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Union Teachers at Work
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(CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest.
In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009-the latest year available-only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a "proficient" rating while another 2 percent earned an "advanced" rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below "proficient," including 44 percent who earned a rating of "basic" and 22 percent who earned a rating of "below basic."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g
When I went to school, 100% of 8th graders could read at 8th grade level. If you couldn't, you weren't in 8th grade. Of course that was at a time when class sizes were too big and teachers weren't paid enough.
In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009-the latest year available-only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a "proficient" rating while another 2 percent earned an "advanced" rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below "proficient," including 44 percent who earned a rating of "basic" and 22 percent who earned a rating of "below basic."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g
When I went to school, 100% of 8th graders could read at 8th grade level. If you couldn't, you weren't in 8th grade. Of course that was at a time when class sizes were too big and teachers weren't paid enough.
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Of course the MAIN reason we were better at reading: NO UNION TEACHERS!!!
When I went to school, 100% of 8th graders could read at 8th grade level. If you couldn't, you weren't in 8th grade. Of course that was at a time when class sizes were too big and teachers weren't paid enough.
Actually, that was at a time when if you didn't make the grade, you got held back. Schools will rarely hold a student back now because "it will damage their self esteem." [xx(]
You're taking two unrelated facts and joining them as cause and effect.
Tenure is the ideology that one has been in a position long enough that they no longer have to excel anymore. It's like they can finally kick back & relax.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. My kids are now in high school and have been taught at home since day one. Too bad the state takes 33% of my property tax and uses it wastefully in our local school system......which is failing.
Tenure is over rated. All it means is that I've put my time in, so don't mess with me.
Tenure is the ideology that one has been in a position long enough that they no longer have to excel anymore. It's like they can finally kick back & relax.
We're not talking about tenure. We're talking about unions. But as for tenure, I can see the benefits of it, but the negative far outweighs the benefits in my opinion.
blame the brainless school boards and their PC ways
if the teachers were NOT Union, they would be canned for some stupid chickenpoop PC excuse in today's PC school system.
blame the brainless school boards and their PC ways
The teachers at my wife's school are very outspoken about idiotic policies in their district. Without the union, none of them would be able to speak freely.
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
if the teachers were NOT Union, they would be canned for some stupid chickenpoop PC excuse in today's PC school system.
blame the brainless school boards and their PC ways
The teachers at my wife's school are very outspoken about idiotic policies in their district. Without the union, none of them would be able to speak freely.
How's that teacher 'speaking freely' working out for the kids? I'd rather have my kids learn how to read and write than have the teachers 'speaking freely'.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
if the teachers were NOT Union, they would be canned for some stupid chickenpoop PC excuse in today's PC school system.
blame the brainless school boards and their PC ways
The teachers at my wife's school are very outspoken about idiotic policies in their district. Without the union, none of them would be able to speak freely.
How's that teacher 'speaking freely' working out for the kids? I'd rather have my kids learn how to read and write than have the teachers 'speaking freely'.
if you haven't noticed he meant speaking out against the idiot school board...the same idiots who saddle teachers with policies that make any actual teaching virtually impossible. I doubt that very many teachers approve of dumbing down the curriculum so as not to hurt the feelings of the failures in the class.
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
if the teachers were NOT Union, they would be canned for some stupid chickenpoop PC excuse in today's PC school system.
blame the brainless school boards and their PC ways
The teachers at my wife's school are very outspoken about idiotic policies in their district. Without the union, none of them would be able to speak freely.
How's that teacher 'speaking freely' working out for the kids? I'd rather have my kids learn how to read and write than have the teachers 'speaking freely'.
Well, so far, the kids are losing because my wife's school is the only one in the district that will speak out against the administration. They wanted a new Language Arts curriculum which tested very well but the administration said that they didn't have the money. It was only an additional $5,000 for the next three years. The administration then went and committed to have some "guru" come to the school ONE DAY PER YEAR for the next three years at a cost of $45,000 to "teach the teachers new techniques." My wife said that he didn't teach ANYTHING that she didn't already know from getting her teaching credential except for a game to help improve behavior.
So tell me, who is really screwing up? The teachers? Or the administration?
I don't think it's so much the quality of the teacher, as it is the quality of the student now-a-days.
Kids these days, suck. [:(]
+1 And many of the parents aren't much better. If their kid is getting bad grades, they blame the teacher.
When I was in school, if I got a bad grade, I wasn't doing anything fun until my grades improved.
And we didn't have free breakfast and lunches, and there was lead affecting our brains, and we lived in places where cribs were unsafe, and no car seats, and..........
Of course the MAIN reason we were better at reading: NO UNION TEACHERS!!!
Or it could be that you had parents that gave a damn....
the words of the late Albert Shanker. Shanker was the president of the American Federation of Teachers from 1964 to 1984. A reporter approached Shanker at a union convention to ask about the nature of the resolutions being presented for consideration by the teachers. The reporter wanted to know why the bulk of the deliberations at the convention were about fighting school choice and more benefits and pay for teachers, while very little was being said about the actual students. Shanker's response? "I will worry about the children when they can vote in union elections."
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/when-school-children-start-paying-union-dues-that/570022.html
the words of the late Albert Shanker. Shanker was the president of the American Federation of Teachers from 1964 to 1984. A reporter approached Shanker at a union convention to ask about the nature of the resolutions being presented for consideration by the teachers. The reporter wanted to know why the bulk of the deliberations at the convention were about fighting school choice and more benefits and pay for teachers, while very little was being said about the actual students. Shanker's response? "I will worry about the children when they can vote in union elections."
Your point? He's not acting as a teacher. He's acting as a union representative. It is his job to consider the best interest of the those he represents, the teachers. It is the teachers' and parents' job to look out for the children. It is the administration's job to listen to the teachers and parents. As it stands right now, they don't (or can't because of stupid legistlation) listen to the teachers or parents at all so performance drops. The teachers speak up because they know they have the union to protect them.