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"ACA saved my life" stories now beginning...
nmyers
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Expect to hear more of these stories, part of the DNC campaign to discourage replacing Obamacare. Trump will be labelled a terrible person.
Remember, ACA didn't provide medical care for anyone; it's just an insurance subsidy & free medical care program THAT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't create a single new doctor, nurse, technician, or hospital bed, it was just an insurance scam that helped a few working people at a huge cost.
Neal
Remember, ACA didn't provide medical care for anyone; it's just an insurance subsidy & free medical care program THAT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't create a single new doctor, nurse, technician, or hospital bed, it was just an insurance scam that helped a few working people at a huge cost.
Neal
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Someone should give the freeloaders some cheese to go with their whine.
IMHO, the program placed GOVERNMENT and insurance companies in charge of healthcare, not patients or doctors.
The ACA was nothing more than wealth redistribution.
Certainly the ACA allowed for free heath care to those who were poor, the welfare crowd, and illegal aliens ...... and screwed the middle class with 5K deductibles and 5K per year policies.
Hey media, how about some horror stories of how the ACA screwed the producers in America.
Why does it need to be replaced? Repeal it and let the free market system work on its own. Forcing people to buy insurance or be fined is unconstitutional in my book. I don't care what the SCOTUS says. [:(!]
They fist have to take it away from the people, then give it to others.
It's all been a scam and a lie from the start, with a different end planned by libturds. It just hasn't worked they way they wanted.
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He doesn't say much about it now; he got priced out of the market.[:(!]
It would have been better to look for ways to reduce the cost of healthcare, like limit malpractice insurance, and civil suits awards. Lawyers making millions of dollars suing doctors, such as John Edwards, caused enormous increases in healthcare. Doctors paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for insurance caused many to just give up and retire. Instead of trashing the whole system for everyone, those in need should be helped, not those who want free stuff who could or should have provided for themselves. With what the government already has wasted, a lot of private insurance could have been paid for. Saying, "20 million Americans have health insurance" sounds like an achievement, but didn't they start off saying 30 million Americans were uninsured? How many can't afford insurance today who previously had it? How many jobs lost, how many out of business because of ACA?
It's all been a scam and a lie from the start, with a different end planned by libturds. It just hasn't worked they way they wanted.
By Philip Klein (@philipaklein) 9/16/14 10:23 AM
Forty-two million people were uninsured in the United States in 2013, the year before the implementation of President Obama's health care law, according to an annual report from the Census Bureau released Tuesday.
The number represented 13.4 percent of the population.
The Census number is typically the most widely-cited statistic on the number of uninsured in the U.S., but for 2013, the Bureau changed its methodology and questions in the survey, so the report cautioned against comparing the 2013 number to prior years.
Why do people think healthcare is a right? That everyone is owed healthcare? If you want it, go earn it.
Exactly. I never saw it in the Constitution anywhere. Nor did I see where they were allowed to make paying a private company mandatory or be fined.
Scrap it completely, the the free market pick it up again. Anybody who was grandfathered before the ACA, has to be picked back up if that company is still in biz. Those who got in under the aca, sorry charlie.
How is China setup for healthcare, doctors, hospitals etc? They have billions of people.
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by TooBig
Not really since only the democraps voted it in and we found out what a disaster it is.Now to correct the democrap error someone had to come up with a different plan. Most Insurance companies have dropped out so less to chose from. Since your beloved screwed it up someone has to improve what the idiots created.
That's absurd.
Just repeal.
Are all those who supported Trump now thinking that his plan to replace it for everyone is a great idea ?
This truly is surprising.
Unless I missed something, Trump stated he will repeal it and replace it with something better and less expensive.
He did say the to age 26 ? would remain and those 'uninsured' would be covered.
No idea how that would be but did mention about selling across state lines to open up the competition.
Please detail anything about a MANDATE. thank you.
Also ~ health care is NOT mentioned in the US constitution as a "right" ` something the democrats have injected into the story.NO WHERE do I recall him saying it would be mandatory to purchase nor that is would cover everyone.
Yep, and from what Congressmen in my state say, the mandate will go away.
The mandate(TAX) was the mechanism funding ACAs wealth redistribution in the first place.
Once the mandate is gone, the ACA will implode and good riddance.
Why do people think healthcare is a right? That everyone is owed healthcare? If you want it, go earn it.
You have the right to the best healthcare YOU can pay for.
You have the right to the best housing YOU can pay for.
You have the right to the best transportation YOU can pay for.
If all you can afford is a band aid on a bullet wound, cardboard box under a bridge and shanks mare to get around, than it sucks to be you but it's NOT my problem.
quote:
Originally posted by Wrangler
Why do people think healthcare is a right? That everyone is owed healthcare? If you want it, go earn it.
Exactly. I never saw it in the Constitution anywhere. Nor did I see where they were allowed to make paying a private company mandatory or be fined.
Scrap it completely, the the free market pick it up again. Anybody who was grandfathered before the ACA, has to be picked back up if that company is still in biz. Those who got in under the aca, sorry charlie.
How is China setup for healthcare, doctors, hospitals etc? They have billions of people.
Holy C***F******Sh**balls!
You want to model on China?
Maybe healthcare isn't a "right", but this is America, and we are supposed to give a flying F*** about our people.
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by TooBig
Not really since only the democraps voted it in and we found out what a disaster it is.Now to correct the democrap error someone had to come up with a different plan. Most Insurance companies have dropped out so less to chose from. Since your beloved screwed it up someone has to improve what the idiots created.
That's absurd.
Just repeal.
Are all those who supported Trump now thinking that his plan to replace it for everyone is a great idea ?
This truly is surprising.
Unless I missed something, Trump stated he will repeal it and replace it with something better and less expensive.
NO WHERE do I recall him saying it would be mandatory to purchase nor that is would cover everyone.
He did say the to age 26 ? would remain and those 'uninsured' would be covered.
No idea how that would be but did mention about selling across state lines to open up the competition.
Please detail anything about a MANDATE. thank you.
Also ~ health care is NOT mentioned in the US constitution as a "right" ` something the democrats have injected into the story.
First off, since absolutely nothing has been written, you have no idea what Trumpcare will involve.
Secondly, your information is out of date:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-obamacare-idUSKBN15005C
Thirdly, I said nothing about a "mandate".
Please do not attribute something to me with no basis in actual fact.
Since nothing has been written, it is impossible to say that Trump plans to intrude into people's lives even more than Obamacare.
Yet you said just that. Now you say something different.
Just like a good LLMT. Sho nuff.
Absent details, it is premature to suggest that this means that everyone will have insurance, or that everyone will have access to insurance.
He has stated that pre-existing conditions will be covered. He does not state whether or not companies will be able to charge a premium on policies for people with pre-existing conditions. I, for example, should probably be paying 3 - 4 times what the average person my age is paying because of what I have been going through these past 2 years. If this comes to pass, I won't like it a whole lot, but will recognize that it is an equitable position by the insurance companies.
He has also stated that men and women will be allowed to be covered on their parents' insurance plans until they reach the age of 26. This, frankly, is just political pandering.
Trump is correct in pushing the GOP to include a replacement package with the repeal package. The problem is that he seems to be pushing for the perceived benefits of the ACA (and the associated cost) while suggesting that it can be done for dramatically less cost.
I hope he finds something, but we all recognize that any significant savings will require cuts to something.
Brad Steele
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
There should be a lot more focus on repealing and a lot less focus on replacing. IMO.
Yep.
Unlike the Unindicted Conspirator, who was so predictable.
Neal
"Every thing is relative."
It's pretty interesting to note that those who cried so terribly about the intrusion of government into healthcare when the ACA was passed, now have nothing to say when PEOTUS says he is going to do the same thing, but on an even greater extent.
Of course, it's all different, now...
Medical care can be provided for everyone for MUCH LESS MONEY than (ACA) ie: Obamacare. Surely it should be obvious the politicians don't care to really fix the problem or are incapable of doing so but probably a combination of both.
Think,,, blacks being kept poor = average person needs Health Care = DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT results in ACA SAVED MY LIFE (BS).
I have a FAMILY POLICY overseas that costs $35.00 per month. Includes everything my policy includes in the U.S. Including "existing" condition coverage.
BTW: I've never had a problem getting insurance for an existing condition. Simple, go to work or work for a company that furnishes insurance (they all do I think) sign up and WORK,, really hard isn't it ? I can see where some might have a problem depending on their circumstances.
There are some limits for liability but haven't checked. There are no uninsured. The poor signup for insurance and it is for all intents and purposes free. Anyone who makes minimum wage CAN NOT be on the FREE insurance. If they "cheat" and are caught, they are liable for fines and all health care charges.
Policy prices from $30 to $100 Mo. The higher rates give access to all specialists w/o requiring permission from a primary care doctor.
In a good year, out of pocket expenses will be $1,000-2,000; with a major illness or injury, $5,000-8,000 is not uncommon. So, the actual cost of this plan's premiums is $18,000 per year, & the gaps are pretty big. This is in spite of the "buying power" of > 2 million enrollees whose coverage isn't really that great. Unless you have a good union or work for Wall St or the movie industry, you aren't likely to be offered an "affordable" health insurance plan on the ACA replacement.
Beginning in 2016, Congress voted to take themselves out of the FEHB system. They now have to go on the ACA marketplace & select from all the plans offered nationwide. No state limitations for them. Of course, they can select the more expensive plans, as the government will cover at least 60% of the premium. Since most are already millionaires, there have been few complaints.
Neal
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by TooBig
Not really since only the democraps voted it in and we found out what a disaster it is.Now to correct the democrap error someone had to come up with a different plan. Most Insurance companies have dropped out so less to chose from. Since your beloved screwed it up someone has to improve what the idiots created.
That's absurd.
Just repeal.
Are all those who supported Trump now thinking that his plan to replace it for everyone is a great idea ?
This truly is surprising.
Unless I missed something, Trump stated he will repeal it and replace it with something better and less expensive.
NO WHERE do I recall him saying it would be mandatory to purchase nor that is would cover everyone.
He did say the to age 26 ? would remain and those 'uninsured' would be covered.
No idea how that would be but did mention about selling across state lines to open up the competition.
Please detail anything about a MANDATE. thank you.
Also ~ health care is NOT mentioned in the US constitution as a "right" ` something the democrats have injected into the story.
First off, since absolutely nothing has been written, you have no idea what Trumpcare will involve.
Secondly, your information is out of date:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-obamacare-idUSKBN15005C
Thirdly, I said nothing about a "mandate".
Please do not attribute something to me with no basis in actual fact.
Since nothing has been written, it is impossible to say that Trump plans to intrude into people's lives even more than Obamacare.
Yet you said just that. Now you say something different.
Just like a good LLMT. Sho nuff.
Amazing.
Not really. All it takes is observing the nonsense you spew.
You start with this:
quote:It's pretty interesting to note that those who cried so terribly about the intrusion of government into healthcare when the ACA was passed, now have nothing to say when PEOTUS says he is going to do the same thing, but on an even greater extent.
Then when challenged, you move on to this:
quote:First off, since absolutely nothing has been written, you have no idea what Trumpcare will involve.
You state a claim that Trump intends intrusion of government to "an even greater extent" than ObamaCare...then you say no one can have any "idea what Trumpcare will involve".
Notice the logical dysfunction? The cognitive disconnect? Anyone with anything more than SFB would. Interesting you do not. Sho nuff.
I don't care if it produced good results, saved lives and money. The government forcing a citizen to purchase a product simply because they are a living, breathing human being is wrong.
Truly a remarkable display of intellectual inability.
If you wanted to buy insurance you could still partake, but you would no longer have the insurance companies setting the gameshow rates.
Well I hate to be the one who says it, buy AMA did save my life. I no longer have health insurance now because I can't afford it, but after I died and was brought back by cpr and the rescue unit, I had 3 heart surgeries in a row that I could not have had due to pre exsisting condition. Even though BCBS knew I had to have the surgery, they still had to insure me. So my $14,000.00 premium and deductable saved me $198,000.00 in medical cost.
I'm glad you survived.
Thanks for putting a face on the issue.