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mydadsson1
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What if there was a new Constitutional Amendment affirming the 2nd Amendment. This would forever end the matter of wasteful bureaucratic activity related to constitutional tampering of our rights and bring in a forever law related to firearm legislation. There would be unlimited access to weapons provided it was registered like a class 3 firearm. An understanding would be made that unlawful or hurtful use of firearms would be punishable with just,fair punishment including and up to the death penalty. However it would be encouraged for uses of recreation, hunting, armed revolt againest despotism, sporting uses, economic and improvement of technology. Whatever a free American could imagine in pursuing life, liberty and happiness. Concealed carry would be a no brainer. Go ahead and have that full auto Gatling gun. Get in a road rage incident however and swift justice will apply to troublemakers whether by a citizen or law enforcement. Use it the way a polite man would, in living a free good life with all powers over government. The caveat is registration of all arms with the understanding that confiscation would never apply but goverment has a responsibilty and duty to pursue justice respecting lawbreaking but reverence for privacy and rule of rights. Just an idea that needs picking apart, scrutiny or establishment?????
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I'm as pro gun as you will find but I see no point. Rather than going through the nightmare of passing a new amendment for no other reason than to reaffirm one that has been around for over 200 years, lets try getting an amendment mandating a balanced budget!
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What if there was a new Constitutional Amendment affirming the 2nd Amendment. This would forever end the matter of wasteful bureaucratic activity related to constitutional tampering of our rights and bring in a forever law related to firearm legislation. There would be unlimited access to weapons provided it was registered like a class 3 firearm. An understanding would be made that unlawful or hurtful use of firearms would be punishable with just,fair punishment including and up to the death penalty. However it would be encouraged for uses of recreation, hunting, armed revolt againest despotism, sporting uses, economic and improvement of technology. Whatever a free American could imagine in pursuing life, liberty and happiness. Concealed carry would be a no brainer. Go ahead and have that full auto Gatling gun. Get in a road rage incident however and swift justice will apply to troublemakers whether by a citizen or law enforcement. Use it the way a polite man would, in living a free good life with all powers over government. The caveat is registration of all arms with the understanding that confiscation would never apply but goverment has a responsibilty and duty to pursue justice respecting lawbreaking but reverence for privacy and rule of rights. Just an idea that needs picking apart, scrutiny or establishment?????
Nope, I'll pass.
I will not register any firearm I have simply because it is none of their damn business what I have.
I do not understand all this 'debate' over the RTKBA. The discussion, debating, and details were all worked out over two centuries ago by some pretty wise fellows.
I do not think this 'confusion' over the RTKBA is a lack of understanding as much as it is a lack of acceptance.
There would be unlimited access to weapons provided it was registered like a class 3 firearm. There I fixed it for ya.
I find it ridiculous that anyone would even contemplate the need for anything modifying Amendment II, unless of course, one were of the ilk that doesn't like the prohibition on government that is so clearly enumerated......."Shall Not Be Infringed".
The caveat is registration of all arms with the understanding that confiscation would never apply but goverment has a responsibilty and duty to pursue justice respecting lawbreaking but reverence for privacy and rule of rights.
This is the deal the government of Washington, D. C. had with the citizens of Washington, D. C.
After they got as many registrations as they expected to get they used them to facilitate confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Sometimes it pays to not trust the government too much.
Oh yeah, we don't need an Amendment which says we really really meant it about Amendment II.
We already have the Second Amendment...and I'll be damned if I'm registering crap.
I would register CRAP. I would be willing to send them some, too. [}:)][;)]
Now, in the real world, consider that once the 2nd amendment becomes open to debate (eclipsed by a new amendment-shall we call it "2nd Amendment, Amended"?) there will be an opportunity for the wolves-at-bay to come into the chicken coop, and legislate away what is already graven in stone.
Thank you, but no thanks. This entire posting, if one were to evaluate, is decidedly anti 2nd Amendment. Think about it. Best, Joe
Captain (lt496), judging from his user name I believe we are conversing with a young man who is still forming his opinions and ideas. [;)]
I am thinking that you are spot-on in your assessment James.[:)]
It was written once enuff for me and my forefathers.
b
How about we just pass a new amendment that they can have all of our earnings as long as they promise to always take care of us? We would never have to worry about silly things like money, and bills
Maybe that would be funny if it weren't the plan.
quote:Originally posted by Todesengel
How about we just pass a new amendment that they can have all of our earnings as long as they promise to always take care of us? We would never have to worry about silly things like money, and bills
Maybe that would be funny if it weren't the plan.
Sage observation.[;)]
quote:Originally posted by Todesengel
How about we just pass a new amendment that they can have all of our earnings as long as they promise to always take care of us? We would never have to worry about silly things like money, and bills
Maybe that would be funny if it weren't the plan.
Not on my watch, or maybe more appropriate, not in my lifetime [:(]
why would folks want a vote or a debate on a right they already have. to me , it ain't up for discussion..read the second amendment..what part don't you understand...nuff said[:(!]
This is the problem I have with CCW laws, the way I see it there is already language in place that gives ya the right. I'll be damned if I'm submittin to more background checks, fingerprints, and such. If I need to protect myself I'm gonna. Not gonna worry about whether a LEO thinks I have the right.[}:)]
I agree 100% w/ the camp on registration. Nobody needs know nothin.. BUT the idea is , do a feelgood thing while slipping Americans back their fullfledged rights. Obviously there has to be something to track lawbreakers but hey. unless you were born with the wolves, you have a social security number and since 1968 you have that dasterdly form to fill out. Understand full scrutiny would be given with those records. A watchdog group would pursue full retribution againest govt shenanigans related to improper citizen litigation. The caveat is gov't acknowledgement of citizens rights to change gov't from the vote to the muzzle is all. All in fun- enjoy your weekend
Keep your gun control away from me and mine! We need to be working on repealing existing legislation...not creating any more.[xx(][V][:(!]
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
why would folks want a vote or a debate on a right they already have. to me , it ain't up for discussion..read the second amendment..what part don't you understand...nuff said[:(!]
This is the problem I have with CCW laws, the way I see it there is already language in place that gives ya the right. I'll be damned if I'm submittin to more background checks, fingerprints, and such. If I need to protect myself I'm gonna. Not gonna worry about whether a LEO thinks I have the right.[}:)]
A-FRIGGON-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]
At that moment, life became a very simple proposition to me:
Unless the legislature can amend the freakin' laws of gravity, there is nothing in this whole world they can do to keep me or mine safe. A car could fall right out of the sky and screw up the rest of my life.
And it's then that I understood that all laws passed in the name of my safety were bull, plain and simple.
They were laws passed simply to control my actions.
If none of the tens of thousands of gun laws already in effect can't keep me safe,then what in the hell are new ones going to do?
I always like to ask people who are pushing gun and people control- Why are you afraid of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS owning something? They cannot awnser, and instead talk about gang bangers/drug dealers/terrorists/etc-so i ask the question again emphasizing the law abiding citizen part, and ask if they understand the difference between law abiding and criminals. Most of them do not. Hence, i believe there is the problem.
1) Religious Freedom. Every citizen who goes to church, and belongs to an organized religion would have to be registered, fingerprinted, and run through an FBI background check every time they bought a bible, prayer book, and attended church services.
2) Freedom of Assembly. You want to assemble -- for a graduation ceremoney, a funeral, a political event -- whatever. You would need to submit forms, submit to FBI checks, fingerprinting, and surveillance.
3) Freedom of Speech. You want to write a letter, email, magazine article, letter to the editior, a book, a class paper in high school or college. Yep, that would have to have approval from the FBI too.
When the other rights in the Constitution become threathened and/or controlled, the people will then truly understand what is wrong, and surely a rebellion against the tyranny from the left and the freakin' ACLU will ensue. More people have been murdered in the name of God, than by law abiding gun owners. When was the last time that a "rascal" and a scallywag was tarred, feathered, and carried out of town on a split rail? A long time ago, when men had real kahonies and took the maggots of society to task.
One simple means of determining the fairness/validity of a proposition is to reverse it to a mirror image. So let's try this-
You will have freedom of the press- so long as all books you own are registered with the govt. Like that?
You will have freedom of religion- so long as your religous preferences are on file with the Federal govt.
You will have freedom of speech- as long as you provide the Federal Govt a copy of what you plan to say.
Hmmmmm- does not sound right to me. How about you?
PS- as far as "compromise" with the anti-gunners- since 1968, "compromise" has consisted of our rights being restricted or reduced. Not a very 2 sided thing.
quote:Originally posted by matwor
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
why would folks want a vote or a debate on a right they already have. to me , it ain't up for discussion..read the second amendment..what part don't you understand...nuff said[:(!]
This is the problem I have with CCW laws, the way I see it there is already language in place that gives ya the right. I'll be damned if I'm submittin to more background checks, fingerprints, and such. If I need to protect myself I'm gonna. Not gonna worry about whether a LEO thinks I have the right.[}:)]
A-FRIGGON-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]
Why thank you!![:D]
the only reason politicians want every gun registered is so they know who has what so when they introduce bans they can get full compliance or the owner who refuses gets careted to the cells...or gets a bullet to the head...there is no other reason why politicians want full registration...none!!!
A-FRIGGON-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]
No thanks. I don't swing that way. I don't even now what the inside of a gay bar looks like!!
.....sorry. Joe
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< -- I kinda think we are screwed already my friends because the last pinnacle in destruction of our constitution is an assault on the 2A. Tell me someone ....what is not already infringed upon already in the Bill of Rights? We better draw the line on the 2A and declare no more. I will not register private belongings ever myself.
1A Free press- ABC,NBC,CNN? Yea right.. 2A ,will not comment. 3A probably coming, 4a Wanna ask these folks over here who did'nt have the burglar screw up their home but the police? 5A The more it goes on makes the point clear. Hell I don't have the answers but why does it seem we all are chickens waiting in the coop,albeit with sharpened claws? I'm not a chicken, I demand freedom in the face of government and we damn well all better wake up and seize our heritage through lawful channels before a fight comes.
In a few hours the Germans were in full control. The soldiers confiscated all our guns. It wasn't hard to do. By a Dutch law passed in 1938, gun owners had to register their weapons at City Hall. The Queen had left the list behind in her rush to safety.....People who were unable or unwilling to turn over their weapons were immediately dragged to the street and shot....In 1938, when the gun registration law had been enacted, Jaap's father had lectured, "This law will reduce crime and make Holland a safer place to live." Most of the population had agreed, and being law abiding citizens dutifully registered their guns. I doubt if many people had anticipated two years earlier how easy that law would make it for Germans to leave us defenseless.
ISBN-10: 0964961520
ISBN-13: 978-0964961524
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In Haynes v. U.S., the Supreme Court ruled a felon cannot be forced to register or license a firearm because in doing so, it's basically forcing that felon to admit his crime - which, therefore, makes it a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
quote:Held:
1. Congress, subject to constitutional limitations, has authority to regulate the manufacture, transfer, and possession of firearms, and may tax unlawful activities. Pp. 390 U. S. 90, 390 U. S. 98.
2. Petitioner's conviction under ? 5851 for possession of an unregistered firearm is not properly distinguishable from a conviction under ? 5841 for failure to register possession of a firearm, and both offenses must be deemed subject to any constitutional deficiencies arising under the Fifth Amendment from the obligation to register. Pp. 390 U. S. 90-95.
3. A proper claim of the privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register under ? 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under ? 5851. Pp. 390 U. S. 95-100.
4. Restrictions upon the use by federal and state authorities of information obtained as a consequence of the registration requirement,
suggested by the Government, is not appropriate. Marchetti v. United States, ante, p. 390 U. S. 39, and Grosso v. United States, ante, p. 390 U. S. 62. Pp. 390 U. S. 99-100.
5. Since any proceeding in the District Court upon a remand must inevitably result in the reversal of petitioner's conviction, it would be neither just nor appropriate to require such needless action, and accordingly the judgment is reversed. Pp. 390 U. S. 100-101. 372 F.2d 651, reversed.
Heres a nice argument to oppose registration :
http://www.examiner.com/x-2698-Charlotte-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d27-Whats-the-big-deal-about-background-checks
note:
California & "Roberti-Roos
Dinkins and New York City rifle and shotgun registration
Merc
quote:Originally posted by mydadsson1
I agree 100% w/ the camp on registration. Nobody needs know nothin.. BUT the idea is , do a feelgood thing while slipping Americans back their fullfledged rights. Obviously there has to be something to track lawbreakers but hey. unless you were born with the wolves, you have a social security number and since 1968 you have that dasterdly form to fill out. Understand full scrutiny would be given with those records. A watchdog group would pursue full retribution againest govt shenanigans related to improper citizen litigation. The caveat is gov't acknowledgement of citizens rights to change gov't from the vote to the muzzle is all. All in fun- enjoy your weekend