Question for LEOs

ltcdoty

About 6 months ago I got a ticket from a State Trooper for a seat belt violation .
Paid the ticket with a Western Union money order .
Fasr forward to today when I was stopped for a liscense and insurance check .
Found out that my liscense has been suspended for a FTA (failure to appear) .
Apparently the check got lost in the mail .
I have the M/O receipt and checked to see if it had been cashed .
It has not .
The Deputy told me that I am not the first one to have something lost in the mail .
My question is how easy (or hard )is this to straighten out ?

ltcdoty

Ok, this is hypothetical and I think there was a story on it a few weeks back that may have been posted on here(I can't find it now though)

A guy meets a girl and gives her a ride on his bike. While they're riding down the highway, she falls off the bike(DUE TO NO FAULT OF THE DRIVER OF THE BIKE), gets hit by a car and dies. The motorcycle rider turns around and goes back to her, sees that she is dead, and takes off on his bike.

How would this be illegal? He didnt make her fall off the bike and he didn't really know her.

Don't read into the question and imply that he did something. I UNDERSTAND that the police would want him for questioning or what not, but could he be charged AND convicted of anything.

The consensus here is, he could be charged with leaving the scene of an accident. I'm not sure I agree with that though. She just fell off without him doing anything wrong.

Would it be the same if someone jumped/fell out of your AUTOMOBILE?

ltcdoty

When you pull over a vehicle for speeding and discover they have a radar detector, does that influence you in any way?

At first blush it would seem to, but hey, you just caught them speeding, right?

ltcdoty

This evening I was involved in a minor car accident. I was carrying a handgun, and consistent with SC concealed weapon permit law, I notified the state trooper that I was carrying a concealed weapon (a Kel-Tek P32). He took the gun from me but required my assistance in unloading it.

I got the impression that he was overreacting to the fact that I had a gun, so I commented that it's not the people with permits that he should be worried about. He replied that guns made him nervous.

He returned the gun to me after he processed the paperwork from the accident. I don't know what SC standard procedure is, but it seemed to me that he just didn't like the idea that citizens could be armed.

What are other people's experiences with being stopped while carrying concealed? For law enforcement officers, does your agency have a specific policy for dealing with this, or do you have some discretion in the matter? How would you have handled this situation (assuming the person you pulled over is a stranger)?

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"Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness." -- H.G. Wells (The Time Machine)

ltcdoty

I was driving home last night, merging onto a highway, and in front of me are two cars. As the one car tries to pass the other (it's a two lane ramp) the getting-passed car swerves over and cuts the car off. The car then tries to pass again and the same thing happens. The car finally tries to pass again and makes it. I figure the guy swerving is drunk or whatever and I don't want to be near him when he wrecks, so I try to pass him (he's doing 25 on a ramp that normally goes 45). As I pass him he swerves and cuts ME off.I'm quite upset. This guy is a mainiac. I follow him for a few miles and at a stop light I walk up to his window and tell him he's acting like an idiot and is going to kill somebody. He's all nervous and apologetic, but his passenger--as I walk away--calls me a few choice words. I say something back and keep heading back to my car and the passenger hops out and starts challenging me to duke it out.Now, I was pissed but at the same time I know if we start throwing punches in the middle of the road the cops are going to show up and I'm going to get arrested. I've got a concealed carry permit application in the pipeline, and I imagine such an arrest would really foul that up. Am I correct in this? What is the police-approved method for dealing with this kind of a situation?

ltcdoty

Years ago when I was on the job, I carried a .38 special revolver, no bullet proof vests, and wood night stick. No SWAT team , just a bunch of guys called the TAC squad with Ithaca riot guns. When did the SWAT teams turn into an Army infantry squad. This group look like they are returning from patrol in Afghanistan. Call me na?ve, but is all this gear and uniforms necessary?

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ltcdoty

Ok, well I'm looking at maybe starting a career in the law enforcement community. This means I'll have to go through BLET, which the local community college offers. My question is, since one has to be 21 years of age to be a LEO, do I need to wait till I'm 21 to take the classes? If I start next school year and it takes me 2 years to go through the classes, I'll be 21 a month after I finish the classes. Planning on asking somebody at the school tomorrow, but wanted to see what y'all say. Thanks, Colton.

ltcdoty

or anyone else that may know.... why is the bay that the police cars pulls into called a "sally port"?

ltcdoty

First let me preface that I am sure the rules vary from department to department so probably not a hard set answer.

Background: Off duty Cincinnati Police Office used taser on 11 year old shoplifting from grocery store.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/police-officer-used-taser-on-11-year-old-girl-accused-of-stealing-from-kroger

According to the stories, she was arrested and charged with theft and obstructing official business.

The second charge is myl question. What Obstruction of Official Business would she be guilty of?

The LEO was off duty and working a side job if I read the stories correctly. Do LEOs get to perform part time security duties in city/county uniform in many places which would then warrant the obstruction charge?

She was wrong for stealing, just not sure it rose to the level of taser deployment.

llama

The militarization of the police forces around the county is due to "the war on (some) drugs", and of course now "the war on (whoever we consider to be) terrorists"

Leeroy Jenkins

quote:Originally posted by ltcdoty
Years ago when I was on the job, I carried a .38 special revolver, no bullet proof vests, and wood night stick. No SWAT team , just a bunch of guys called the TAC squad with Ithaca riot guns. When did the SWAT teams turn into an Army infantry squad. This group look like they are returning from patrol in Afghanistan. Call me na?ve, but is all this gear and uniforms necessary?

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It started back in the 90's during the Clinton cut-backs with the military. Producers of military hardware, uniforms, etc. went looking to recoup their $$$ losses. They found a new outlet with civilian law enforcement, plus the government helped fund some of the hardware through federal grants. Some of it is necessary.... most is not. My $0.02.

Dyer_Maker

But it looks cool LOL

proapp

Think Ill commit early.













IBTL.

asphalt cowboy

My dad was equiped much as you were up until IIRC 1978-9 when they replaced the S&W 38-44 HD he had been issued in 1953 with a S&W 66.
He also had a riot gun and was allowed to carry his own personal rifle, a Remington 03. No vest, no AR or entry shield.

In thirty years of service he only had two occasions to draw his weapon and neither resulted in a shot being fired.
Though in this instance I believe he wanted to.
http://www.kansashighwaypatrol.org/memory/obrien.html

Mr. Perfect

Those are LEOs in that photo?

46270

My hometown sheriff now has 2 very very beefy armoured personal carrier.
In the air force I was on the wing evaluation team, so I got to drive the APC all the time.
We had a very nice rig, these 2 rigs had to cost a lot.

shilowar

The transition of Tactical Teams to Digital Camo, Military issue colors has seemed to be fairly recent(5-10years). Part of it is to go away from the black ninja look, part of it is the cool factor, and part of it I think is the military influence from returning vets. It also may be dictated by the call out. If you're conducting an operation in a heavily wooded area then camo or ODs make more sense them navy blue or black.

Marc1301

That pic is probably a result of a bad check reported to the State Attorney.

WTH do you expect them to do?[:0][:D]

ETA: That one black dude better have his helmet repainted soon,.....getting close to UN blue IMO.

Alpine

quote:Originally posted by Leeroy Jenkins
quote:Originally posted by ltcdoty
Years ago when I was on the job, I carried a .38 special revolver, no bullet proof vests, and wood night stick. No SWAT team , just a bunch of guys called the TAC squad with Ithaca riot guns. When did the SWAT teams turn into an Army infantry squad. This group look like they are returning from patrol in Afghanistan. Call me na?ve, but is all this gear and uniforms necessary?

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It started back in the 90's during the Clinton cut-backs with the military. Producers of military hardware, uniforms, etc. went looking to recoup their $$$ losses. They found a new outlet with civilian law enforcement, plus the government helped fund some of the hardware through federal grants. Some of it is necessary.... most is not. My $0.02.


Spot on.

During the 1980s the SWAT team went from a call out team to a full time position. They took over the Dive Team and a lot of other special teams.

That was fine with me, I'd recovered enough dead bodies by that time to suit me.

TooBig

Because were paying for it and our tax dollars are being used[|)]

SP45

I agree, been saying the same thing for about 12 years when I first started noticing. Not only do they want to look like the military but act like it as well. The swat team crossed a swolen fast moving river and got washed down stream and banked in poison ivy. Then they were running with a telephone pole, all very relevant to police training. If you said anything to them they got their feelings hurt. Half or more had never been in the military. To the ones that were my comment was if you liked it that well why didn't you stay in. Even their day to day patrol uniform has become more military. My belief is that the public does not want to see their police dressed like an occupational force.

Sooeyman2035

In the early 1970's when I started out in uniform patrol we carried S&W Model 15's .38 Spl. roundnose & 870 Remington 12 Ga. I can remember numerous occasions where myself & one other officer would be dispatched to an armed assault {domestic or other] & suspect would still be in the residence according to witnesses. Silly us, we gave no thought to entering the residence & pulling said perp to the downtown hotel [jail]. We did not ask for SWAT or TAC because we had none. We did not have any different uniform than any of the other 1300 officers in our department. Oh yes, we did have big long wooden nightsticks. I still have it. We had small districts we were assigned to & could recite every bad guy in the district. Wher he lived, who he hung out with, & what he had done in the past. Around 1985 I saw a change in the whole concept of patrol that we had previously experienced. That was when we lost control of the street. New uniforms, weapons, command staff, pencil pushers, female officers, inept male officers & the emergence of SWAT. I was glad to retire.

jimdeere

What happened to "one riot, one Texas Ranger"?[:D]

CoolhandLuke

Swat down here have black outfits, and are as well equipped as any navy seal team, they have hardware to make any red blooded dude drool.

nards444

i have always thought the old dress pants and button up shirt with a bus driver didnt seem to condusive to chasing people, crawling around etc. I have no problem with it. I dont think crime is a lot worse than it was 40 years ago, its actually lower. But I do think the complexity of the crimes have changed. Plus I think because of some of this technology even the uniforms less cops are getting hurt/killed and perps are getting caught more frequently.

CoolhandLuke

quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
What happened to "one riot, one Texas Ranger"?[:D]


Theme old time real Texas Ranger boys are on the endangered species list.[;)]

BGHillbilly

quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
That pic is probably a result of a bad check reported to the State Attorney.

WTH do you expect them to do?[:0][:D]

ETA: That one black dude better have his helmet repainted soon,.....getting close to UN blue IMO.

Uh, he may be a UN dude, would not suprise me.

Bergtreffer

I don't see a police ID badge on any of those guys. Aren't cops supposed to show a badge when confronting anyone? The guys in the photo don't look like cops, they look like they could be Arayan Nation, or Neo-Nazi types.

jimdeere

They're packed too close to be real infantry. One ied would take them all out.

BGHillbilly

quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
They're packed too close to be real infantry. One ied would take them all out.
That trash can looks suspicous don't it.

Gary L

Back when I was in we had a constant battle to get range training time and ammunition to fire.

I am sure there are many larger PDs that have some form of an elite squad that is well equipped and well funded but around these parts where I live the county Sheriff's have a hard enough time keeping patrol officers out on the highways.

I think the big wake up call was when the two bank robbers out in California took the cops to task with AKs and an all out war broke loose. Before that incident most cops had a six shooter and maybe a 870 in the car and they got range training maybe once or twice per year for annual re-qualification only. I was the one doing the training and can say for sure probably 50% of the officers had a tough time just barely qualifying.

NeoBlackdog

quote:Originally posted by Bergtreffer
I don't see a police ID badge on any of those guys. Aren't cops supposed to show a badge when confronting anyone? The guys in the photo don't look like cops, they look like they could be Arayan Nation, or Neo-Nazi types.


Did you see the two black guys?[:D][:D]