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Lebraun James or Michael Jordon
scottm21166
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Lebraun made a game winning 3 pointer in their game against the magic last night. This wasn't a shot he just threw at the basket and prayed even though he had less than a second to make the shot after receiving the inbounds pass.
He is amazing and has to be the best current player in the NBA, but is he better than the legenday, Michael Jordon?
Or is there someone better than either of them ?
who is the best NBA player ever? and why?
He is amazing and has to be the best current player in the NBA, but is he better than the legenday, Michael Jordon?
Or is there someone better than either of them ?
who is the best NBA player ever? and why?
Comments
James - The hand check rule is dead and gone. It was there throughout Jordan's career.
Jordan-
31.6 ppg CAREER AVERAGE
6 NBA Titles
5 MVP's
6 Finals MVP
NCAA national Championship
Two Olympic gold medals
Game Winning shots (I'll keep this brief):
84-86:
Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
12-footer with four seconds left.
Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
18-footer with five seconds left.
March 26, 1985 vs. Indiana, 120-119
Two free throws with five seconds left.
April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
Jordan nails the eventual game-winning jumper from the corner with 22 seconds left on the clock to force Game 4 in the first round of the 1985 Playoffs against Milwaukee.
Oct. 25, 1985 vs. Cleveland, 116-115
Jordan is at the line to win the game against the Cavs. He misses the first, but drains number two for the victory.
Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Jordan drives through traffic to the basket and manages to sink the tough layup with nine ticks left, skidding out of bounds after the shot.
Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
Jordan scores the last 18 of the Bulls' points, including the final two for the win on a running 18-footer with one second remaining to down the Knicks 101-99.
88-89
Feb. 12, 1988 vs. Milwaukee, 95-93
Terry Cummings sends Jordan to the floor with the hard foul, but Jordan exacts revenge by coolly dropping in both free throws with two ticks left for a Chicago victory.
April 3, 1988 vs. Detroit, 112-110
Jordan drains two free throws with four seconds left.
April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
Jordan rises and shoots the jumper over Mike O'Koren with 20 seconds left to down the Nets in New Jersey.
Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
20-footer with one second left.
May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
They call it "The Shot." It's the reason Cleveland fans will never forgive Jordan, as this shot at the buzzer won Game 5 and the series for Chicago in the first round of the 1989 Playoffs.
May 19, 1989 vs. New York, 113-111
After Trent Tucker's four-point play tied Game 6 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Semifinals at 111, Jordan stepped to the free throw line and iced the series with two freebies with four seconds left.
May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
With future teammate Dennis Rodman guarding him in Game 3 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals, Jordan wins the game for the Bulls with the pull-up jumper with three seconds left.
90-92
Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
As time runs out, Jordan creates some space for the shot over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone, downing the Jazz on their homecourt with the 15-footer.
Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
20-footer with one second left.
May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
They call it "The Shot." It's the reason Cleveland fans will never forgive Jordan, as this shot at the buzzer won Game 5 and the series for Chicago in the first round of the 1989 Playoffs.
May 19, 1989 vs. New York, 113-111
After Trent Tucker's four-point play tied Game 6 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Semifinals at 111, Jordan stepped to the free throw line and iced the series with two freebies with four seconds left.
May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
With future teammate Dennis Rodman guarding him in Game 3 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals, Jordan wins the game for the Bulls with the pull-up jumper with three seconds left.
Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
As time runs out, Jordan creates some space for the shot over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone, downing the Jazz on their homecourt with the 15-footer.
Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
Jordan picks up the loose ball in Charlotte and runs the length of the court for the layup, drawing the foul and completing the three-point play for a three-point Chicago victory.
92-98
Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
Jordan victimizes the Detroit Pistons, draining the long range three-pointer at the buzzer for a 98-96 win in overtime.
May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
"The Shot -- Part Two," Jordan does it to the Cavs again, this time victimizing Gerald Wilkins with the jumper to win Game 4 of the 1993 Eastern Conference Semifinals in Cleveland.
March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
Jordan, fresh from his return from baseball, brings the ball up the court and drains the jumper over Steve Smith to drop the Hawks in Atlanta.
Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
Michael is at it again - this time he connects on the clutch jumper from downtown to lift the Bulls to a 103-100 victory over the gritty visitors from Charlotte.
March 18, 1997 vs. Seattle, 89-87 (OT)
With the Sonics battling the Bulls in OT, Gary Payton fouls Jordan on the jumper with eight seconds remaining. Jordan goes to the line, sinking both free throws to shut down Seattle.
June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
Michael Jordan puts his cape on to perform the heroics again, when he drains the jumper as the buzzer goes off giving the Bulls a 84-82 victory and a 1-0 lead in the series.
February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Michael Jordan comes through in the clutch yet again, pulling up to drain the game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Atlanta's Steve Smith and Chucky Brown.
March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
MJ does it again, nailing the short fadeaway jumper from the right wing with five seconds left, lifting the Bulls to victory.
98-02
June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
This will probably go down as Michael's most famous shot of all-time. His final shot as a Chicago Bull. Michael Jordan knocks down the game-clinching jumper with 5.2 seconds remaining in the game and the Bulls beat Utah 87-86 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals for their sixth NBA title.
December 22, 2001 vs. New York, 87-86
Michael Jordan takes a couple dribbles to get separation from Sprewell, and drains the shot to seal the victory with 3.2 seconds left.
January 31, 2002 vs. Cavaliers, 93-92
"The Shot" part 3, Jordan hits the game winning shot for the Wizards as he nails a 15-foot jumper at the buzzer to beat the Cavaliers 93-92.
February 15, 2002 vs. Suns, 97-96
Jordan receives an inbound pass at the top of the circle, he drives to the right side of the lane, and gets Shawn Marion off the ground with a headfake before burying a 13-footer.
My two favorites are Karl Malone and John Stockton.
You gotta be tough to be a JAZZ fan.
[}:)]
"jordan rules" you couldn't let a drop of your sweat drip on him without being called for a foul[xx(]
And again:
What about full-court?
Sure he doesn't have the college record of Jordan- he skipped college and went straight pro. His pro career won't match it yet, because he's only played a few years so far. He hasn't retired as many times as Jordan did either. Once he reaches Jordan's longevity, his career will match or exceed Jordan's.
The two really don't even match up YET. I do love to watch King James, BUT:
James - The hand check rule is dead and gone. It was there throughout Jordan's career.
Jordan-
31.6 ppg CAREER AVERAGE
6 NBA Titles
5 MVP's
6 Finals MVP
NCAA national Championship
Two Olympic gold medals
Game Winning shots (I'll keep this brief):
84-86:
Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
12-footer with four seconds left.
Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
18-footer with five seconds left.
March 26, 1985 vs. Indiana, 120-119
Two free throws with five seconds left.
April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
Jordan nails the eventual game-winning jumper from the corner with 22 seconds left on the clock to force Game 4 in the first round of the 1985 Playoffs against Milwaukee.
Oct. 25, 1985 vs. Cleveland, 116-115
Jordan is at the line to win the game against the Cavs. He misses the first, but drains number two for the victory.
Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Jordan drives through traffic to the basket and manages to sink the tough layup with nine ticks left, skidding out of bounds after the shot.
Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
Jordan scores the last 18 of the Bulls' points, including the final two for the win on a running 18-footer with one second remaining to down the Knicks 101-99.
88-89
Feb. 12, 1988 vs. Milwaukee, 95-93
Terry Cummings sends Jordan to the floor with the hard foul, but Jordan exacts revenge by coolly dropping in both free throws with two ticks left for a Chicago victory.
April 3, 1988 vs. Detroit, 112-110
Jordan drains two free throws with four seconds left.
April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
Jordan rises and shoots the jumper over Mike O'Koren with 20 seconds left to down the Nets in New Jersey.
Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
20-footer with one second left.
May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
They call it "The Shot." It's the reason Cleveland fans will never forgive Jordan, as this shot at the buzzer won Game 5 and the series for Chicago in the first round of the 1989 Playoffs.
May 19, 1989 vs. New York, 113-111
After Trent Tucker's four-point play tied Game 6 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Semifinals at 111, Jordan stepped to the free throw line and iced the series with two freebies with four seconds left.
May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
With future teammate Dennis Rodman guarding him in Game 3 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals, Jordan wins the game for the Bulls with the pull-up jumper with three seconds left.
90-92
Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
As time runs out, Jordan creates some space for the shot over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone, downing the Jazz on their homecourt with the 15-footer.
Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
20-footer with one second left.
May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
They call it "The Shot." It's the reason Cleveland fans will never forgive Jordan, as this shot at the buzzer won Game 5 and the series for Chicago in the first round of the 1989 Playoffs.
May 19, 1989 vs. New York, 113-111
After Trent Tucker's four-point play tied Game 6 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Semifinals at 111, Jordan stepped to the free throw line and iced the series with two freebies with four seconds left.
May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
With future teammate Dennis Rodman guarding him in Game 3 of the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals, Jordan wins the game for the Bulls with the pull-up jumper with three seconds left.
Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
As time runs out, Jordan creates some space for the shot over Thurl Bailey and Jeff Malone, downing the Jazz on their homecourt with the 15-footer.
Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
Jordan picks up the loose ball in Charlotte and runs the length of the court for the layup, drawing the foul and completing the three-point play for a three-point Chicago victory.
92-98
Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
Jordan victimizes the Detroit Pistons, draining the long range three-pointer at the buzzer for a 98-96 win in overtime.
May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
"The Shot -- Part Two," Jordan does it to the Cavs again, this time victimizing Gerald Wilkins with the jumper to win Game 4 of the 1993 Eastern Conference Semifinals in Cleveland.
March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
Jordan, fresh from his return from baseball, brings the ball up the court and drains the jumper over Steve Smith to drop the Hawks in Atlanta.
Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
Michael is at it again - this time he connects on the clutch jumper from downtown to lift the Bulls to a 103-100 victory over the gritty visitors from Charlotte.
March 18, 1997 vs. Seattle, 89-87 (OT)
With the Sonics battling the Bulls in OT, Gary Payton fouls Jordan on the jumper with eight seconds remaining. Jordan goes to the line, sinking both free throws to shut down Seattle.
June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
Michael Jordan puts his cape on to perform the heroics again, when he drains the jumper as the buzzer goes off giving the Bulls a 84-82 victory and a 1-0 lead in the series.
February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
Michael Jordan comes through in the clutch yet again, pulling up to drain the game-winning buzzer-beating jumper over Atlanta's Steve Smith and Chucky Brown.
March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
MJ does it again, nailing the short fadeaway jumper from the right wing with five seconds left, lifting the Bulls to victory.
98-02
June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
This will probably go down as Michael's most famous shot of all-time. His final shot as a Chicago Bull. Michael Jordan knocks down the game-clinching jumper with 5.2 seconds remaining in the game and the Bulls beat Utah 87-86 in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals for their sixth NBA title.
December 22, 2001 vs. New York, 87-86
Michael Jordan takes a couple dribbles to get separation from Sprewell, and drains the shot to seal the victory with 3.2 seconds left.
January 31, 2002 vs. Cavaliers, 93-92
"The Shot" part 3, Jordan hits the game winning shot for the Wizards as he nails a 15-foot jumper at the buzzer to beat the Cavaliers 93-92.
February 15, 2002 vs. Suns, 97-96
Jordan receives an inbound pass at the top of the circle, he drives to the right side of the lane, and gets Shawn Marion off the ground with a headfake before burying a 13-footer.
What he said. Jordan has a big set of shoes to fill.... I consider myself Lucky to have lived through all of that! James.....maybe one day as of yet he's not even close[;)]
I'm going to have to say Lebron. Not just because I'm from Cleveland, but because he's more fun to watch than Jordan. He has more style. Did you see his underhand half court toss from the sideline (not during the game)?
And again:
What about full-court?
Sure he doesn't have the college record of Jordan- he skipped college and went straight pro. His pro career won't match it yet, because he's only played a few years so far. He hasn't retired as many times as Jordan did either. Once he reaches Jordan's longevity, his career will match or exceed Jordan's.
That is yet to be determined. It will be fun to watch though, I still am not quite sure he'll ever match Jordan, But the kid is a damn good player cant take that away from him.