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fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
edited October 2012 in General Discussion
I've seen where #4 buckshot is recommended because it does not overpenetrate interior walls as bad as 00 buck. However cannot find any data on low recoil 00 buck as compared to #4 buckshot. Anybody have a link or any info that would be helpful?
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Moot point.

    Recoil is ounces of shot times FPS.
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    The recoil isn't my concern it is the penetration through layers of sheetrock. I would assume that since low recoil 00 buck has a lower velocity that it would have less penetration than regular 00 buck, but I am not sure how it compares to #4 buckshot.
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  • Joes Custom GunsJoes Custom Guns Member Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do you want to STOP HIM?

    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    Moot point.

    Recoil is ounces of shot times FPS.
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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    00 Buck was what we carried for anti personal.

    Shotgun slugs was for stopping cars.
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    00 Buck was what we carried for anti personal.

    Shotgun slugs was for stopping cars.
    I'm not really that worried about a car coming inside.[;)]
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    ,,,this might help,,,,[;)]

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/
    So low recoil 00 buck penetrates a good bit more in the gelatin. Good to know.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I ever have to shoot somebody with a shotgun, the last thing I'm worried about is too much penetration.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    If I ever have to shoot somebody with a shotgun, the last thing I'm worried about is too much penetration.
    I have family in the house.
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  • MudderChuckMudderChuck Member Posts: 4,105
    edited November -1
    Do what I did, take some 3/4" inch planks Move them out to fifteen feet and see what happens. The results might surprise you. At fifteen feet an ounce of shot is pretty much an ounce of shot.

    Buck penetrates, the FBI uses number 4 because it is the smallest they can shoot and still have any hopes of penetrating a car body or windshield. Double 00 penetrates better, whatever you shoot will likely eventually bleed out faster.

    I've shot many Foxes with 00 and a few feral Cats. They all kept right on running. Goose shot drops them in a pile, 2 shot is big enough to get through the fur (clothing) and packs more punch (but less penetration) than 00 or 4 buck in general. But like I said at distances of the average room or hallway, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference an ounce is pretty much an ounce and it doesn't start spreading out much at those distances..

    IMO if you want to stop them use 2 shot or BB, if you want to kill them use Buck. But I wouldn't count on Buck stopping somebody determined. I would count on 2 shot or BB stopping them and likely backing them up a step or more.

    IMO the only good thing about Buck is you have a bit more range.

    The main difference IMO between Buck and 2 shot is Buck is like getting stabled with a steel rod 9-12 times as opposed to getting hit with a rather large hammer at 10-15 yards, with 2 shot or BB.

    If Buckshot won't stop a Fox most times, what are the chances of it stopping a human. We are talking about stopping not killing, Buck will likely eventually bleed somebody out faster.

    People have been telling me I'm full of it forever, when I go Fox or Yote hunting I take the 2 shot 2 3/4 magnum and leave the 00 at home.

    The first round in my home defense shotgun is skeet shot, backed by a couple of 2 shot and then a slug.
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  • oldrideroldrider Member Posts: 4,934 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a man in my area who uses a helicopter to slow down the feral hog explosion on cropland, Dawson county, Texas.

    They use #4's.
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  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 14,706 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As far as shooting a person inside your home goes bird shot at 50ft or less will also kill you.
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
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  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Start light with trap loads and move up each shell 4 buck then00 then slug. If you haven't stopped them by then who cares what you hit them with;
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  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106 ✭
    edited November -1
    No.4 birdshot will nearly cut a man in half at close range. Home defense will always be in close quarters, not at anything much more than a few feet. Perhaps ten or fifteen feet at the outside.

    Birdshot at these ranges is deadly. It also looses energy quickly past short ranges and even one layer of sheetrock will slow things down considerably. This gives innocents at least a degree of safety.

    One point I'd make here is that I'd not hesitate to attempt to take out an intruder on the other side of a wall at close range. Even if he (or she) survived there would be an issue of picking pellets, sheet rock, and splinters of studding out of a massive wound. My guess is that any hostile intentions on the part of this type of enemy would immediately dissipate should one be blessed with a load of 4's.
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  • SwanKongSwanKong Member Posts: 989 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    12 ga. 3" Duplex 2X4..
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  • Riomouse911Riomouse911 Member Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1 Buck. The best of 00 and #4 buckshot in one effective package. I use it in the 12 gauge (870) and 16 gauge (Lefever coach SxS) for home defense.
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  • edgecamedgecam Member Posts: 3,280
    edited November -1
    If it helps any I use #2 2 3/4 in my home defense gun
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  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534 ✭
    edited November -1
    Inside the house? Close neighbors and family in the house?

    Then #6 birdshot.

    Ever see anyone or anything take a hit with #6 at close range? Makes a mess.
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  • MossbergboogieMossbergboogie Member Posts: 12,211
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
    Inside the house? Close neighbors and family in the house?

    Then #6 birdshot.

    Ever see anyone or anything take a hit with #6 at close range? Makes a mess.


    Seen cows shot point blank with #7.5, not messy at all. Just leaves a 1/2 in hole.
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  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443 ✭
    edited November -1
    I hate to be the one to ask, but why a shotgun?

    There are a lot of firearms I'd rather use for home defense.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
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