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A Glaring Example of Box Thinking
p3skyking
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I had a conversation with a thirty something fellow this morning talking about martial law and suspension of habeas corpus to roll up Antifa thugs.
He would hear none of it and couldn't support using the military to do work the police should be doing.
This went back a forth a couple of times with him adamant about the Constitustion being inviolate.
This was my final comment:
Do you really think the Constitution will allow us to stop the Muslims from taking over the country? We would still be fighting the Indian Nations if they had been accorded the protections and rights of the US Constitution. The Constitution is a wonderful document for a nation to live by. It's also the keys to the kingdom for our enemies.
He posted no more, but the Army WAS used against Americans a whole bunch. This is what kills my soul about the current education system. They don't put themselves into the mindset of when something happened.
Hindsight tells us putting Japanese into camps during the war was extreme and un-Constitutional, but then it wasn't . A sneak attack by people who had mysterious customs and values is not much different than the Muslims today and I'm all for watching them very closely. [;)]
Anyone can see our wonderful document can certainly be a liability when dealing with enemies. Why aren't we teaching people to THINK rather than just regurgitate facts and figures?
THIS is why parents and grandparent HAVE to educate their offspring and not allow strangers total control. Read to them, talk when you take them fishing, give them books for presents. The Republic is in danger of becoming a nation of *, even more than now.
He would hear none of it and couldn't support using the military to do work the police should be doing.
This went back a forth a couple of times with him adamant about the Constitustion being inviolate.
This was my final comment:
Do you really think the Constitution will allow us to stop the Muslims from taking over the country? We would still be fighting the Indian Nations if they had been accorded the protections and rights of the US Constitution. The Constitution is a wonderful document for a nation to live by. It's also the keys to the kingdom for our enemies.
He posted no more, but the Army WAS used against Americans a whole bunch. This is what kills my soul about the current education system. They don't put themselves into the mindset of when something happened.
Hindsight tells us putting Japanese into camps during the war was extreme and un-Constitutional, but then it wasn't . A sneak attack by people who had mysterious customs and values is not much different than the Muslims today and I'm all for watching them very closely. [;)]
Anyone can see our wonderful document can certainly be a liability when dealing with enemies. Why aren't we teaching people to THINK rather than just regurgitate facts and figures?
THIS is why parents and grandparent HAVE to educate their offspring and not allow strangers total control. Read to them, talk when you take them fishing, give them books for presents. The Republic is in danger of becoming a nation of *, even more than now.
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The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Brad Steele
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
I had a conversation with a thirty something fellow this morning ...
THIS is why parents and grandparent HAVE to educate their offspring and not allow strangers total control. Read to them, talk when you take them fishing, give them books for presents. The Republic is in danger of becoming a nation of *, even more than now.
The sad fact is this... Those same "thirty somethings" are now the parents, and their parents (the grand-parents) taught them how to think.
Our way of life is doomed, the leftists are taking over, and those of us who actually know better, are but a few hundred thousand amongst millions. Probably less than 1 percent. That places us two-thirds shy of the original 3 percent that actually made a difference in the beginning of our way of life.
Maybe 1 percent is enough to make a difference, but I doubt it. I guess I'm a pessimist, half empty kind of guy. I'd like to think I'm the proverbial "the damn glass is twice as big as it needs to be" kind of guy. But in this case, we need a whole lot of full glasses to make a meaningful change.
They have a plan for The NWO and all kindred's are included only the ones who fail to heed their authority will pay with their so called freedoms they diligently protect for your well being.
serf
I posted about signing a White House petition and people couldn't wait to tell me what a waste of time it was. Sonofabitches are just too sorry to even make an effort.
It's the same guys that tell you how much trouble you'll get in if you shoot a burglar or why waste your time making or fixing something when you can buy it cheap at the store.
I guess that's why my sympathy level for people's problems is about zero. I meet so few worth a damn.
retroxler58 There is much truth in what you say.
I posted about signing a White House petition and people couldn't wait to tell me what a waste of time it was. Sonofabitches are just too sorry to even make an effort.
It's the same guys that tell you how much trouble you'll get in if you shoot a burglar or why waste your time making or fixing something when you can buy it cheap at the store.
I guess that's why my sympathy level for people's problems is about zero. I meet so few worth a damn.
Agreed p3. It's hard NOT to be a pessimist in today's society.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
Radical Muslims in the US are and will always be a Law Enforcement Issue. The Law Enforcement approach should have been tried following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, but we chose instead to blindly jump into a quagmire that we remain stuck in after almost 16 years.
Virtually all Republicans and Democrats supported this ongoing disaster.
Apparently you refuse to learn from history. Not bighting any ankles, just stating fact.
Brad Steele
So, today we suspend it for P3's pet cause. Tomorrow do we suspend it for P3's enemies?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
And resources regarding Terrorism would certainly fall under a need for Federal intervention or at least assistance
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
Radical Muslims in the US are and will always be a Law Enforcement Issue. The Law Enforcement approach should have been tried following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, but we chose instead to blindly jump into a quagmire that we remain stuck in after almost 16 years.
Virtually all Republicans and Democrats supported this ongoing disaster.
Apparently you refuse to learn from history. Not bighting any ankles, just stating fact.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
Radical Muslims in the US are and will always be a Law Enforcement Issue. The Law Enforcement approach should have been tried following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, but we chose instead to blindly jump into a quagmire that we remain stuck in after almost 16 years.
Virtually all Republicans and Democrats supported this ongoing disaster.
Apparently you refuse to learn from history. Not bighting any ankles, just stating fact.
If I am not mistaken Law enforcement are somewhat hamstringed by the Federal government in regards to ICE policies.
And resources regarding Terrorism would certainly fall under a need for Federal intervention or at least assistance
I don't see where I said anything about negating Federal Involvement. ICE and FBI involvement, as well as other legitimate Federal Law Enforcement entities may be necessary. The discussion was about military involvement when dealing with domestic terrorist groups or terrorist type groups.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
Radical Muslims in the US are and will always be a Law Enforcement Issue. The Law Enforcement approach should have been tried following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, but we chose instead to blindly jump into a quagmire that we remain stuck in after almost 16 years.
Virtually all Republicans and Democrats supported this ongoing disaster.
Apparently you refuse to learn from history. Not bighting any ankles, just stating fact.
If I am not mistaken Law enforcement are somewhat hamstringed by the Federal government in regards to ICE policies.
And resources regarding Terrorism would certainly fall under a need for Federal intervention or at least assistance
I don't see where I said anything about negating Federal Involvement. ICE and FBI involvement, as well as other legitimate Federal Law Enforcement entities may be necessary. The discussion was about military involvement when dealing with domestic terrorist groups or terrorist type groups.
I believe the premise of the OP was martial law and military personnel enforcing a suspension of habeas corpus. That would be considered federal involvement. Keep up
With All the knowledge out there which has proven beyond a doubt Mankind's nature's will never change any condition put upon them by others when in power.They will always be imperfect and manipulative for self interest.
serf
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by mogley98
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
If you would rather bite by ankle than see reality, you should be a Democrat. Maybe you already are.
Radical Muslims in the US are and will always be a Law Enforcement Issue. The Law Enforcement approach should have been tried following the attacks of 11 September, 2001, but we chose instead to blindly jump into a quagmire that we remain stuck in after almost 16 years.
Virtually all Republicans and Democrats supported this ongoing disaster.
Apparently you refuse to learn from history. Not bighting any ankles, just stating fact.
If I am not mistaken Law enforcement are somewhat hamstringed by the Federal government in regards to ICE policies.
And resources regarding Terrorism would certainly fall under a need for Federal intervention or at least assistance
I don't see where I said anything about negating Federal Involvement. ICE and FBI involvement, as well as other legitimate Federal Law Enforcement entities may be necessary. The discussion was about military involvement when dealing with domestic terrorist groups or terrorist type groups.
I believe the premise of the OP was martial law and military personnel enforcing a suspension of habeas corpus. That would be considered federal involvement. Keep up
And so would FBI (the F stands for federal) and ICE (another federal org.). Try to keep up.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I think it boils down to what Ben Franklin said and do not count on The Federal Government being and doing the right thing anymore.Man's government is corrupt and always will be.
With All the knowledge out there which has proven beyond a doubt Mankind's nature's will never change any condition put upon them by others when in power.They will always be imperfect and manipulative for self interest.
serf
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Well said, serf.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
"And so would FBI (the F stands for federal) and ICE (another federal org.). Try to keep up".
Those guys still have to grant Constitutional rights.
You never will get it. I'm not going to bother anymore with you.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I think it boils down to what Ben Franklin said and do not count on The Federal Government being and doing the right thing anymore.Man's government is corrupt and always will be.
With All the knowledge out there which has proven beyond a doubt Mankind's nature's will never change any condition put upon them by others when in power.They will always be imperfect and manipulative for self interest.
serf
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Serf, the Republic didn't end when the Japanese were locked up. The Constitution came back even stronger. We didn't lock up the Muslims yet.
Things were done then and will be done now to maintain the security of a free and democratic nation.
If you knew the past you would know the future. Everything is in the OP.
The militia would be called up to subdue the insurrectionists. Franklin would endorse the action. Ever heard of the Whiskey Rebellion? Look it up.
Everyone wants to suspend portions of the constitution when it serves some purpose they agree with. Thankfully, that's not how it is supposed to work.
So, today we suspend it for P3's pet cause. Tomorrow do we suspend it for P3's enemies?
Well, Fair is Fair. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
Everyone wants to suspend portions of the constitution when it serves some purpose they agree with. Thankfully, that's not how it is supposed to work.
So, today we suspend it for P3's pet cause. Tomorrow do we suspend it for P3's enemies?
Well, Fair is Fair. [;)]
I guess Waco and Ruby Ridge were perfectly acceptable.[:I]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Imperfect, you are really a stupid *.
"And so would FBI (the F stands for federal) and ICE (another federal org.). Try to keep up".
Those guys still have to grant Constitutional rights.
You never will get it. I'm not going to bother anymore with you.
And...the child comes out.
The point Mr. P was making, which seems to have overwhelmed you, is that there are levels of federal involvement short of calling out the military. Somewhere short of a suspension of habeas corpus and the Posse Comitatus Act would be a mobilization of federal law enforcement assets that has to date been untried.
I think you lose your way in your OP. This isn't a matter of people not thinking. It is a case of reacting rather than responding. Not enough people understand the difference.
To listen to peethree you would think that it would be OK with him if our Second Amendment rights were dissolved following the next mass shooting. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that. We either have Constitutionally guaranteed rights or we don't. Can't have it both ways.
You're just thinking inside the box. Outside the box thinking gets us what we want and not what our political adversaries might want. So, it's all rainbows and smiling kittens.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
To listen to peethree you would think that it would be OK with him if our Second Amendment rights were dissolved following the next mass shooting. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that. We either have Constitutionally guaranteed rights or we don't. Can't have it both ways.
For a time, it was illegal to run guns to Injuns. Did you know that? I doubt if you did. Still can't sell firewater on the res. Did you know that? Do you consider that a violation of the Constitution?
Soldiers get guns at eighteen and go to war. They can't go to a bar for a drink. Is that Constitutional?
A lot of people got what I was talking about. You four boys didn't. That's okay. I bet you don't get a lot of stuff.
I believe the premise of the OP was martial law and military personnel enforcing a suspension of habeas corpus. That would be considered federal involvement. Keep up
Quite the inartful dodge, P3nut.
Federal Law Enforcement involvement is significantly different than Military involvement.
You specifically stated Military.
Had you not specifically stated Military, had you not specifically referenced how the 'Army WAS used against Americans a whole bunch' (your emphasis), we would not be having this conversation.
Did you simply make a boo-boo in using the terms 'Military' and 'Army'?
Do you need someone to explain the mission difference between Federal Law Enforcement Agencies and the US Military?
I can help if you need this clarification, but maybe you should just ask your '30 something fellow'. He seems to be much more informed than do you.
Brad Steele
Go take your meds. You're having an episode.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
To listen to peethree you would think that it would be OK with him if our Second Amendment rights were dissolved following the next mass shooting. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that. We either have Constitutionally guaranteed rights or we don't. Can't have it both ways.
For a time, it was illegal to run guns to Injuns. Did you know that? I doubt if you did. Still can't sell firewater on the res. Did you know that? Do you consider that a violation of the Constitution?
Soldiers get guns at eighteen and go to war. They can't go to a bar for a drink. Is that Constitutional?
A lot of people got what I was talking about. You four boys didn't. That's okay. I bet you don't get a lot of stuff.
I don't get whether to use a brush or a roller when painting a business sign on the front of a building. Any ideas?
M *,
Go take your meds. You're having an episode.
Why do we often end up with you making comments like this, P3Nut?
Is it because you are so often wrong?
Is it because you so often cannot support a flawed analysis or statement?
Or is it because you simply can't think outside the box?
Brad Steele
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Can't you put a link to your facts? Surplus air rifles or Grenades and Bazookas. Maybe intercontinental ballistic missiles, titian silos?
Have heard many times in the past that some criminals have better weapons than the average police officer.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Can't you put a link to your facts? Surplus air rifles or Grenades and Bazookas. Maybe intercontinental ballistic missiles, titian silos?
Have heard many times in the past that some criminals have better weapons than the average police officer.
He's probably referring to president Trump's throwing out the American hating POS obomanation's presidential order banning police Dept. Getting military surplus.
Because, obviously,........
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Can't you put a link to your facts? Surplus air rifles or Grenades and Bazookas. Maybe intercontinental ballistic missiles, titian silos?
Have heard many times in the past that some criminals have better weapons than the average police officer.
My apologies. I just assumed that most who would post in a thread like this would keep up with the news.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/28/president-trump-reverses-obama-executive-order-blocking-military-surplus-from-police-purchase/
I picked a link with 'conservative' in the title so as to not be accused of believing CNN, The Washington Post, the NYTimes, CBS or any one of a hundred reports regarding this.
You may be correct, however, that the Berkeley Police Department might just need an APC to thwart a rag-tag band of stick swingers.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Can't you put a link to your facts? Surplus air rifles or Grenades and Bazookas. Maybe intercontinental ballistic missiles, titian silos?
Have heard many times in the past that some criminals have better weapons than the average police officer.
He's probably referring to president Trump's throwing out the American hating POS obomanation's presidential order banning police Dept. Getting military surplus.
Because, obviously,........
Oh please finish the sentence. How was the outcome, as Mr. P pointed out, when Law Enforcement employed APC's at Waco. Review the news clips of Ruby Ridge, and you see M-113s running around at the Four Corners.
A military mind-set kills people, as it should. The mind-set of a Peace Officer must be different, but when you dress them and arm them like the 82nd Airborne Division, it is impossible to think that the results will be the same as when you arm them and dress them like Police Officers.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by diver-rig
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is bad enough having a President who is actively putting surplus military hardware into the hands of our civilian police forces.
The Constitution prohibits the creation of a permanent standing Army, thus the 2 year cap on funding for that Army. The reason for this is obvious given the preceding decades.
Your 30 something fellow has much greater knowledge and insight as to the proper function of the Federal Government vis-?-vis the American Public than does his antagonist.
Can't you put a link to your facts? Surplus air rifles or Grenades and Bazookas. Maybe intercontinental ballistic missiles, titian silos?
Have heard many times in the past that some criminals have better weapons than the average police officer.
He's probably referring to president Trump's throwing out the American hating POS obomanation's presidential order banning police Dept. Getting military surplus.
Because, obviously,........
Oh please finish the sentence. How was the outcome, as Mr. P pointed out, when Law Enforcement employed APC's at Waco. Review the news clips of Ruby Ridge, and you see M-113s running around at the Four Corners.
A military mind-set kills people, as it should. The mind-set of a Peace Officer must be different, but when you dress them and arm them like the 82nd Airborne Division, it is impossible to think that the results will be the same as when you arm them and dress them like Police Officers.
To be fair, they don't even need that. All they need is a helicopter and some Tovex like used on the MOVE people in Philly.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by serf
I think it boils down to what Ben Franklin said and do not count on The Federal Government being and doing the right thing anymore.Man's government is corrupt and always will be.
With All the knowledge out there which has proven beyond a doubt Mankind's nature's will never change any condition put upon them by others when in power.They will always be imperfect and manipulative for self interest.
serf
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Serf, the Republic didn't end when the Japanese were locked up. The Constitution came back even stronger. We didn't lock up the Muslims yet.
Things were done then and will be done now to maintain the security of a free and democratic nation.
If you knew the past you would know the future. Everything is in the OP.
The militia would be called up to subdue the insurrectionists. Franklin would endorse the action. Ever heard of the Whiskey Rebellion? Look it up.
I thought George Washington came out and subdued that rebellion? Well anyway The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms should give us a clue what the government is all about kin'da like The Jolly Roger Captain of a pirate ship!
What do you think about all the laws passed on the Patriot act I&II. I read that Congress passed the bill without it's members reading the legislation before voting?
Is not that not like taxation without Representation?
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2009/03/02/congress-had-no-time-to-read-the-usa-patriot-act/
Commonly known as the PATRIOT Act, the bill contained provisions aimed at expanding the federal government?s ability to gather intelligence, engage in domestic surveillance and secret searches and detain immigrants with little restraint. The provisions in the PATRIOT Act became immediately controversial, as civil liberties groups argued that these provisions gutted constitutional protections provided to citizens for generations.
The bill was brought to the floor of the House of Representatives on October 23, the same day it was introduced. Many Democrats expressed extreme displeasure over the hurried nature of the process. Rep. Bobby Scott said, ?I think it is appropriate to comment on the process by which the bill is coming to us. This is not the bill that was reported and deliberated on in the Committee on the Judiciary. It came to us late on the floor. No one has really had an opportunity to look at the bill to see what is in it since we have been out of our offices.? Rep. John Conyers, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, declared, ?we are now debating at this hour of night, with only two copies of the bill that we are being asked to vote on available to Members on this side of the aisle.? Conyers was later famously pictured in the Michael Moore documentary ?Fahrenheit 9/11? explaining that no lawmaker reads all the bills in Congress. The bill passed on October 24 by a vote of 357-66.
An early start, it seems.
TODAY - MONDAY, AUGUST 28, 2017
The Moon today is in a Waxing Crescent Phase. A Waxing Crescent is the first Phase after the New Moon and is a great time to see the features of the moon's surface. During this phase the Moon can be seen in the wester sky after the sun dips below the horizon at sunset. The moon is close to the sun in the sky and mostly dark except for the right edge of the moon which becomes brighter as the days get closer to the next phase which is a First Quarter with a 50% illumination.
No need to keep us abreast of your monthly cycle.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
To listen to peethree you would think that it would be OK with him if our Second Amendment rights were dissolved following the next mass shooting. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and all that. We either have Constitutionally guaranteed rights or we don't. Can't have it both ways.
For a time, it was illegal to run guns to Injuns. Did you know that? I doubt if you did. Still can't sell firewater on the res. Did you know that? Do you consider that a violation of the Constitution?
Soldiers get guns at eighteen and go to war. They can't go to a bar for a drink. Is that Constitutional?
A lot of people got what I was talking about. You four boys didn't. That's okay. I bet you don't get a lot of stuff.
Actually, you can sell firewater on the res. The one just west of me sells mighty fine firewater in their casino.