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Forgot he had someone else's M16, 8 years

andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
edited April 2014 in General Discussion
What do you guys think? Forgiveable human error or irresponsible handling of a machinegun?

http://www.gunnews.com/missing-m-16-found-deputys-home-8-years/
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  • danielgagedanielgage Member Posts: 10,583 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    no punishment needed

    he was honest it sounds like
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  • AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Much ado about nothing. He was qualified to have it, he checked it out, nobody knew it was missing, nobody asked him for it back. As soon as he heard it was missing, he checked and returned it. One can only wish that a neighbor borrowing your chain saw or lawn mower would be as responsible. This is a gun forum; we think of guns as tools or recreation equipment. We, here, should know this is no big deal! The media--not so much.
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  • booter_onebooter_one Member Posts: 2,345 ✭
    edited November -1
    His punishment should be to clean the missing weapon.

    Sounds like a legit reason as to the missing item.

    Sometime back, an article in Spokane Wash., an FBI guy, left his automatic weapon in the back seat and it was stolen, now that situation was negligence. Never did hear anymore about the missing item.[;)]

    The individual who was sent abroad, had his weapon secured.
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  • claysclays Member Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a hard time believing he never looked in his gun safe and saw that rifle. Only after he read there was an investigation into it's where-abouts did he decide to turn it in.

    Wonder if BATF would accept an excuse of (Oh, sorry, I just forgot to register that machine gun), from a private citizen?
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have to provide an annual audit for all of our DRMO rifles(not to mention that I see them twice a year on Range days). That includes a picture of each ones serial numbers. I have a hard time believing that he forgot? I don't know that he was planning to "permanently deprive" and steal the rifle, but I think he liked having it at his house.
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  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    I agree with the thought process that he knew it was there all along and was just playing for time hoping that if enough went by, it would be forgotten about or at least untrackable. When he caught wind of the investigation, he suddenly remembered the gun and turned it in. I don't buy it.

    As far as punishment, I think this is a case where the story, while bull crap, is just good enough to get him out of it. Pursuing it legally isn't worth the trouble and the negative press the department will get. They'll just sweep it under the rug and move on.
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  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    A nice call out weapon...

    He was saving tax payers money.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't believe the M16's were "given" to the PD; they were, like Shilowar's, DRMO rifles that were on loan from the federal government. No crime here, but sloppy records should be grounds for the feds to demand the return of all the rifles from the PD.

    Neal
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  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Accountability for serialized gear rests with supervisors.


    Ask me how I know....
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  • drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ambrose
    Much ado about nothing. He was qualified to have it, he checked it out, nobody knew it was missing, nobody asked him for it back. As soon as he heard it was missing, he checked and returned it. One can only wish that a neighbor borrowing your chain saw or lawn mower would be as responsible. This is a gun forum; we think of guns as tools or recreation equipment. We, here, should know this is no big deal! The media--not so much.


    +1
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    I have to provide an annual audit for all of our DRMO rifles...BTDT. As stated when applying for equipment under the 1033 program, each year DoD personnel show up to audit all gear received from them.

    Under the program's terms this is their required inventory. You don't call them, they call you.

    According to the article, for some reason or another they failed to perform these audits for 13 years. [:0][B)]

    Since the rifle in fact remained in the custody of one of their personnel the receiving agency didn't violate any of the program's terms. I agree it sounds as if that outfit's internal policies involving equipment accounting procedures could use attention, but that's strictly a local procedural issue with no laws violated.

    The article fails to focus attention where it truly belongs. It's pretty clear that DoD repeatedly violated this program's terms.
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  • DocDoc Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think he was keeping it until someone asked for it back. If I were his supervisor we'd talk about procedure on departmental property.
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    Too old to live...too young to die...
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  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    If I were his supervisor we'd talk about procedure on departmental property.How about also discussing it with whoever is responsible for maintaining inventory and issuing out their gear? [;)]
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  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562 ✭
    edited November -1
    So far all we have is a man that checked out a gun, went to war for a while and so far as anyone can prove, neglected his gun safe for a period of time. Unless someone produces evidence of an intent to commit a crime, this thing is a goof.

    Now if he'd sold the gun, and it was recovered at the scene of a crime, I'd want him charged with the crime itself and all bad deeds that came out of it.
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  • milesmiles Member Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The one thing that I question is where the article states,"He has been home several years now"

    How many of us go for years without opening our gun safes and admiring/cleaning our toys. Personally, I would have to be blind in one eye and couldn't see out of the other to over look an M-16 in my safe.

    He told his story ,they bought it so,it's seems to be a done deal. Best just leave it alone and look for other windmills to charge.
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  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doc
    I think he was keeping it until someone asked for it back. If I were his supervisor we'd talk about procedure on departmental property.


    If you were his supervisor, your supervisor would be talking to you about procedure on departmental property. And likely your supervisor's supervisor, to him.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    Accountability for serialized gear rests with supervisors.


    Ask me how I know....
    Okay... How do you know ? [:D]
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  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    Accountability for serialized gear rests with supervisors.


    Ask me how I know....
    Okay... How do you know ? [:D]


    Thank you for asking [;)]
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