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Nazi Submarine Discovered in Lake Ontario
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USA: MYSTERIOUS NAZI SUBMARINE FROM WWII DISCOVERED IN GREAT LAKES
February 18th, 2016 | by Barbara Johnson
USA: Mysterious Nazi submarine from WWII discovered in Great Lakes HISTORY 120
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Niagara Falls| Divers from the U.S coast guard took part this morning, in a delicate wreck recovery operation to bring to the surface a Nazi submarine discovered two weeks ago at the bottom of Lake Ontario.
The U-boat was spotted for the first time by amateur scuba divers in late January and they had contacted the authorities. Archaeologists associated with Niagara University of and master divers from the U.S Coast Guard were mobilized on site to determine what it was, and they soon realized that they were dealing with a German submarine that sank during World War II.
A wreck recovery vessel of the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society was mandated to refloat the ship and bring it back to Niagara Falls, where it must be restored before becoming a museum ship. The delicate recovery operation took nearly 30 hours to complete, but the submarine was finally brought down on the bank with relative ease.
The submarine was identified as the UX-791, a unique experimental German submarine, based on the U-1200 model, and known to have participated in the "Battle of the St. Lawrence". It was reported missing in 1943 and was believed to have been sunk near the Canadian coast.
Professor Mark Carpenter, who leads the team of archaeologists, believes that the U-boat could have traveled up the St-Lawrence River, all the way to the Great Lakes, where it intended to disturb the American economy.
A report from the dated from February 1943 suggests, that the ship could have attacked and destroyed three cargo ships and two fishing vessels, even damaging the USS Sable (IX-81), an aircraft carrier of the U.S. navy that was used for training in the Great Lakes, before finally being sunk by anti-sub grenades launched by a Canadian frigate.
"We have known for a long time that the Nazis had sent some of their U-boats in the St-Lawrence River, but this is the first proof that they actually reached the Great Lakes," Professor Carpenter told reporters. "This could explain the mysterious ship disappearances that took place in the region in 1943, and the reported "Battle of Niagara Falls" which had always been dismissed as a collective hallucination caused by fear."
The restoration of the submarine could take more than two years, but once completed, the museum ship is expected to become one of the major tourist attractions of the region.
February 18th, 2016 | by Barbara Johnson
USA: Mysterious Nazi submarine from WWII discovered in Great Lakes HISTORY 120
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Niagara Falls| Divers from the U.S coast guard took part this morning, in a delicate wreck recovery operation to bring to the surface a Nazi submarine discovered two weeks ago at the bottom of Lake Ontario.
The U-boat was spotted for the first time by amateur scuba divers in late January and they had contacted the authorities. Archaeologists associated with Niagara University of and master divers from the U.S Coast Guard were mobilized on site to determine what it was, and they soon realized that they were dealing with a German submarine that sank during World War II.
A wreck recovery vessel of the Great Lakes Shipwreck Historical Society was mandated to refloat the ship and bring it back to Niagara Falls, where it must be restored before becoming a museum ship. The delicate recovery operation took nearly 30 hours to complete, but the submarine was finally brought down on the bank with relative ease.
The submarine was identified as the UX-791, a unique experimental German submarine, based on the U-1200 model, and known to have participated in the "Battle of the St. Lawrence". It was reported missing in 1943 and was believed to have been sunk near the Canadian coast.
Professor Mark Carpenter, who leads the team of archaeologists, believes that the U-boat could have traveled up the St-Lawrence River, all the way to the Great Lakes, where it intended to disturb the American economy.
A report from the dated from February 1943 suggests, that the ship could have attacked and destroyed three cargo ships and two fishing vessels, even damaging the USS Sable (IX-81), an aircraft carrier of the U.S. navy that was used for training in the Great Lakes, before finally being sunk by anti-sub grenades launched by a Canadian frigate.
"We have known for a long time that the Nazis had sent some of their U-boats in the St-Lawrence River, but this is the first proof that they actually reached the Great Lakes," Professor Carpenter told reporters. "This could explain the mysterious ship disappearances that took place in the region in 1943, and the reported "Battle of Niagara Falls" which had always been dismissed as a collective hallucination caused by fear."
The restoration of the submarine could take more than two years, but once completed, the museum ship is expected to become one of the major tourist attractions of the region.
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1. No direct connection between the Gulf of St Lawrence and Lake Ontario. The sub would have to have navigated through the river canal system. Very unlikely!
2. USS Sable was a mini aircraft carrier based out of Chicago for training purposes. Sub would have to have transited the Welland Canal to ladder up to Lake Erie, then transit to Lake Michigan. I'm not buying.
3. Hull photos are inconsistent with what I'd expect of a WW2 German U Boat.
So... I haven't a clue about the sub itself. The story, though, is richly imaginative methinks.
Well I knew those waterways were connected in some fashion, that is one part of the continent I have never been to, I am just a North Carolina boy.
Now, when I was a kid I read a book named "Paddle to the Sea" where an Indian kid in Minnesota put a little hand carved canoe into a little creek, and it went down the creek, and in to the Mississippi, and all the way to the ocean at the Gulf of Mexico. I am sure that story was true.
Neal
Something smells fishy here...
1. No direct connection between the Gulf of St Lawrence and Lake Ontario. The sub would have to have navigated through the river canal system. Very unlikely!
2. USS Sable was a mini aircraft carrier based out of Chicago for training purposes. Sub would have to have transited the Welland Canal to ladder up to Lake Erie, then transit to Lake Michigan. I'm not buying.
3. Hull photos are inconsistent with what I'd expect of a WW2 German U Boat.
So... I haven't a clue about the sub itself. The story, though, is richly imaginative methinks.
Not to mention 3-4 weeks time from first discovery to having it floating on the shore. I'm thinking not.
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Edit: Note to self - read entire thread before responding.
Brad Steele
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Dammit icdoty, I got played for a fool!
Well I knew those waterways were connected in some fashion, that is one part of the continent I have never been to, I am just a North Carolina boy.
Now, when I was a kid I read a book named "Paddle to the Sea" where an Indian kid in Minnesota put a little hand carved canoe into a little creek, and it went down the creek, and in to the Mississippi, and all the way to the ocean at the Gulf of Mexico. I am sure that story was true.
It's a classic. I believe it, too.
Picture in OP resembles a Walther type XVII which were built end of 44 but is too large.
The early Type Wa 201 experimental (and later Wa 202) of the Walter Boats were U-792 and 793 (Wa202 794-795) but again these were small boats meant for testing not combat to research the Walter hydrogen peroxide propulsion systems
As mentioned if it was a sunk U-Boat it would be a war grave.
Something very wrong here.
Only thing I can think of if a U-Boat it was scuttled by US after testing one of these Walter boats as we did get a couple as did the Brits.
However, these were the later type XVII
The Brits commissioned one as HMS Meteor (x-U-1407)
These did 25Kts submerged and the Brits were designing subs with this power but nuke power made it unnecessary as the hydrogen/peroxide units were very dangerous.
So perhaps this is Type XVII; U-1406 which was our test boat and we did what we did so often when we were done with testing, we used it for bombing, gun fire or other practice which would also explain why it is being raised and not in conflict with war grave rights
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
When sunken warships are discovered they are not molested under international law. They are considered grave sites. Illegal to approach or tamper with them. They get particularly edgy with subs as you know without a doubt there are human remains on board.
Didn't stop them with the CSS Hunley.
http://barentsobserver.com/en/nature/2013/10/sunken-nuclear-sub-allegedly-leaking-radioactivity-17-10