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According to a German media site, it is speculated that the 28 year old copilot who crashed a Germanwings flight this week had converted to Islam. Andreas Lubitz had stayed for a time in Bremen, home of the radical mosque, Masjidu-l-Furqan, where he trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School.
Michael Mannheimer of Spiesa.com wrote:
(Translated from German)
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of "radical", ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he - as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York - received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with ?129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, "Islamic Scholars") will agree to assign this an act of a "mentally unstable" man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.
The Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014.
BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) - German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq.
In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007.
Other sources state that Lubvitz may have been suffering from depression as he was dealing with a break-up with his girlfriend, who has yet to be located.
Police have reportedly found an "item of significance" at the apartment of Andreas Lubitz, the First Officer who crashed the Germanwing passenger plane into the Alps. The item was NOT a suicide note.
Authorities claim they found ripped-up medical leave note(s) with the results of a urine test. They were found at this home in Dusseldorf indicated that he was "unfit for work" according to CNN and the German prosecutor Krumpf. The note was for "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment", according to France 24.
According to German daily Bild, Lubitz had been the recipient of a "specific and regular medical treatment" ever since his bout of depression in 2009.
He was on medication for an illness at the time of his death according to Fox news.
A website, Roman Catholic Imperialist.blogspot.com, claimed he was a convert who committed jihad. The report also claimed that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend, but it is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash or if he met the woman through Muslims friends.
Other news media are reporting that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah. They were supposed to marry next year.
According to a German media site, it is speculated that the 28 year old copilot who crashed a Germanwings flight this week had converted to Islam. Andreas Lubitz had stayed for a time in Bremen, home of the radical mosque, Masjidu-l-Furqan, where he trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School.
Michael Mannheimer of Spiesa.com wrote:
(Translated from German)
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of "radical", ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he - as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York - received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with ?129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, "Islamic Scholars") will agree to assign this an act of a "mentally unstable" man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.
The Masjidu-l-Furqan Mosque was raided by the police in December 2014.
BERLIN, Dec 5 (KUNA) - German authorities have closed a mosque in the northern city of Bremen, after it was accused of encouraging youth to join the extremist Islamic State group (known as ISIL), which is carrying out violent killings across Syria and Iraq.
In unprecedented circumstances, more than 100 German police personnel carried out a search of Masjidu-l-Furqan and its accompanying cultural office, which had both been under police radar since 2007.
Other sources state that Lubvitz may have been suffering from depression as he was dealing with a break-up with his girlfriend, who has yet to be located.
Police have reportedly found an "item of significance" at the apartment of Andreas Lubitz, the First Officer who crashed the Germanwing passenger plane into the Alps. The item was NOT a suicide note.
Authorities claim they found ripped-up medical leave note(s) with the results of a urine test. They were found at this home in Dusseldorf indicated that he was "unfit for work" according to CNN and the German prosecutor Krumpf. The note was for "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment", according to France 24.
According to German daily Bild, Lubitz had been the recipient of a "specific and regular medical treatment" ever since his bout of depression in 2009.
He was on medication for an illness at the time of his death according to Fox news.
A website, Roman Catholic Imperialist.blogspot.com, claimed he was a convert who committed jihad. The report also claimed that Lubitz had a Muslim girlfriend, but it is unclear if she was still dating Lubitz at the time of the crash or if he met the woman through Muslims friends.
Other news media are reporting that Lubitz had broken off the relationship after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah. They were supposed to marry next year.
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Let's make cockpits "Muslim-Free Zones," and we should then be safe.
As long as these words remain in the report it isn't a report. I speculate about a lot of things but usually don't mention it because it's speculation.
Only thing I can think of otherwise is he left himself a chance to pull out of his plan if he chickened out.
His momma find out he takes it on the other side? No...
That SOB went MUZZY and had his own little jihad!! Sick Sorry Sob Suck!!
In the Old Country,families were wiped out to prevent further actions..[:(!][}:)]
If the guy is bent on suicide, why does he gradually reduce altitude and fly into the mountain? He could have boosted speed and nosed it straight down or just turned off the engines and nosed it straight down.
Only thing I can think of otherwise is he left himself a chance to pull out of his plan if he chickened out.
Airbus is computer controlled. pilot inputs are suggestions. He just dialed up a 100 foot altitude and they crashed into a 6,000 foot mountain.
Margaret Thatcher
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Mark Twain
If the guy is bent on suicide, why does he gradually reduce altitude and fly into the mountain? He could have boosted speed and nosed it straight down or just turned off the engines and nosed it straight down.
Only thing I can think of otherwise is he left himself a chance to pull out of his plan if he chickened out.
It gave him time to put his mat on the floor and get on his knees and do all his praying to Allah plus it gave him a chance to chicken out just in case.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinkin' after watching the pilot pound on the flight deck door for about 10 seconds I would have been all about getting that door open!!! I don't care if it meant destroying the whole forward cabin to do it. The door doesn't have anywhere near enough meat to it to withstand a couple 300 lb dudes working on it with some mechanical advantages. It's only designed to slow someone down enough to be subdued if I'm not mistaken.
Heck, it's been a lot of years since I played football in college, but I can still put a pretty good hurt on something with about a 10 yard sprint! I don't know, but I'm thinking a 280 lb sledge hammer would go a long way to getting that thing open!! ...it'd certainly be worth a try (or twenty)!
I was thinking the same thing. I think getting back as far as you could and running full speed into the door ought to do something. If not at least you tried instead of just standing around wringing your hands.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinkin' after watching the pilot pound on the flight deck door for about 10 seconds I would have been all about getting that door open!!!One media account I read stated that on the voice recorder the sound of the pilot working on that door with an axe can be heard.
I believe would have heard "Alluah Akbar' on the recorder
But will wait on the facts
Depressed? Most likely and unfit to fly but the airlines were most likely not notified. Civilian aviation does not operate like military aviation where the Flight Surgeon is right there and calls the unit and DNIFs you on the spot
Radical Muslim? Possible but so far nothing seems to point to that in any conclusive way. Lots of people kill themselves or others and have no radical muslim tendencies.
Why the slow decent? Not knowing the Airbus, there is a possibility the computer could have overridden his attempts to do a steep dive. He knew a steady gradual descent would not alert the rest of the crew or passengers.
Getting through the door? If I remember correctly it was an 8 minute descent. By the time the pilot did his business, returned to the door and buzzed for entry, a couple of minutes probably passed. No answer so he tries again...then tries the keypad to enter only to realize that the anti-hijacking protocol was implemented and he was locked out for 5 mins (or 20 mins depending upon the reporting). Now we may only have 4 mins left on the flight path. My guess is there just wasn't enough time to get through the door before impact.
Bottom line is we really cannot anticipate every situation that could arise and then work to prevent them. Mitigation is a large portion of any major corporation and they will have to determine another solution to this. But the next time it could just be one shoots the other on the deck and still flies into a mountain or field or ocean.
I would not be surprised in the least should it be proven he was a Muslim terrorist. Who here would be surprised at that?
My first thoughts. But,But,But a muslim can't be called a terrorist. On occasion they do commit work place events. Remember Islam is a religion of peace and they love everybody.
Here's another thing; the notion that we can never have a lone pilot on the flight deck is crazy non-sense. Yes, it may be policy, but there are plenty of instances when one of the FDO's have to leave the flight deck for very legitimate reasons. On a short flight, where there are only 2 pilots on board, preventing one of them from leaving could pose a huge safety hazard. If he (or she) is not able to survey the flight integrity of the aircraft then everyone is at risk. There's a lot of things you can't see from only the flight deck.
This doosh-bag has just jeopardized all of us!!
FCD, the crew on the flight deck doesn't HAVE to be two pilots. A flight attendant or other crew member could take the place of a pilot to allow the pilot a restroom break. Such a policy just might have prevented this incident.
Boeing should counter!
I doubt the French would hide an "Allah Akbar" if one occurred and I believe had this bee an act of Islamic terror someone would have claimed responsibility.
Not saying it could not be a Muslim attack just saying no "real" evidence to date
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Those door are made of Kevlar and steel.
I would think that I could get that door open with an axe. Or, there must have been some type of long, heavy object on that plane, you get six passengers like Flying Clay Disc and me to grab the battering ram and smash that door, should be able to open it.
I heard last night that the pilot was attacking the door with an axe.
Those door are made of Kevlar and steel.
I would think that I could get that door open with an axe. Or, there must have been some type of long, heavy object on that plane, you get six passengers like Flying Clay Disc and me to grab the battering ram and smash that door, should be able to open it.
Depression and maybe other medical issues.
Islam is a self-induced mental illness, so if he was not a Muslim;
HE DANG WELL OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN!
There you go, Woodshed! If you had an 18 foot long black walnut beam, and 10 big Kraut boys to lug it, that door is coming down!
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
Here's another thing; the notion that we can never have a lone pilot on the flight deck is crazy non-sense. Yes, it may be policy, but there are plenty of instances when one of the FDO's have to leave the flight deck for very legitimate reasons. On a short flight, where there are only 2 pilots on board, preventing one of them from leaving could pose a huge safety hazard. If he (or she) is not able to survey the flight integrity of the aircraft then everyone is at risk. There's a lot of things you can't see from only the flight deck.
This doosh-bag has just jeopardized all of us!!
FCD, the crew on the flight deck doesn't HAVE to be two pilots. A flight attendant or other crew member could take the place of a pilot to allow the pilot a restroom break. Such a policy just might have prevented this incident.
I can't speak for the Air Farce or any other command, but when I was flying, it was common for me to slide into either the pilot or co-pilot seat if one had to make a head call. We had three pilots onboard but if one was in the rack, no sense in waking him.
I learned enough to keep level flight and altitude in case of an emergency like a birdstrike that would incapacitate the other pilot and could maintain control long enough for a pilot to make it to the cockpit.
It's just good crew coordination and being prepared for the worst. A few other crewmen did the same as me and it was encouraged amonst the crews.
If it's not true, it's a good rumor to start.
My suspicion...
He got his "no fly" notice.
Then decided to punish the company he worked for.
The original reports that the passengers were unaware and did not suffer have now been proven false.
They died in terror, screaming.
And the civil suit will reflect that.
Muslim? Maybe. But I suspect that doesn't have anything to do with anything.
I read somewhere that his mother is an organist in a protestant Church.
[:D][:D]
And was kicked out of his Catholic church. Then he tried the Presbyterians and they said no, too. He tried the Jews, and they sent him down the hall to the Mosque.
It's all speculation though, on my part...
But please don't let FACTS get in the way of your Islam-bashing. [xx(]
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I read somewhere that his mother is an organist in a protestant Church.
[:D][:D]
There was a reference that "An organist at a Protestant church is found to he a Jew"
Not sure how that is related but all the FACTS aren't in.
anyone , anyone,, SF....SF
Neal
I'd have started a thread about it, but I have no desire to make endless--and pointless-- efforts at running up my post count
(CNN)-German investigators found antidepressants in the apartment of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz this week, according to published reports.
Die Welt, a German newspaper, cited an unidentified senior investigator who said Lubitz suffered from a severe "psychosomatic illness" and German police seized prescription drugs that treat the condition. Lubitz suffered from a "severe subjective burnout syndrome" and from severe depression, the source told Die Welt.
The New York Times also reported that antidepressants were found during the search of his apartment. CNN has not been able to confirm the reports.
Investigators continued to work Saturday to piece together the secret life of Lubitz, who officials say was hiding an illness from his employers. He had been declared "unfit to work" by a doctor.
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Yup...he's clearly a Muslim and that is why he did it.
A psychosomatic illness is when you are not really sick, but you imagine that you are. WTH?
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(CNN)-German investigators found antidepressants in the apartment of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz this week, according to published reports.
Die Welt, a German newspaper, cited an unidentified senior investigator who said Lubitz suffered from a severe "psychosomatic illness" and German police seized prescription drugs that treat the condition. Lubitz suffered from a "severe subjective burnout syndrome" and from severe depression, the source told Die Welt.
The New York Times also reported that antidepressants were found during the search of his apartment. CNN has not been able to confirm the reports.
Investigators continued to work Saturday to piece together the secret life of Lubitz, who officials say was hiding an illness from his employers. He had been declared "unfit to work" by a doctor.
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Yup...he's clearly a Muslim and that is why he did it.
He "looked" muslim to me...