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Pit bull.
topdad
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Think anybody's gona mess with this kid?
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Think anybody's gona mess with this kid?Only the Pit Bull.
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quote:Originally posted by topdad
Think anybody's gona mess with this kid?
Only the Pit Bull.
For the sake of that precious little girl I pray that dog continues to be mild mannered & never snaps. A bite from any dog can be painful & traumatic.... a Pit tries to kill when it snaps.
Yup....its hard to fight genitics that are a result of untold years of breeding.
Our daughter loves animals, any animals, and when she was young we had to watch her carefully to make sure she didn't rush up to and startle an animal and cause it to react violently. The only time she was ever hurt was once when we were at an office party at a business owner's house. He had an old Collie that should have been locked up, but was sleeping in the back yard. Before we could react, our daughter went up to the dog, didn't bother it, but had her face down near his staring at him. The dog woke up, was startled, and its first reaction was to bite; he nipped the bridge of our daughter's nose; she still has the very small, almost invisible scar almost 30 years later. She learned a very valuable lesson that day; thank goodness it was a minor injury!
I guess parents will do what they feel comfortable doing; good luck to them!
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There is no doubt that pit bulls are bigger, stonger and potentially more dangerous and protective than many other dogs. But there temperment is what people make them. I do not believe it is in thier nature to be vicious any more than any other dog that is treated the same. I don't own one and never have but have had many friends and acquaintances that have and been around many from pups till grown. They are the evil assault weapons among dogs, not any more dangerous than any other, it's just a public perception thing.
They are pretty much typical Terriers with a few differences. They are larger than most Terriers, strong jaws, thick skin, high pain thresholds.
There are a lot of them around, they are a popular dog. Thirty four deaths by Shark attack last year and around 12,000 attacks and not all that many people are exposed to Sharks, many more people are exposed to Terriers.
There was a time when Saint Bernards lead the list in fatal attacks. Just about the time they became popular from the movie Beethoven and the breeders started pumping them out by the thousands.
IMO it is more about the breeders messing up the breed than any sort of training failures or basic viciousness in the breed. They used to cull for people aggression in fighting dogs, now some breeders breed for it. Three basic lines of the breed now, the traditional fighting dogs that are dog aggressive, some so dog aggressive that they attack opposite sex dogs and would rather fight than breed. One line was breed for man aggressiveness, by the breeders in East L.A. I remember when they first started to show up in the early 70's, mostly pimps and dope dealers had them. The new breed, basically Teddy Bears, much like retrievers in disposition. Sure training counts, but IMO not as much as breeding does. Training often goes against instinct and is more likely to fail on occasion than heredity is. I never had to train my gun dog to point, he was born with it, in all likelihood I could have trained him not to point, but he would likely occasionally point anyway, not matter how well trained. If a Terrier is from the man sharp line, they may revert and that is when catastrophy happens.
Before 1970 Terrier maulings were rare. I really don't remember any and most people didn't even bother to fence them in. They'd fight another dog given the chance, but pretty much ignored people. Back then most of the maulings were Shepards, Dobbermans and other traditional guard and protection dogs. The biggest bitters were Cocker Spaniels.
I don't know what to think about this. We have a white German Shepherd that sleeps with are boys all the time. We had one before this one that did the same thing with are oldest son. The dogs choose to sleep with the kids. Most everyone that see's are dog is scared of it until they get to know her and see how gentle she is. So i know dogs can be raised to the point that they would rather die then harm there kids. But then i keep reading about pit bulls turning on there owners or kids.
My basic philosophy is to trust no dog alone with a small child, any dog, no matter how much you trust it. I can pretty much say the same thing about people and my small children. Dogs are generally more sane than people on average IMO, but like people can go off the deep end on occasion.
I had a medium vicious dog, unless you were escorted you were going to get bitten, he was a guard dog and took his job seriously. He never bite a child, never even growled at one. Nothing I taught him, he was born with it.
There have been at least three instances of Fox jumping in nursery windows and chewing a babies faces off. They are wild animals, dogs began as wild animals and were slowly culled over many hundreds (thousands) of years. IMO you aren't really ever going to completely undo thousands of year of natural selection, no matter how careful you breed.
Dogs are pretty far down my list of things to worry about, cars, falls, drowning, poison and people are way higher on my list of things to watch out for.
Wikipedia isn't the best, but this was quicker than looking everything up.
"Despite the laws making dog fighting illegal the activity continued for many years. Breeders determined a cross between the Old English Bulldog and Old English Terrier created a superior fighting dog with increased quickness and dexterity. This new breed of dog, called the Bull and Terrier, was a precursor to the Bull Terrier and Pit Bull Terrier and accelerated the extinction of the Old English Bulldog."
All such positions amount to self delusional bullcrap.
I've seen kids get bit, including babies, by much loved household pets that everyone trusted. Most of those were bit by pit bulls.
Beautiful child in the above image, total sweetie pie. Puts a smile on my old graying head. She deserves a nice puppy to grow up with.
Maybe a Labrador or Golden Retriever.
Being the fair and open-minded sort of person that I am, I would love to see some statistics on aggressiveness in pit bulls from accredited breeders and incidences from adoptions and otherwise acquired.
I am definitely biased against pits because my kid's Golden was attacked by a pit while they were just out on a walk (Golden was on a leash. Pit broke it's lead to attack) . I was told by local SPCA they could do nothing about the pit, even though when he was adopted they knew he had a history of "animal aggression," but since he had not been aggressive toward a human, it was still considered "adoptable."
Being the fair and open-minded sort of person that I am, I would love to see some statistics on aggressiveness in pit bulls from accredited breeders and incidences from adoptions and otherwise acquired.
IMO you really have to separate general aggression, aggression towards other dogs or animals and aggression towards people. They really aren't the same things. You even have to figure in a sexual component, male and female,and pre pubescent and post pubescent. And even territorial aggression, things are going to be different in your yard and someplace else.
I've had many Terriers. Most would run a mile to get in a fight with another dog, none was likely to bite a person unless they were being messed with. None were likely to bite a child. If they did bite a person it was likely to be a warning bite,they nip and then let go.
I had a Staffordshire Bull Terrier that was defiantly a people friendly dog, but would chew through a chain link fence run a half mile and latch onto another male dog. He was a real PITA. I think the chance of him ever biting a person are close to zero. My kids would sit on him.
I've got a Plummer Terrier (maybe 15 pounds), who killed a full grown Shepard. That Shepard had come after me on a few occasions (the neighbors dog), if he got out he'd make a run at me, most of it was bluff. He screwed up one morning and made a run at me and my Terrier latched onto his neck and refused to let go. Aggression comes in degrees, a warning bite or a nip means leave me alone and isn't particularly aggressive. Latching on and only letting go to get a better hold and that shaking of the head from side to side, is almost like blind fury. I really can't envision him letting the inner beast go, with a person, I'll never say never, but really really unlikely. He might give someone, a let me alone, bite.
My Weimaraner was somewhat person aggressive, only males and only adults. He wasn't dog aggressive, except to protect himself. He'd tear a Fox into tiny little pieces if I let him. He'd point, retrieve and work a field in a grid by instinct. He was Breed typical, I knew what to expect when I got him.
Stupid breeders can really ruin a breed. I think it was the Argentinean Pit Bull (Mastiff?) that was so dog aggressive that they couldn't breed them and they became extinct.
I dearly love dogs, cannot remember an age so young that I didn't feel that way. But it is a common human failing to rationalize away risk, ignoring all evidence to the contrary of a deeply held personally important belief. This applies to all persons who would claim pit bulls can be trusted if you just raise them to be nice.
All such positions amount to self delusional bullcrap.
I've seen kids get bit, including babies, by much loved household pets that everyone trusted. Most of those were bit by pit bulls.
Beautiful child in the above image, total sweetie pie. Puts a smile on my old graying head. She deserves a nice puppy to grow up with.
Maybe a Labrador or Golden Retriever.
The ONE AND ONLY dog that ever bit me and did any damage,was a BLACK LAB.
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