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Police shoot man holding his wallet ?

serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
edited March 2014 in General Discussion
I guess they have a right to shoot you if you have anything in your hand at the time of the escalation! But damn quick draw is the name of the game for a lawman!

serf

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/michael-davidson/


"Michael said he heard screaming or hollering and he saw the lights. He realized it was a police vehicle and he raised up his hand. He had his billfold at the time he was turning around saying `I am an Airman headed to my-' and that is as far as he got. As he turned around he felt something hit him and he had been shot," Billy said.
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  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unreal. What is happening in police departments?
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  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431 ✭
    edited November -1
    Let's hope the dashcam video isn't lost or damaged.
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  • partisanpartisan Member Posts: 6,414
    edited November -1
    I'm not going to comment on this with so little details available. Really, we didn't hear any details leading up to the shooting.
    There are a couple of cops on here that are always on ready to play the "cop hater card" at the drop of the hat. I hope we can get more details as to what actually happened.[;)][;)]
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Killed for reckless driving on a rainy night.

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  • eastbankeastbank Member Posts: 4,052 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    let the always defend the leo,s crowd call you a police hater, i then like to call them haters of any one who wants honest police men who do their jobs with pride with in the law. according to T.S. uncle albert,one of the i don,t get it crowd.
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  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599 ✭
    edited November -1
    bunch of punk cops afraid of their shadow....with the mentality shoot him he is putting his hand in his pocket
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  • laylandadlaylandad Member Posts: 961 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    This happened in my hometown. My Dad is an investigator with the OPD. I'm curious about all of the info as well, and have asked him and I have yet to get an answer. They are on a gag order until the ABI concludes their investigation. Remember that there is always two sides to the story. I do know that the Chief of Police there is a retired FBI agent, so hopefully, they will be very thorough in the investigation.


    I'm in no way taking sides here. It is a bad situation and I don't think it will end well for the city.
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by partisan
    I'm not going to comment on this with so little details available. Really, we didn't hear any details leading up to the shooting.
    There are a couple of cops on here that are always on ready to play the "cop hater card" at the drop of the hat. I hope we can get more details as to what actually happened.[;)][;)]


    Prudent decision, there is very little information to go on at present, hopefully there will be transparency and accountability.
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  • JunkballerJunkballer Member Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Chief and Dept. "fully supports" the shooter ??? Sounds like the cop is afraid of his own shadow and should change professions. [:(!]

    "Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee

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  • capguncapgun Member Posts: 1,848 ✭
    edited November -1
    "In the prepared statement, Chief McEachern said the officer "perceived a threat" and "Officer Hancock then pulled his service weapon and fired two shots at the suspect. One of the shots fired struck Airman Michael Davidson." It is hard to follow up on these occurrences, because in officer involved shootings the investigation always takes months. How it takes months to investigate a situation where you have all the witnesses and all the evidence you are going to get right at the scene is beyond me. Luckily the criminal investigations we conduct on a daily basis where all the investigative evidence and all the parties involved are at the scene do not take months to investigate. What should be a high priority and immediately done investigation, always seems to intentionally be delayed.
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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Really need to know what happened before.

    Why would an officer arrive and think something other than an accident happened. Had something been happening with trucks robbed my someone causing an accident. Did dispatch say there was someone with a gun Maybe at a different location, but all the officer heard was gun.

    Will have to say it doesn't sound right but then I wasn't there.
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  • capguncapgun Member Posts: 1,848 ✭
    edited November -1
    One thing I can tell you from experience. When an officer screws up and shoots someone without cause the information and dash cams are delayed and very slow to be made public, hoping public scrutiny will go away. Forget the transparency, "we are still investigating". When the shooting is good the department immediately releases information and dash cams and body cams showing the officers justification for the shooting. Press conferences are held holding up the suspects gun, etc.
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It comes as no surprise to see the OP choosing to post an article which omits what most would view as highly significant information. [:D]

    All other news accounts state an open package of salvia (a form of synthetic marijuana) and multiple empty packets were found in this guy's vehicle. It's not uncommon at all to see this sort of stuff being used by people subject to random UA's.

    This likely had something to do with the cops receiving a citizen report of this guy driving poorly/recklessly - as also stated in other media accounts - and him ending up running into an 18-wheeler on the interstate.

    It also casts very reasonable doubt on the accuracy of that guy's account of exactly what took place out there on the side of the road.

    A lot remains to be seen on this one.
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    if you agree with this story then you are a cop hater











    hey it works for using the race card
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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As I mentioned in another thread, THIS is why good cops are lumped with bad cops. The good cops protect the bad ones.
    From the story, good judgement and temperment seem to be lacking while cowardice is over-abundant in the shooter.

    Rather than the chief saying the department supports the shooter, why doesn't he reserve that until the investigation is concluded? He might end up having to fire or arrest the guy.
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    It comes as no surprise to see the OP choosing to post an article which omits what most would view as highly significant information. [:D]

    All other news accounts state an open package of salvia (a form of synthetic marijuana) and multiple empty packets were found in this guy's vehicle. It's not uncommon at all to see this sort of stuff being used by people subject to random UA's.

    This likely had something to do with the cops receiving a citizen report of this guy driving poorly/recklessly - as also stated in other media accounts - and him ending up running into an 18-wheeler on the interstate.

    It also casts very reasonable doubt on the accuracy of that guy's account of exactly what took place out there on the side of the road.

    A lot remains to be seen on this one.


    I have no knowledge of the case but here in my city cops use to throw down evidence on bad guys to get rid of them permanently. IF the airmen was high on bath salts/synthetic pot then the cop should have been cautious but the suspect was outside his car so the cop had no warning of possible drug use until after the fact. Unless he searched his car before confronting him.

    Nice try on however on trying to discredit me here.


    You /might/should ask what are the light conditions for the officer to discern the fact the guy had a wallet and not a gun.

    Videos are coming into law enforcement more and more to protect the innocence and the police officer at the same time.Who is guilty of excessive force here is a very thin line between right and wrong.

    serf
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  • JunkballerJunkballer Member Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The shooting of a Federal military person on a Federal interstate should be reason enough to cause a Federal investigation, don't depend on this Chief and his Dept. for a non biased investigation since he already stated in the article they "fully support" their officer.

    "Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee

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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by serf
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    It comes as no surprise to see the OP choosing to post an article which omits what most would view as highly significant information. [:D]

    All other news accounts state an open package of salvia (a form of synthetic marijuana) and multiple empty packets were found in this guy's vehicle. It's not uncommon at all to see this sort of stuff being used by people subject to random UA's.

    This likely had something to do with the cops receiving a citizen report of this guy driving poorly/recklessly - as also stated in other media accounts - and him ending up running into an 18-wheeler on the interstate.

    It also casts very reasonable doubt on the accuracy of that guy's account of exactly what took place out there on the side of the road.

    A lot remains to be seen on this one.


    I have no knowledge of the case...In that case you might expand your news sources. It's tough to find a media story on this incident which doesn't mention that drugs were found in the guy's car. [:D]

    You missed my point that the story you posted only contains an account by someone who was very likely under the influence of drugs at the time. The facts are that he was driving so poorly/erratically that other motorists were calling 911 on him, he plowed into an 18 wheeler on an interstate and evidence of drug use was found in his car.

    His hospital treatment records will give a go/no-go on whether he had drugs in his system at the time, with the packages found narrowing down precisely which synthetic to test for.

    This is only one of several things I was referring to when I stated that at this stage a lot remains to be seen. It's a matter of conclusions vs. informed conclusions.
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  • 0oAKo47o00oAKo47o0 Member Posts: 409 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just for the record, salvia is NOT a form of synthetic marijuana. In fact its not even synthetic. Its a 'mild' psychedelic that has been used by certain indigenous tribes for thousands of years. Most places its not a scheduled drug and the effects literally last about 2-5 minutes.

    Sounds like he may have been smoking spice.

    There is a problem with the use of synthetic drugs in all branches of the military.
    and I wouldn't doubt for a second that the airmen may have been DWI,
    That still doesn't change the fact a man was shot for no reason.
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  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    An de always gots de thow down guns n grugs [:(!]
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  • serfserf Member Posts: 9,217 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    quote:Originally posted by serf
    quote:Originally posted by Txs
    It comes as no surprise to see the OP choosing to post an article which omits what most would view as highly significant information. [:D]

    All other news accounts state an open package of salvia (a form of synthetic marijuana) and multiple empty packets were found in this guy's vehicle. It's not uncommon at all to see this sort of stuff being used by people subject to random UA's.

    This likely had something to do with the cops receiving a citizen report of this guy driving poorly/recklessly - as also stated in other media accounts - and him ending up running into an 18-wheeler on the interstate.

    It also casts very reasonable doubt on the accuracy of that guy's account of exactly what took place out there on the side of the road.

    A lot remains to be seen on this one.


    I have no knowledge of the case...In that case you might expand your news sources. It's tough to find a media story on this incident which doesn't mention that drugs were found in the guy's car. [:D]

    You missed my point that the story you posted only contains an account by someone who was very likely under the influence of drugs at the time. The facts are that he was driving so poorly/erratically that other motorists were calling 911 on him, he plowed into an 18 wheeler on an interstate and evidence of drug use was found in his car.

    His hospital treatment records will give a go/no-go on whether he had drugs in his system at the time, with the packages found narrowing down precisely which synthetic to test for.

    This is only one of several things I was referring to when I stated that at this stage a lot remains to be seen. It's a matter of conclusions vs. informed conclusions.


    Light conditions of time of the shooting & the arrest is the most important,have you any idea? Nope!All you have is presumptions until after his trials in a court of law. The man was gunned down unarmed and could have been tasered in my opinion

    serf
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