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FFL question

kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
edited May 2017 in General Discussion
Resently i purchased a gun off GB and needed ffl transfer so i started asking prices at local shops one said they charged $45 which covered them having it shipped in plus tranfer then said they have to charge tax on original purchase price? Gun was bought out of state no tax. Went to another shop $20 no tax. Question is this legal or not charging tax again? I think not? Should this guy be reported and if so to whom. State is PA. if it makes a diff.?

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  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What are the different types of FFLs, what is involved in getting them, price, background, etc, and what type of FFL is required to own full auto and buy and sell firearms. If I had a FFL, I could buy direct and not need a middleman. This is what I interested in. What are tax stamps for guns that I have heard about?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is a FFL licence copy sent to the seller via e-mail attachment legal?? I was always under the impression that the copy was to be signed fresh in ink and mailed to the seller. What say you ?? Thanks. [:D]
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This has probably been covered before.

    1. If I wanted to obtain a FFL for my own use (buying/selling my personal guns), would this be Type 01 license?

    2. Can the FFL be registered at my own personal residence (no retail store)? I've been told this is done all the time.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was asked a question today and had/have no answer....I just don't know [:)] Note, I'm not a FFL. QUESTION: if your out of your home State (example: Georgia) and pawn your pistol in another state ( example: Arizona) can you as a out of State resident redeem it later and walk out with your pistol in your possession ?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A Marine stationed in VA wants to buy an AR from me, but he is a Florida resident...doesn't that require an FFL? can't do FTF
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you were doing a transfer for somebody, and the gun arrived to you in a box, unloaded, but had magazines in the same box (not in the gun mind you) that were full of ammunition would this be against federal regulations?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My buyer gave me his FFL's address and license number, but the licensee refuses to send a copy of his license. He claims ATF advised him not to give the license to individuals due to fraud concerns.
    I checked him on EZ Check and everything is correct. Is this good enough for an individual? Or just asking for trouble?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since FFL holders are able to ship pistols thru the USPS and private guys aren't my question is this. Does the FFL holder need to log the pistol in and do a background check just to let the gun go thru his hands? I do realize that it needs to go thru an FFL on the other end.

    Todd
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was told that prices go up this time of year (normally not with the frenzy), is that true? Went to fill out paperwork and thats what my dealer told me
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    more or less what is average gross profit margin for someone selling firearms? thanks
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I received a photocopy of the buyers FFL today for a rifle I sold on the auction. Its not signed in ink, its a photocopy. Can I accept this by law?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Say I wanted a part of a gun that required it to be shipped to an FFL. Would I have to be a resident of the state in order for the gun place to receive the part for me? I'm a resident of Maine but am currently in New York for college.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am thinking about getting my FFL to do some buying and selling and I have a question(s). If in the course of buying and selling firearms how much of the paperwork can/could my wife legally do?

    She is a school teacher and has summers off not to mention she is home before 3 most days. So if I hold the license how much of the buying and selling can she do?

    Also, can she do much of the paperwork for consignment sells, shipping... etc?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Someone from another forum I am on is interested in an FFL. He wants one for personal use and maybe a few family transfers per year. He wants to collect a few class 3 weapons. Here is a quote from him, can you answer his questions please. Thank you. [:)]

    "I was primarily wanting to get one to get a couple of class 3 weapons but would like to be able to handle a few transfers a year for fam and friends. A person I was talking to at work was trying to say that there were different types of permits and if I was a dealer I could'nt get the class 3 but as a collector you could get class 3 and still handle a limited number of transfers a year. Do you know if this is true?"
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does each person working at a gun store, selling firearms, have to have an FFL? Example: do all of the employees authorized to work the gun counter at Big 5 have to have an FFL?

    On that same note, does each location have to have a separate FFL? Or is there just one corporate FFL?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello All.... I am thinking about opening a small hunting and fishing store and would like to know if it is worth getting a FFL.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm sure this has been asked around before, but here we go again.....
    Can I (non FFL holder) ship a a non C&R handgun direct to a FFL holder, or do I need to ship FFL to FFL? Thanks.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a question concerning a manufacturing FFL. I have seen information that seems to be a little contradictory, to me anyways. Here's my question. Would you need an ffl to manufacture blanks for the purpose of selling them? Or does it fall under a different category since there is no projectile. Here's something that I have dug up..

    Ammunition includes cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm other than an antique firearm. Items NOT covered include blank ammunition, tear gas ammunition, pellets and nonmetallic shotgun hulls without primers. Generally, no records are required for ammunition transactions. However, information about the disposition of armor piercing ammunition is required to be entered into a record by importers, manufacturers, and collectors. A license is not required for dealers in ammunition only. [18 U. S. C. 921( a)( 17) and 922( b)( 5), 27 CFR 178.11]

    You would require a manufacturer of ammunition license, FFL type 06 to manufacture bullets for sale.

    So does that mean no?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am getting ready to apply for an FFL. I see it says you can not be a respondent to a restraining order. What about one ten years ago. It was rescinded with no charges or trial. No other run ins other then the occasional traffic ticket.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just sold a long gun on the dark side and the buyer is asking me to send the gun to the mailing address on the FFL rather than the premise address. IIRC it has to go to the premise address, am I mistaken? They are different, but in the same town and the FFL checks out. Thanks.

    Todd
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Since I'm looking to get into gunsmithing, I was wondering if you guys could help me out.

    I know it requires a FFL, and it's almost impossible to run a gun-shop out of your home. Can you establish a gunsmith shop in your home, or do you need an official store-front according to every zoning constraint and what-not?

    Are there any requirements different to be a gunsmith than strictly selling? Thanks.

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  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can someone tell me how long it takes to recieve your ffl after you send it in?
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am an unlicensed person and am selling a long gun interstate. I asked the buyer to have his dealer's FFL sent to me in order to verify it through the ATF's EZ Check. I was told by the FFL, who called me, that an ATF agent said never to send an FFL to an unlicensed person. An ATF agent at the Atlanta office told me I have the right to ask for a copy. WOW, what a mess!

    I need some input please.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I sold an item on GB that required a FFL. Does it have to be signed in ink or can the signature be a copy as well? Thanks
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hypothetical: Lets say you are from florida, you are in Tennessee, you run into a friend that is also from Florida, You get to talking guns and he has a pistol for sale, Can that friend sell you that pistol, without using an FFL dealer?
  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What ammo???? Yes it would.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,082 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mistakes happen....take the ammo out and transfer the gun. If the post office had somehow found it they might have kept the gun and caused some problems. These things are best to just move forward and be glad nothing happened.

    Now.....if some nut sends you several crazy emails....thats different. Stop everything and send that nut some random crazy pictures. You can't let that mess go. Everyone has their limits!
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  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was in a gun shop the other day and a customer arrived to pick up his gun and when they opened the box the mags were full but not in the rifle.

    Dealer was pretty upset about it.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    manufactures send brand new loaded guns everyday, some yahoo leaves a loaded round in after test firing, as stated just move on
  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
    I was in a gun shop the other day and a customer arrived to pick up his gun and when they opened the box the mags were full but not in the rifle.

    Dealer was pretty upset about it.


    No reason for the dealer to be upset, they had nothing to do with it..
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
    If you were doing a transfer for somebody, and the gun arrived to you in a box, unloaded, but had magazines in the same box (not in the gun mind you) that were full of ammunition would this be against federal regulations?




    It violates Postal Regulations (no ammo can be mailed), but not if shipped UPS.

    Packing and Labeling Requirements for Ammunition:

    All ammunition must be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines. Ammunition must be packed with internal boxes or partitioning or in metal clips. The internal boxes, partitions or clips must fit snugly into the external packaging that is securely closed so that it cannot open during transportation.


    Theoretically, if the ammo had been loaded into plastic magazines (say AK mags), then there could be a UPS violation.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
    If you were doing a transfer for somebody, and the gun arrived to you in a box, unloaded, but had magazines in the same box (not in the gun mind you) that were full of ammunition would this be against federal regulations?




    It violates Postal Regulations (no ammo can be mailed), but not if shipped UPS.

    Packing and Labeling Requirements for Ammunition:

    All ammunition must be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines. Ammunition must be packed with internal boxes or partitioning or in metal clips. The internal boxes, partitions or clips must fit snugly into the external packaging that is securely closed so that it cannot open during transportation.


    Theoretically, if the ammo had been loaded into plastic magazines (say AK mags), then there could be a UPS violation.


    I Don't know who the carrier was or if it was usps or what.
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Looking deeper into the UPS regulations it seems that I was wrong:

    Important Additional Information (why this isn't listed with the regular information is a mystery)


    Ammunition may not be packaged with firearms
    Ammunition may not be shipped to individuals under the age of 18
    Ammunition is not accepted for shipment internationally



    I stand corrected. I've also been guilty of slipping in a box or two of ammo with M1s. Now I know better.
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Looking deeper into the UPS regulations it seems that I was wrong:

    Important Additional Information (why this isn't listed with the regular information is a mystery)


    Ammunition may not be packaged with firearms
    Ammunition may not be shipped to individuals under the age of 18
    Ammunition is not accepted for shipment internationally



    I stand corrected. I've also been guilty of slipping in a box or two of ammo with M1s. Now I know better.


    And even if you did, you are not breaking the LAW, just the shipping contract. [:D]
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    I got one a while back:

    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=691596

    People make mistakes.

    I had a customer call me and accuse me of trying to kill him. He bought a Davis .380 that had come out of a police property room. I had opened the slide and saw no cartridge, so it was "empty" and I shipped it.

    What I didn't do was check for a bore obstruction. Seems the last gang-banger to handle this pistol had loaded it with .32 ACP ammo, and there was a .32 round lodged in the bore ahead of the chamber. The officer(s) who confiscated, tagged, cataloged and stored the pistol didn't find it, and I didn't find it. I am very glad that the buyer found it before loading and firing it.
  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Looking deeper into the UPS regulations it seems that I was wrong:

    Important Additional Information (why this isn't listed with the regular information is a mystery)


    Ammunition may not be packaged with firearms
    Ammunition may not be shipped to individuals under the age of 18
    Ammunition is not accepted for shipment internationally



    I stand corrected. I've also been guilty of slipping in a box or two of ammo with M1s. Now I know better.



    Ok so it's not actually a law then.
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