually The Federal Reserve system of banks and other US intergovernmental holdings and accounts for maybe $6 trillion in US Treasury debt. Individuals, estates, savings bonds holders and corporate and non-corporate businesses own about $1.5 trillion along with a $1 trillion owned by US pension funds. Mutual funds own probably another $1 trillion along with state and local governments. There is probably trillion owned by banks, savings and loans and insurance companies. That is about $10 trillion of or $14 trillion debt and if we don't service it or default on it the Great Depression would have seemed like a small bump in the economy!
  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    to this point our word on things has always been our bond, no matter what other countries may do.I would like to think we would continue as such. Are you perhaps French?
  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    I am no financial wizard and far from even a checkbook balancer, but what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?

    The current federal budget relies on borrowing about 42 cents out of every dollar being spent. Obumnuts proposed budget for next year calls for borrowing 44 cents out of every dollar spent. If the Federal government defaulted on its debt, where would it get the 44 cents out of every dollar it expects to spend?

    If you were managing your own personal expenses by borrowing 44 cents out of every dollar you spend, and you decide to stiff the credit card company, what do you think would happen?
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by woodhog
    to this point our word on things has always been our bond, no matter what other countries may do.I would like to think we would continue as such. Are you perhaps French?

    Born and raised in the USA[:)]
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    I am no financial wizard and far from even a checkbook balancer, but what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?

    The current federal budget relies on borrowing about 42 cents out of every dollar being spent. Obumnuts proposed budget for next year calls for borrowing 44 cents out of every dollar spent. If the Federal government defaulted on its debt, where would it get the 44 cents out of every dollar it expects to spend?

    If you were managing your own personal expenses by borrowing 44 cents out of every dollar you spend, and you decide to stiff the credit card company, what do you think would happen?

    That is beyond my comprehension. Other than my home mortgage, I don't owe a dime to anyone and never have. I've always paid cash... even when I was homeless.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
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    It means that basically half the US economy depends on servicing that debt and failure to do so or defaulting would mean disaster. Imagine all of the old farts winding out the clock until the kick off and who own T-Bills losing their nest egg. Pension plans that will no longer have the ability to pay, banks and savings and loans simply shutting down for good, your life insurance policy now useless, savings bonds which can't be redeemed and of course the money in your pocket totally worthless. That, and a whole lot of other very nasty things, will happen to very ordinary Americans if no one keeps up with payments on the debt.
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
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    Makes sense Mark. I worry about my investments vanishing into thin air. I have another 20 years until I retire.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    I am no financial wizard and far from even a checkbook balancer, but what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?

    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    Makes sense Mark. I worry about my investments vanishing into thin air. I have another 20 years until I retire.

    If you think you don't fully understand it, let me tell you how poor my comprehension is. I still don't understand why the relationship between the Federal Reserve and the United States isn't criminal activity.

    Worrying about your money vanishing into thin air might not be so unreasonable, since that's where it came from.

    Many years ago money was made of precious metals, mostly gold or silver, and was worth its weight. Then for convenience we changed to paper money backed by precious metals, worth what the note said it was worth. Then for reasons no shared with me, we changed to paper money backed by the faith and credit of the United States.

    The way I understand it, now when the United States needs more money they go to the Federal Reserve and ask for a few billion, or now a few trillion. The Federal Reserve can't just print money, they have to have something to back it up. The United States cuts a check in the amount of money they want printed. The Federal Reserve prints the money which becomes part of the debt and trades it for the check. Now the Fed has a check to back up the printed money. What backs up the check? Well, the printed money of course.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hells fire we do have some smart people on here! I damn near gave up finding any!! [:D]
  • militaria1918militaria1918 Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
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    The same thing that happend when Chile cancelled the banker's debt. The Same thing when the American colonists started using their own script. The Same thing when Hitler got off the banking system's debt slavery and printed Marks backed by German labor and freed themselves.

    WAR.

    Some exuse would be found for making America to be something evil and an invasion would result probably by China who is the new emerging superpower. And no superpower exists unless at the pleasure of the banksters.

    But this will never happen because voters are too dubm to vote in anyone who would address the real problem.

    Our future is poverty and slavery.
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
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    I am no financial wizard and far from even a checkbook balancer, but what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?


    Since they own more of our building then we do they'd probably kick us out of our own country.
  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MVP
    what would happen if the US just told their debtors that we do not plan on paying anything? What could they do? kick America out of the world order club?


    Well, the USA's credit worthiness would instantly go to zero, and before too long, the dollar would essentially become worthless.

    Needless to say, this wouldn't really be good for anyone.

    EG: Got money in the bank? Not anymore you don't!
  • wittynbearwittynbear Member Posts: 4,518
    edited November -1
    The US should take in 110% of what it spends. That doesn't mean tax hikes, that means tax cuts and drastic budget, program, and department cuts.
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