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Easy fix for the furnace, and a $100 lesson.

dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
The heater would only run for a few minutes, then kick off and stay off for a while. It would fire back up and run a minute, then shut off again.

The thermostat was set at 72, but it read 66 as the actual temperature. It just wouldn't run long enough to get the house warmed up before it would cut off.

I thought it had been working fine until today, and the temp outside was in the low 40's, but Sandy said it did the same thing in the cold snap a few weeks ago.

I reached up to the outlet to see if the air was warm when it was running, and it was, but I noticed the volume was low.

A few months ago, I put in one of those super-duper air filters because I noticed a little dust on the vents and decided the filters I was using were not doing a good job. This thing is a three stage filter and I have to clean it every 30 days or less, so I thought it was doing a good job.

On a hunch, I replaced it with one of the regular filters, and suddenly the heater runs fine and stays on until the house is warm before it shuts off. It also allows the air to flow like it always did.

I'm convinced that this filter was reducing the flow through the heat exchanger causing the furnace to overheat and shut off before it had the house warmed up.

Well, that was $100 down the drain, but at least the house is warm.[^]

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  • Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,697 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, I tried one of the filters that filtered out "atoms", but while it did a great job of filtering out virtually everything, the system wasn't efficient. So, I went back to a Filtrete 600 and change it every 30 days.

    If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!

  • utbrowningmanutbrowningman Member Posts: 2,772 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    $0.98 fiberglass filter every 30 days.
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I tell all of my customers not to buy those filters. They DO reduce the air flow of the blower and cause all kinds of problems. The cheapo filters still stop 99.9 % of all dust particals and allow the air to flow like it should.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 3M Filtrete filters do an outstanding job. But, they are just the "residential" version of the pleated fabric filters that commercial firms have been using for many years. (I buy Farr filters in quantity from my local HVAC supply store, a lot cheaper.)

    Fiberglass filters do little to remove particles smaller than a tennis ball. They are a waste of money, & your fan motor life will be shortened.

    Neal
  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Oakie
    I tell all of my customers not to buy those filters. They DO reduce the air flow of the blower and cause all kinds of problems. The cheapo filters still stop 99.9 % of all dust particals and allow the air to flow like it should.

    So just buy the cheap fiberglass (usually blue I think) filter instead of the ones that supposedly reduce all the bad stuff in the air?

    How often do you replace them in a no pet nonsmoking 3000sq ft house? Is there a set period, or just replace it when it starts looking dirty?
  • woodshed87woodshed87 Member Posts: 23,478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I Just use the Fiberglass Cheapies
    Hey I Blow them Out with Compressor And Put em Back in

    Works For Me [:D][:D]
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by woodshed87
    I Just use the Fiberglass Cheapies
    Hey I Blow them Out with Compressor And Put em Back in

    Works For Me [:D][:D]
    Me too but, on the A/c.Ain't no "heaters" round'here!!![^][^][:D][:)]
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    dusty country here so i use merv8 rated paper filters ...tried different this year and placed one over each of the large floor grates and only used one instead of two in furnace intake...cleaner air and more flow....
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bhale187
    quote:Originally posted by Oakie
    I tell all of my customers not to buy those filters. They DO reduce the air flow of the blower and cause all kinds of problems. The cheapo filters still stop 99.9 % of all dust particals and allow the air to flow like it should.

    So just buy the cheap fiberglass (usually blue I think) filter instead of the ones that supposedly reduce all the bad stuff in the air?

    How often do you replace them in a no pet nonsmoking 3000sq ft house? Is there a set period, or just replace it when it starts looking dirty?

    In your case sounds like about every 3 months would do it.

    I use PSF media in custom made frames myself, and that's about the time frame I use.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 14,159 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm running an experiment this winter with a separate high volume air filter. It has the added feature of circulating air in the basement better. So far I can't see much difference so maybe I blew $100+ also.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I forgot to change the filter when we started using the heater again.[:I] I will do it now.
  • dongizmodongizmo Member Posts: 14,477 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I use the blue ones with a filter booster spray on it....
    Don
    The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.
  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,044 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I'm convinced that this filter was reducing the flow through the heat exchanger causing the furnace to overheat and shut off before it had the house warmed up.............DING!, the 'enhanced' filters do a great job of filtering out the 'fines' but also reduce air flow. you should go to a larger filter (may need ductwork alterations). most furnace installers put in the minimum size (or smaller!) filter. To work properly the filter must be sized for the btu output of the furnace (and/or air conditioner).
  • CSI21CSI21 Member Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I use the pleated paper type, I have four dogs in the house and it catches alot of the hair. I try and change them every month. It has made a big difference between them and the fiberglass ones.
  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,091 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Oakie
    I tell all of my customers not to buy those filters. They DO reduce the air flow of the blower and cause all kinds of problems. The cheapo filters still stop 99.9 % of all dust particals and allow the air to flow like it should.

    That is exactly what my HVAC guy told me. I now only use the cheap ones.
  • buddybbuddyb Member Posts: 5,393 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I change hundreds of filters a month doing industrial HVAC work.I have access to most any filter I need.I would never use a fiberglass filter in my unit at home because while it does have good air flow,it does almost nothing as a filter.The pleated filters do a much better job of filtering,but I think they may have too much restriction for a average home system.I use a polyester filter at home because it filters well and has little restriction.I use a metal frame with replaceable media.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buddyb
    I change hundreds of filters a month doing industrial HVAC work.I have access to most any filter I need.I would never use a fiberglass filter in my unit at home because while it does have good air flow,it does almost nothing as a filter.The pleated filters do a much better job of filtering,but I think they may have too much restriction for a average home system.I use a polyester filter at home because it filters well and has little restriction.I use a metal frame with replaceable media.
    Same thing I use, and posted up above.
    Also I am quite familiar with changing hundreds of filters a month doing PM's.[:D]

    I had frames made from PrecisionAire to fit my 3 returns, and simply remove the old PSF pad when needed,.....drop a new one in. I cut a couple years worth of pads at a time and store them in my garage.

    About as cheap as it gets, plus is slightly better at filtration than the spun fiberglass ones.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • minitruck83minitruck83 Member Posts: 5,369
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
    quote:Originally posted by woodshed87
    I Just use the Fiberglass Cheapies
    Hey I Blow them Out with Compressor And Put em Back in

    Works For Me [:D][:D]
    Me too but, on the A/c.Ain't no "heaters" round'here!!![^][^][:D][:)]


    I see you didn't have your bare feet on that tile about daylight this morning.

    [B)]

    Allen
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    Only place I use filters is on the woodstove; they look great, and burn clean.
  • Cling2mygunsCling2myguns Member Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FYI. If you have a gas furnace that all of a sudden starts acting like the above symptoms, many times it is just a dirty flame sensor, which is a little wire like piece that goes in front of one of the orifices and sends a small electric current when it is heated to the circuit board controller to tell it that indeed there is a flame. These can get dirty from the ash in the natural gas and stop working. I had a Lennox furnace in my old house that almost every year I had to take out this piece which is mounted with a screw on the burner plate, and clean it, then viola the furnace worked great again for another year. Just be sure to clean it gently and with no chemicals because it relies on a dissimilar metal reaction to create the voltage, and can be damaged quite easily. Or you can call a repair guy (which I never did) and spend probably $75 for a new sensor and $100 for the service call.
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