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Any Jet Fighter Pilots in here?

walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
edited May 2017 in General Discussion
What is the approximant bare minimum in feet do you need to perform this maneuver

A-1,500 ft.
B-2,000 ft.
C-2,500 ft.
D-3,000 ft.
E-3,500 ft.
D-4,000 ft.
E-4,500 ft.
F-5,000 ft
G.-5,500 ft.
H-6,000 ft.
I- 6,500 ft.


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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Split S is an air combat maneuver mostly used to disengage from combat. To execute a Split S, the pilot half-rolls his/her aircraft inverted and executes a descending half-loop, resulting in level flight in the exact opposite direction at a lower altitude
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  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
    98.997% of us will not know...

    But we still read the thread as it progresses.

    Mike

    [:D]
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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm going to say B
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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NO, NO I'll say H
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  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'll say A
    Full afterburner pulling 8+ G's saying that was a hell of a ride......
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,277 ******
    edited November -1
    I used to be a pilot.
    Worked at a saw mill.
    They would saw it,
    and I would pile it.
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  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 37,717 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    depends on the model of kamakize plane
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,524 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    all of the above added together.
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  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,041 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I just tried it with my grandsons fighter,,,did it in about one foot of space. Tough turning the wrists though..WHEW.
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An outside loop? Way more than your options. You pull (actually push) negative Gs doing that maneuver, and you can't withstand more than about 3 to 3.5 -Gs before "redding out" due to blood flooding the brain and eyes.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bY4iCx7Vps
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    NEVER ask a man if he is a fighter pilot.




    If he's not, you'll embarrass him.




    If he is, he'll tell you that within 2 minutes.




    [:p]
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your graphic does NOT show a Split-S, but an outside loop. Yuuuuge difference.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Your graphic does NOT show a Split-S, but an outside loop. Yuuuuge difference.


    Yah I know

    My pic didn?t want to turn the way I wanted it to.

    In the video did he say 2,000 ft. I could not understand him.
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I understood the video to say that the MiG started the Split-S maneuver from 3,500 feet. Even from that altitude, he must have pulled 9+ Gs near the bottom to barely clear the ground.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,770 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wallie
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Your graphic does NOT show a Split-S, but an outside loop. Yuuuuge difference.


    Yah I know

    My pic didn?t want to turn the way I wanted it to.

    In the video did he say 2,000 ft. I could not understand him.


    I heard 3000 and the normal is 6500.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The minimum bare feet you need is anything greater than zero when you are at the bottom.

    The minimum from which to start depends upon the optimum performance speed of the aircraft. At some confluence of lift vs. speed, one will find the point where the loop radius is at a minimum. This may occur at a slower speed than that necessary to generate maximum lift, as a 6G maneuver at 200 knots will be tighter than a 9G maneuver at 600 knots.
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  • Rocky RaabRocky Raab Member Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That'd be true if you could pull 6 Gs at 200 knots. You can't of course - at least not more than momentarily. Because that immediately puts you in a high-speed full stall, which loses altitude. Rapidly.

    There is indeed a minimum-radius Split-S, and it varies with air density (altitude), power available, airspeed, G-limits of plane and pilot - and luck. The problem is finding that minimum while actually doing it as the ground hurtles toward you. The instinct is to pull harder, which isn't always the best solution. And it can be your final one.
    I may be a bit crazy - but I didn't drive myself.
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  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think it's interesting that the jet turns from an SU-27 to an F-15 and back...that's a neat trick! Don't know how much altitude you need for that, though.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
    I used to be a pilot.
    Worked at a saw mill.
    They would saw it,
    and I would pile it.
    [:D]
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
    I used to be a pilot.
    Worked at a saw mill.
    They would saw it,
    and I would pile it.

    That sounds like a better job than being a moanback. My brother-in-law used to be a moanback but he couldn't handle the stress. [;)] [:D]
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    quote:Originally posted by wallie
    quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
    Your graphic does NOT show a Split-S, but an outside loop. Yuuuuge difference.


    Yah I know

    My pic didn?t want to turn the way I wanted it to.

    In the video did he say 2,000 ft. I could not understand him.


    I heard 3000 and the normal is 6500.
    Same here.
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